Why the reboot happened

[ToCool74]

Have you guys ever thought that if this DmC fails Capcom might just let go of the series all together? That they might just put the franchise on the shelf forever and focus on something else? That is quite a plausible outcome as well.

Yea I have thought of that.

But its pretty unlikely.

DMC is a well established series and it really was not doing to bad in the sales and popularity category (hence the reason why I still think the reboot was not necessary in the first place).

So I highly doubt that if this game where to fail Capcom would just get rid of the series. This whole thing most likely started out of lazyness on Capcom's part for not wanting to address the plot holes and unexplained storyline elements. So instead they just decided to hit the reboot button and see how this all plays out. If this game where to fail my bet would be on Capcom finally getting off their asses and deciding to address those issues in order to keep cashing in on the DMC money train.

After all, like I said the series was not doing all that bad in the first place. All it would really take is for Capcom to put some effort into it and start working their asses off to please the fans. After all Capcom is a business and they know the popularity DMC holds. It would be a horrible business move to put such a established series on the shelf because a reboot (which already had a bad initial reception) failed to succeed.

 

[CoolDemon]

@CoolDemon Games with no story and great gameplay that are great games:
Most any mario game, Super Smash Bros, any great sports game, Unreal Tournament/Championship, Counterstrike, Devil May Cry (JUST KIDDING DON'T HURT ME ), any fighting game a la Soul Calibur/Tekken/Street Fighter etc., and Ninja Gaiden (OK there's a story in there somewhere, but I'd bet a date with Ramona Flowers that 90% of players don't know/don't care).

Alright DMC fanbase: listen and listen good. Remember the Star Trek movie that JJ Abrams made a few years ago? The one that used a parallel universe to allow a no-limits reimagining of Star Trek as a series?
I don't remember any trekkies getting up in arms because it wasn't faithful to the cannon and those guys have a real reputation for that sort of thing. Everyone I knew, Star Trek fan or no, watched it and enjoyed it for what it was. If I were you all I would consider that a benchmark for maturity.
We're talking trekkies here. Given their reputation it's not a very lofty goal.

Honestly I stopped reading the DMC sections because the constant squabbling over it was giving me the mother of all migraines. Glad to pop in and see people talking about it with a more open mind. It's EXTREMELY refreshing.

Everyone in this thread has earned a candy bar and a hug from yours truly.

@ Games with no story: I didn't mean to say that pure gameplay games are not fun/great. Example Mario don't need a story as you said and it's amazingly fun game. DMC 4 is awesome to me because the Gameplay is IMPRESSIVE. But when i take a closer look at DMC 2 and 4, the stories suck. DMC was supposed to have a good story. Great gameplay games like Tekken, Mario and DMC becomes even better with a good story. And DMC 1 made the foundation for more story for DMC series. But since Hideki is the creator and i guess DMC 2 and 4 story sucked because he wasn't involved. DMC 3 was cool because it introduced VErgil before he was controlled by Mundus.

I don't support DmC, but i am glad and hope that DmC supporters and non-supporters can talk about DmC in a mature way.

Oh and i want a some chicken instead of a candy bar and hug

After all, like I said the series was not doing all that bad in the first place. All it would really take is for Capcom to put some effort into it and start working their asses off to please the fans. After all Capcom is a business and they know the popularity DMC holds. It would be a horrible business move to put such a established series on the shelf because a reboot (which already had a bad initial reception) failed to succeed.

But if they went back to original DMC it would be hypocritical. And not to mention unfair to DmC fans.

 

[ToCool74]

But if they went back to original DMC it would be hypocritical. And not to mention unfair to DmC fans.

Do you honestly think Capcom would give a crap about being "hypocritical" and "unfair"?

Need I remind you of MM Legends 3?

Capcom is a business, a greedy one at that.

They will do whatever it takes to make money simple as that.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

@ Games with no story: I didn't mean to say that pure gameplay games are not fun/great. Example Mario don't need a story as you said and it's amazingly fun game. DMC 4 is awesome to me because the Gameplay is IMPRESSIVE. But when i take a closer look at DMC 2 and 4, the stories suck. DMC was supposed to have a good story. Great gameplay games like Tekken, Mario and DMC becomes even better with a good story. And DMC 1 made the foundation for more story for DMC series. But since Hideki is the creator and i guess DMC 2 and 4 story sucked because he wasn't involved. DMC 3 was cool because it introduced VErgil before he was controlled by Mundus.

