Vergil - Portrait of a Warrior

[Viper]

@Veloran
In the Deadly Fortune novel he literally tells Sanctus he wants to surpass Sparda.
Quote from the book: "I don't mind that you pray to Sparda as a god, but do think clearly of this. One day I will surpass that god, and when that time comes, who will you worship? The one that was once god or the son who exceeded him."
Novel's canon status is questionable, but at least we can say they had something like this in mind when making Vergil.

 

[Veloran]

@Veloran
In the Deadly Fortune novel he literally tells Sanctus he wants to surpass Sparda.
Quote from the book: "I don't mind that you pray to Sparda as a god, but do think clearly of this. One day I will surpass that god, and when that time comes, who will you worship? The one that was once god or the son who exceeded him."
Novel's canon status is questionable, but at least we can say they had something like this in mind when making Vergil.

Well, there you go.

There should really be a full translation of that some day. Even if it's not fully canon, it'd be nice.

 

[Gel]

If V had plans to replace his father in every way possible, it's not too farfetched to think V had plans to have children, since his father had wife and kids.Children as his own legacy for the future.

 

[WolfOD64]

Uh sorry but why you quoted me? I didn't accuse you of what you've just addressed in this post. That was just a friendly joke of mine, really.

Oh, I was just responding your joke. No harm meant.

In 3 itself, it's mainly suggested through Vergil's actions. He kills every Demon he comes across, tries to take down Mundus, that kind of thing. In the manga, he says he'll put Dante out of business by unleashing the Demon world and showing everyone what he's capable of.

You could interpret that alone to mean Vergil wishes to destroy the Human world and rule the Demons, but combined with everything else we know about his character it wouldn't add up. As noted before he feels guilty about not being able to protect his mother as a child, has quite a bit of distain for Demons (Killing them constantly throughout his life), and was utterly obsessed with the legend of his father Sparda. Put it all together, and you're left with the idea that Vergil wanted to become the next Sparda - Maybe even better, if he really did intent to wipe out all Devils - by inheriting his power and "saving" the world from the Demons. Other Vergil's plan was more or less the same exact thing too, just replace the mother guilt and Sparda idolation as motivators with an inferiority complex and overwhelming desire for control to compensate.

Hmm...now that IS interesting.
I wish a lot of this was just conveyed through dialogue. Given the copious amounts of dialogue given to characters like Arkham and Jester, it would've made more narrative sense to explain Vergil's motives a little more.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Actually, it's the opposite.

Uhm...the DMC1 novel had direct support and involvement from Kamiya when it was being written. So yeah, it actually is the closest to Kamiya's vision of Vergil. It says so right in the book >.>

 

[Veloran]

Uhm...the DMC1 novel had direct support and involvement from Kamiya when it was being written. So yeah, it actually is the closest to Kamiya's vision of Vergil. It says so right in the book >.>

And yet Goikeda took Gilver in his own direction that completely contradicts how Nelo Angelo is presented in DMC1. Gilver seemed to willingly serve Mundus and more or less knew who he was (Hence the bandages in the first place), while Nelo Angelo was a slave and spazzed out every time he got a hint of his past life.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Gilver was also seemingly mortally wounded at the end of the novel, and Nelo Angelo himself is really not all there. It's less a contradiction on Goikeda's part and more that something must have certainly happened to him after he escaped in the novel and before he showed up on Mallet Island. Gilver became like, mentally broken by his near defeat by Dante in the novel.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

Gilver was also seemingly mortally wounded at the end of the novel, and Nelo Angelo himself is really not all there. It's less a contradiction on Goikeda's part and more that something must have certainly happened to him after he escaped in the novel and before he showed up on Mallet Island. Gilver became like, mentally broken by his near defeat by Dante in the novel.

After Dante shot him up, Gilver became unresponsive.

Dante slid toward Gilver with great effort. But the demon’s body began dissipating

into the chill of the cellar. The bar seemed to transform along with it, slowly and almost

imperceptibly slipping free from the demon world’s grip, returning to its normal state.

“Wait! Gilver! Who are you?” Gilver’s face remained twisted by hatred even as it evaporated, molecule by molecule.

“Gilver!” he cried deserately.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Thanks. I knew Gilver didn't do too well in the end, but my copy of the novel is back home >.< Certainly seems like in the end there was little left of Gilver, and what was left was stuck inside Nelo Angelo's armor.

 

[Veloran]

Thanks. I knew Gilver didn't do too well in the end, but my copy of the novel is back home >.< Certainly seems like in the end there was little left of Gilver, and what was left was stuck inside Nelo Angelo's armor.

I'm not certain that really fits as far as reasoning though. Gilver was already encased in Nelo Angelo-type armor, all Dante did was blow it apart and send him back to the Demon world.

