wallenb
Humanoid Typhoon
i dont think its too far fetched to think Eva became an Angel.
Why the reboot happened
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Kammosjuttu
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What if Miss Hood is an angel and can interact with Dante while he is in Limbo because of that? xD
lorddemolatron
I think im sort of dimensional traveller lol
Wow.Never tought on that theory, that Eva could be an angel 0.0
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
Hideki Kamiya or person behind DMC 1 is THE ONLY one who can confirm if Eva is an angel or not. A theory is "What if ... is true". But just because Ninja theory makes DmC and says "Eva is a angel" does it make the theory true? No. The only one who can answer if the theory is true or not is the SOURCE of the story of DMC 1.
Considering DMC inspiration is Dante´s inferno book, then Eva may be reference to Eve as in Adam and Eve.
Considering DMC inspiration is Dante´s inferno book, then Eva may be reference to Eve as in Adam and Eve.
Kammosjuttu
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Everyone is speculating if Eva is an angel in DmC, because that can happen.
In DMC Hideki Kamiya made Eva a human, but that's a whole other thing.
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
Ah your talking about Eva in a DmC context? Then yeah i think she is an angel then.Everyone is speculating if Eva is an angel in DmC, because that can happen.
In DMC Hideki Kamiya made Eva a human, but that's a whole other thing.
If Eva appeard in DmC as an angel, then she IS an angel in THIS game. What she became after her death in the original series will remain unknown though.
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
You won´t see me protesting against that
V's patron
be loyal to what matters
technically he did make eva a witch in bayonetta
Kammosjuttu
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How so? And this question's coming from someone who played Bayonetta... hmm.
You can read about it here:
http://bayonetta.wikia.com/wiki/Accessories
Bracelet of Time
Description: Eva, a truly extraordinary witch, entered into contract with a legendary dark knight, and then faced the amassed armies of Inferno. These bracelets were made by her hand, and those wearing them are said to become true masters of Witch Time at their very will.
Pale Rider
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First, Prequel/Reboot confusion, then --> "We've got our plans and we are not changing it" --> "DmC sceptics secretly want to like it" --> "I don't care" --> Parallel universe thing --> They want feedback.
I wonder what's on NT's mind ?!
I wonder what's on NT's mind ?!
berto
I Saw the Devil
I think people missunderstand this alot. It's no diferent to how most Zelda game have no relation to one another exept for the characters and setting.
Once a video game's development is set it's pretty rare for the production to change anything. The original DMC was delayed repetedly because Kamiya made so many changes in between the production, this is the only time I've heard of this happening. When you develop a game everything that will go to it is usually set in stone before pencil touches paper, that includes level design, gameplay, and story. The artistic design might change depending on what the director is looking for but that's mostly cosmetic applications.
The game is a seperate animal altogether and they've just been trying to say that in every possible way they can but it's provably because they said in every possible way they can that there is so much confusion. This Dante isn't the same Dante as the one we know, just like Dante from Dante's Inferno, The only diference been that this Dante is meant to be a re encarnation of old red but made to look 'cool.'
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
It´s true that DmC Dante is different to DMC Dante. But in beginning when they called DmC a reboot, a rebirth, a origin etc they compared DmC Dante to DMC Dante. For example Tameem Antoniades said "DmC Dante is more of a street brawler".
Tameem "Dante 12 years ago isn´t cool no more"
Tameem "If he goes into a bar in Tokyou he would get laughed out"
Tameem "If you notice there is a white patch in his hair".
So all this comparison of DmC Dante to DMC Dante and finally they grow some balls to say that DmC Dante is not the same Dante. But if DmC Dante is not the same Dante then it shouldn´t matter what original DMC fans have to say.
White hair shouldn´t matter (They made devil trigger become white hair for raging fans)
Red jacket shouldn´t matter (They made jacket red as can be with devil trigger too).
So again if DmC Dante is not DMC Dante then why compare the two? Capcom already ****ed over DMC fans by releasing DmC, so why even bother to listen to DMC fans such as me and change hair to white and jacket to red? Personally i think DmC Dante with white hair looks like a **** lol.
What i think and i probably am right is that they intended to make fans accept DmC Dante as DMC Dante. But they realized fans wouldn´t accept that. So they finally gave up and said "It´s a parallel universe" so it´s a different dante and different world.
As for Legend of Zelda despite different games the character "Link" kept the same things that defined him. Blond hair, green hat, green clothes, sword and shield. I don´t know about the no speech part though. And according to DMC logic Dante was born with white hair because his father´s human form had human white hair. In Episode 8 in DMC anime you can even see DMC Dante being called "Tony Redgrave" (possible a alias) and a picture of DMC Dante + anime character as kid where Dante CLEARLY has white hair.
Like i said if DmC Dante was never supposed to be DMC Dante then Capcom could pick whatever they wanted from DMC Dante since they are using DMC Dante as template for DmC Dante. They could for example say "Oh, we will not take teh white hair par of DMC Dante, well make our Dante black hair and thats it". But no they wanted DMC fans to think that DmC Dante was the same Dante that they loved. Advertise DmC as DMC, get more marketing.
Capcom was not honest with players. But i am not surprised - afterall they made DmC for money.
Tameem "Dante 12 years ago isn´t cool no more"
Tameem "If he goes into a bar in Tokyou he would get laughed out"
Tameem "If you notice there is a white patch in his hair".
So all this comparison of DmC Dante to DMC Dante and finally they grow some balls to say that DmC Dante is not the same Dante. But if DmC Dante is not the same Dante then it shouldn´t matter what original DMC fans have to say.
White hair shouldn´t matter (They made devil trigger become white hair for raging fans)
Red jacket shouldn´t matter (They made jacket red as can be with devil trigger too).