I don't support DmC, but i am glad and hope that DmC supporters and non-supporters can talk about DmC in a mature way.

Glad you took the time to clarify. Indeed Games have become legendary on the strength for both gameplay and story.

Mass Effect cutting out the story and relying on gameplay would be as big of a loss as Ninja Gaiden cutting out the good gameplay and trying to stand on the power of the story. Games can be great in either direction, it just depends on your personal preferences as a gamer. Most of the religious Madden players I know wouldn't be caught dead pre-ordering Skyrim. lol

Oh and i want a some chicken instead of a candy bar and hug

No. Chicken is mine. Chicken-flavored candy bar is the best I can do. The hug is included, naturally.

 

[CoolDemon]

As Gamers we should send message to companies like Capcom. If they greedy we should take a stance on it and not give up.

Tekken had background story to many characters. I liked Jins. But Tekken became to much for me after Tekken 3. I felt the game was blown out of proportion. I think in Tekken 6 there is so much story that i just stopped trying to watch it.

There is gamers who like gameplay and gamers who like story. Then there is games that have great gameplay and good story that delivers to both gamers.

Also games can be unique in ways that makes the more interesting. Example Blood Omen 2 has the character Kain whos a cool character. And the person voicing him makes an amazing job.

P.S Am i the only one who LOOOOOVED the text kinda feedback that DMC 1 had that was same as Resident evil. Example you looked at a object and it said "A gem with a heart shape". I find that way of presenting stuff made DMC 1 and Resident evil more "scary" and "mystical".

I think the "quietness" of DMC 1 with text feedback helped to make DMC 1 battles more heartbeating. For 2 minutes it was quiet as possible, then comes heartbeating music and scary monsters.

 

[ToCool74]

As Gamers we should send message to companies like Capcom. If they greedy we should take a stance on it and not give up.

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Lol, do you honestly think that would help?

Its not a matter of "giving up", its a matter of knowing that there is no way your going to change the policies of Capcom.

I know for a fact that capcom received MANY complaints from the fans after MM Legends 3 was canceled.

And you know what they did?

NOTHING!

One of the guys at Capcom even had the balls to blame the game being canceled on the fans lol.

 

[Meg]

Lol, do you honestly think that would help?

Its not a matter of "giving up", its a matter of knowing that there is no way your going to change the policies of Capcom.

I know for a fact that capcom received MANY complaints from the fans after MM Legends 3 was canceled.

And you know what they did?

NOTHING!

One of the guys at Capcom even had the balls to blame the game being canceled on the fans lol.

If fans want Capcom to change then they have to hit them where it hurts and not buy their products. Capcom doesn't care if their fans are mad so long as they keep buying their games, but if people were to stop supporting them then Capcom would have no choice but to change or go out of business.

Its not that hard.

 

[ToCool74]

but if people were to stop supporting them then Capcom would have no choice but to change or go out of business.

Its not that hard.

Easier said than done lol.

Even at the moment they are gaining "new" fans who like this reboot not to mention older fans who also like it.

Someone is always going to buy it even if it is not the hardcore naysayers.

That has always been Capcom's style.

Alienate the "older hardcore" fanbase in favor for a bigger newer fanbase.

It happened when they decided to go from survival horror with Resident Evil to a more shoot em up action style with the Resident Evil games.

Lately they have slowly tried to move back to survival horror with Resident Evil Revelations, but the game being only on a handheld kinda sucks and ruins it IMO.

And the consoles will be once again getting a Resident Evil game that focuses more on action and shooting than horror and puzzle solving (2 things Resident Evil has always been known for).

 

[CoolDemon]

Easier said than done lol.

Even at the moment they are gaining "new" fans who like this reboot not to mention older fans who also like it.

Someone is always going to buy it even if it is not the hardcore naysayers.

That has always been Capcom's style.

Alienate the "older hardcore" fanbase in favor for a bigger newer fanbase.

It happened when they decided to go from survival horror with Resident Evil to a more shoot em up action style with the Resident Evil games.