It also wouldn't work in terms of why he turned from a scumbag into being more honorable as Nelo Angelo. Gilver probably would have stabbed Dante in the back during their first encounter on Mallet Island.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

Thanks. I knew Gilver didn't do too well in the end, but my copy of the novel is back home >.< Certainly seems like in the end there was little left of Gilver, and what was left was stuck inside Nelo Angelo's armor.

My Headcanon

I've often wondered why summoned swords looked like Force Edge so I've been thinking Vergil has never used summoned swords at any point story wise til the third Nero Angelo battle.

He couldn't have just made the ability up upon his brief use of the weapon, so I came to the conclusion that he remembers how it looked during his time as Gilver.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I'm not certain that really fits as far as reasoning though. Gilver was already encased in Nelo Angelo-type armor, all Dante did was blow it apart and send him back to the Demon world.

So Mundus took what was left of Gilver in his armor and put it back to work as the soulless armor that he was in the first game. Nelo Angelo really did have no personality, and in fact what little personality he exhibited was that of a cocksure individual - all he does is chuckle maliciously. I dunno about you, but that's already quite the departure from 3V, who never once does anything like that. Nelo Angelo was more a one-note fascimile of 1D, really.

It also wouldn't work in terms of why he turned from a scumbag into being more honorable as Nelo Angelo. Gilver probably would have stabbed Dante in the back during their first encounter on Mallet Island.

This operates under the assumption that Nelo Angelo had any honor that contradicted Gilver's sadism. Where exactly is this honor that epitomizes the character for you, because I'm not sure the word is being used correctly >.>

Seriously, what definition of "honor" is being used that can be applied to a guy that by definition acts rather dishonorable? Where are Vergil's and/or Nelo Angelo's honorable traits? In peoples' heads...?

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

This operates under the assumption that Nelo Angelo had any honor that contradicted Gilver's sadism. Where exactly is this honor that epitomizes the character for you, because I'm not sure the word is being used correctly >.>

Seriously, what definition of "honor" is being used that can be applied to a guy that by definition acts rather dishonorable? Where are Vergil's and/or Nelo Angelo's honorable traits? In peoples' heads...?

Im guessing it was that one time when he didn't immediately attack dante after emerging from the mirror.

 

[Innsmouth]

Seriously, what definition of "honor" is being used that can be applied to a guy that by definition acts rather dishonorable? Where are Vergil's and/or Nelo Angelo's honorable traits? In peoples' heads...?

And where exactly Nelo Angelo acted dishonourable in DMC1? Because throwing stuff like "acting dishonourable" should at least be based on some base, aside from personal opinion.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

The "acts rather dishonorable" would be applied to mostly Vergil himself. Nelo Angelo just lacks any honorable traits, because he...rather lacks any sort of characterization beyond "frequent mysterious adversary who chuckles a lot."

 

[Veloran]

So Mundus took what was left of Gilver in his armor and put it back to work as the soulless armor that he was in the first game. Nelo Angelo really did have no personality, and in fact what little personality he exhibited was that of a cocksure individual - all he does is chuckle maliciously. I dunno about you, but that's already quite the departure from 3V, who never once does anything like that. Nelo Angelo was more a one-note fascimile of 1D, really.



This operates under the assumption that Nelo Angelo had any honor that contradicted Gilver's sadism. Where exactly is this honor that epitomizes the character for you, because I'm not sure the word is being used correctly >.>

Seriously, what definition of "honor" is being used that can be applied to a guy that by definition acts rather dishonorable? Where are Vergil's and/or Nelo Angelo's honorable traits? In peoples' heads...?

In answer to both of your points -

Yes, I also forget that it exists. Besides all that, Dante also outright calls him honorable in DMC1, which is good enough as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Innsmouth]

Veloran beat me to it, so it pretty much answers the question xD

 

[TWOxACROSS]

In answer to both of your points -

Yes, I also forget that it exists. Besides all that, Dante also outright calls him honorable in DMC1, which is good enough as far as I'm concerned.

Uhhhmmm...I don't think those comics are canon.

And Dante saying "A man with guts and honor" doesn't make it so. He's not even using the word right.

 

[Innsmouth]

Can we please stop with "but it doesn't approved by original creator with his personal seal of approval"? IT licensed by Capcom, also much later when Itsuno was driving ship. So yeah. They wouldn't put unlicensed comic on the market. Just like all those SF and Darkstalkers comics.

 

[Bazilican]

Dude, if it's not canon, it's not canon. Just because a hole was poked into the wet sheet of the plot that is DMC1, doesn't mean it's worth trying to preserve your pieces together.