So again if DmC Dante is not DMC Dante then why compare the two? Capcom already ****ed over DMC fans by releasing DmC, so why even bother to listen to DMC fans such as me and change hair to white and jacket to red? Personally i think DmC Dante with white hair looks like a **** lol.
What i think and i probably am right is that they intended to make fans accept DmC Dante as DMC Dante. But they realized fans wouldn´t accept that. So they finally gave up and said "It´s a parallel universe" so it´s a different dante and different world.
As for Legend of Zelda despite different games the character "Link" kept the same things that defined him. Blond hair, green hat, green clothes, sword and shield. I don´t know about the no speech part though. And according to DMC logic Dante was born with white hair because his father´s human form had human white hair. In Episode 8 in DMC anime you can even see DMC Dante being called "Tony Redgrave" (possible a alias) and a picture of DMC Dante + anime character as kid where Dante CLEARLY has white hair.
Like i said if DmC Dante was never supposed to be DMC Dante then Capcom could pick whatever they wanted from DMC Dante since they are using DMC Dante as template for DmC Dante. They could for example say "Oh, we will not take teh white hair par of DMC Dante, well make our Dante black hair and thats it". But no they wanted DMC fans to think that DmC Dante was the same Dante that they loved. Advertise DmC as DMC, get more marketing.
Capcom was not honest with players. But i am not surprised - afterall they made DmC for money.
CoolDemon, this was exactly what the mod 'Tony_Redgrave' mentioned after closing the Screamo thread...
You have already mentioned all of this several times now. We get it! It is time to move on...
Anyways, on topic. I don't think Capcom/Ninja Theory exactly knows what DmC is compared to the original series, hence the confusion on what to call it. Is it a reboot? An alternate universe? A different take on DMC? Or maybe all of them?
I see it like this... It IS the same Dante, however, it is his story retold through other glasses. Like a legend or mythos retold throughout different parts of the world. E.g. let's take Zeus as an example. He is the king of all the gods of Olympus in ancient Greek mythology. In Norse mythology, the king of all the gods is called Odin and his realm is called Asgard. After much research, experts have come to the conclusion that they are basically the same god, but told by different nations with their different takes on it, and that the stories are based from the same origin.
It's the same with Dante. No, the world is not exactly like we know it from the original series, and no, Dante doesn't look like the original Dante, and he even has another origin story... But they are, none the less, based on the same character, the same mythos, just told differently by different people. It is a new interpretation of Devil May Cry and Dante's adventures.
And THAT is why the two Dantes are compared like they are. Because basically, they are the same character.
I know, it's a twisted way of seeing it and can be hard to understand, especially if you choose not to believe it, but that's how I see it anyways.
You have already mentioned all of this several times now. We get it! It is time to move on...
Anyways, on topic. I don't think Capcom/Ninja Theory exactly knows what DmC is compared to the original series, hence the confusion on what to call it. Is it a reboot? An alternate universe? A different take on DMC? Or maybe all of them?
I see it like this... It IS the same Dante, however, it is his story retold through other glasses. Like a legend or mythos retold throughout different parts of the world. E.g. let's take Zeus as an example. He is the king of all the gods of Olympus in ancient Greek mythology. In Norse mythology, the king of all the gods is called Odin and his realm is called Asgard. After much research, experts have come to the conclusion that they are basically the same god, but told by different nations with their different takes on it, and that the stories are based from the same origin.
It's the same with Dante. No, the world is not exactly like we know it from the original series, and no, Dante doesn't look like the original Dante, and he even has another origin story... But they are, none the less, based on the same character, the same mythos, just told differently by different people. It is a new interpretation of Devil May Cry and Dante's adventures.
And THAT is why the two Dantes are compared like they are. Because basically, they are the same character.
I know, it's a twisted way of seeing it and can be hard to understand, especially if you choose not to believe it, but that's how I see it anyways.
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
Now that Capcom has publically said "It´s a parallel universe" it´s not supposed to be the same Dante or THE Dante. But they used DMC Dante to get attention for DmC as i have pointed out. If it´s not the same Dante and just another Dante that´s using DMC Dante as template then why did Capcom make DmC Dante receive white hair and red jacket with Devil trigger? This change happened after fan rage over white hair.
And Batman is a alias. You can´t say that the two man behind Batman alias is the same person. For example Berto:
Let´s say my name is John DC
And your name Berto is Frank Belfast
That´s our "identies". You Frank are my side kick like Batman and Robin. I am Batman and you can be Robin.
But one day i die, and you take over the alias "Batman". Despite us both becoming Batman, we both are two different persons. My name is John DC and yours Frank Belfast.
Batman is just a alias. Dante isn´t a alias - Tony Redgrave is.
Well, if this DmC is indeed a parallel universe, then it would be best to compare it with another media which is using parallel/alternate universes alot - comicbooks!
And let's take Marvel as an example, as it is my favourite comicbook company. ^^
Do you know Kurt Wagner, aka Nightcrawler? He is usually a blue skinned man with demonic traits, such as animal-like legs, a long pointy tail, yellow glowing eyes... stuff like that. However, in an alternate universe of the Marvel world, he is female and goes by another name and even has another origin... But she is basically the same character as the original one, but changed to fit this new world.
Do you understand my point, or does this sound like utter gibberish to you? XD
And let's take Marvel as an example, as it is my favourite comicbook company. ^^
Do you know Kurt Wagner, aka Nightcrawler? He is usually a blue skinned man with demonic traits, such as animal-like legs, a long pointy tail, yellow glowing eyes... stuff like that. However, in an alternate universe of the Marvel world, he is female and goes by another name and even has another origin... But she is basically the same character as the original one, but changed to fit this new world.
Do you understand my point, or does this sound like utter gibberish to you? XD
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