Lately they have slowly tried to move back to survival horror with Resident Evil Revelations, but the game being only on a handheld kinda sucks and ruins it IMO.

And the consoles will be once again getting a Resident Evil game that focuses more on action and shooting than horror and puzzle solving (2 things Resident Evil has always been known for).

As i said and Meg also said we should not buy their products. It´s not hard. When a game company becomes so greedy that they think they can do this and that without consequences then it´s bad future for us gamers.

Capcom ain´t only game developers/producers. There is TONS of games in world.

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

You as a consumer send a message to companies like Capcom by not buying their product. If they make a game the fans don't like, they will hold meetings and take steps to avoid it from happening again. It's a way that the business can keep making money on it's popular titles while giving you (the consumers) what you want.

As Gamers we should send message to companies like Capcom. If they greedy we should take a stance on it and not give up.

Tekken had background story to many characters. I liked Jins. But Tekken became to much for me after Tekken 3. I felt the game was blown out of proportion. I think in Tekken 6 there is so much story that i just stopped trying to watch it.

It depends how you define story in a game. Yes Tekken even had a movie made about it but personally I don't consider Tekken (the game) to have a storyline. Sure they can have some background info on the characters and that sort of thing but it has nothing to do with who fights who or who wins. Characters who are supposed to be allies/good guys end up fighting eachother and the story explanation is because good guy A spilled his beer on good guy B's new jacket (looking at you Johnny Cash from Mortal Kombat). Whenever they try to add a storyline that explains the ridiculous number of encounters and fights to the death it just winds up being ridiculous.

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I know there are a lot of fans of the DMC storyline but personally I just find it arbitrary to a game where you run to point B and rain hell down on whatever creatures are between you and it. You could cut out the story and it wouldn't affect much of anything. You would lose what brought the main character there, his/her personal background, and the mission in a story context, but to me the mission is to kill the big bad final boss. In this genre all that really concerns me is how well he can swing his sword and how much blood comes out when he does. Like I said, that's just me. There are plenty of people here who love the DMC storyline to death and would feel robbed if it were cut out.

 

[CoolDemon]

@ Cheez
I completely agree with you on all that you said. To clarify the background story of each character in Tekken makes the game a bit better, but yes i agree there is no storyline. But it´s a fight game and those games don+t have much story. Just background of each characters.

That´s why i stopped following the story of the Tekken game with Lars in it briefly. Lars was also tied to Jins family and i thought "For real?". But you remember Tekken 3? When you played as one character and at end after defeating the final boss cutscenes of that character came. That was nice.

And just to point out i really understand you when you say you prefer gameplay most.

ONE OF THE MOST EPIC INTRO ive ever seen. I love it:

Kazuya - one bad ass character.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

^ Depends on how it is portrayed as well. In DMC1, there were countless libraries, statues, etc. in which you could talk too and find out what they are and also Dante's opinion about them. In mission two, you could even find stuff about the end of the game and stuffXD

These little points, won't stop ppl like you who just want to hack and smash through the mission, nor people who want to enjoy the whole game by playing at their own pace and trying for the story etc. Also most of the 'actual' story are the cut-scenes. I think we all love a cut-scene before and one after the mission. These cut-scenes could be worthless, just cool, with story, or with all. DMC3 proved that

 

[CoolDemon]

^ Depends on how it is portrayed as well. In DMC1, there were countless libraries, statues, etc. in which you could talk too and find out what they are and also Dante's opinion about them. In mission two, you could even find stuff about the end of the game and stuffXD

These little points, won't stop ppl like you who just want to hack and smash through the mission, nor people who want to enjoy the whole game by playing at their own pace and trying for the story etc. Also most of the 'actual' story are the cut-scenes. I think we all love a cut-scene before and one after the mission. These cut-scenes could be worthless, just cool, with story, or with all. DMC3 proved that

The cutscenes gave us a sense of story. I don´t know how Hideki Kamiya thinks, but to me it seems he wanted to tell the story of Sparda family through Dante. But at same time making the gameplay great. And one can do as much as knowledge and technology allows you to at that time.

Wanted also share this with you guys :

1:20 = My Tekken life in a nut shell.

i swear i have tried to get a free Playstation console on a site like Ebay thats for my country. I saw "Free ps1" and "Free gamecube", but people call the person giving away so fast. I want a playstation 1 console so so badly. Also Nintendo 64 for Legend of Zelda. So i try to be on guard.

Will rock playing Tekken 3 again with Paul. I owned big time with him hahah

 

[Asmodaius]

Back in the old Tekken days, every character had a cool background story. Now it is only the main characters who get to be part of the main storyline while the rest get goofball stories. Great characters such as Marshall Law, Paul Phoenix, Hwoarang, Steve Fox... They have no reason to be in a Tekken tournament other than "for the money" which I find rather sad. Even Nina Williams, my favourite character, has gotten some sloppy stories in the past few games. Now it is all about Jin, Kazuya and Heihachi... and that's about it.

Super Mario has a story, but since the game is supposed to appeal to the younger player base, it is rather simple as "save the princess from the evil big Bowser". Street Fighter actually has a very deep story, but many gamers choose to ignore it because it is a fighting game. The same has happened with Soul Calibur. In fact, there are enough story in those games to make a whole RPG out of them on par with the Final Fantasy series. I dare even say that there are more and better stories than the Devil May Cry series...

As for not buying Capcom games because Capcom is being greedy... well, as I have stated many times over, I don't care much about the company and the developers, just the games. So if they make a game I like, I will most probably buy it. So you guys are on your own with this cause of yours.

 

[V's patron]

I think being able to accept the reboot wiping out prviuos canon depends on your level of love for said previous canon. for me, I got in the series with 3 and loved it for the story and wanted to love everything. What I got was crap ie the anime and the Dante portions of 4 which made me hate him so it's easy for to accept the reboot and hope that I could get a fresh start with the character.

but that's only me and I would have accepted dmc5 if it gave me a good story and made me care about Dante again. Plus there is the potential that the reboot could be crap and I don't agree with every decision it has. dante's look was not necessary to be changed as their were bigger problems to address.

 

[Asmodaius]

I think being able to accept the reboot wiping out prviuos canon depends on your level of love for said previous canon. for me, I got in the series with 3 and loved it for the story and wanted to love everything. What I got was crap ie the anime and the Dante portions of 4 which made me hate him so it's easy for to accept the reboot and hope that I could get a fresh start with the character.

but that's only me and I would have accepted dmc5 if it gave me a good story and made me care about Dante again. Plus there is the potential that the reboot could be crap and I don't agree with every decision it has. dante's look was not necessary to be changed as their were bigger problems to address.

Alot of things weren't necessary, but it is done. Want to blame someone for Dante's change, blame it on Capcom. But either way, he looks different in the new DmC and there's nothing we can do about it. If people can look past the looks then they might actually enjoy the game, however, as it has been shown time and time again, people like to focus on the things they can bash and hate about.

 

[wallenb]

Yea! blame capcom. I honestly dont find it to hard to believe dante had dark hair when he was younger, and gradually it turned white. His hair was so cool and recognizable when i first saw it. And its nice to see they took an extra step to explain how he got the hair. Everything NT has done has been to take whats been for granted in dmc and explore it. From his hair, to his wierd changing sword, to the demon world and possibly other aspects that havent been revealed yet.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

At any case, he's supposedly a whole new Dante in a whole new different DMC-world, so he's bound to be different in shape/character etc. Even his parents are not the same if he really is half-angel as well as half devil

 

[Asmodaius]

At any case, he's supposedly a whole new Dante in a whole new different DMC-world, so he's bound to be different in shape/character etc. Even his parents are not the same if he really is half-angel as well as half devil

Well, it's not so far off to think Eva might be an angel and Sparda still being the demon father. It's a cute thought to think Eva became an angel after her death in the original series... I know, I am pulling at straws here, but it's just a thought.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

They way you put Angels actually make me thought a bit differently about their part in the series. You may be right.

Somehow I kinda thought that Angels might play a big role and are actually around the story/even gameplay. Not so far-fetched to think that instead of a war between devils & humans like in the original DMC, might be replaced by a war between angels & devils - Bayonetta style. With Dante being sought by both sides to be their champion.

I went a bit to far, but this is something that would appeal to me. Of course I also may be absolutely wrong