Vergil - Portrait of a Warrior
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Sure, but I'm even more guilty of expecting great things from lazy and uncreative people.I expect too much from others, the same way I expect too much from myself.
Vergil was honorable in the same way an ancient samurai would be honorable.
That is to say a huge dickbag to a normal person, but still staunchly following their own code no matter what. Even as a mind-controlled pawn of Mundus he still stubbornly did things his own way.
I think there's more to it than that, even if that was his leading motivation. Vergil saw himself as too weak to protect her, and so became obsessed with the Demonic power and legacy of his father. He wanted to live up to the version of Sparda he had idealized in his own mind, and become the next "Legendary Dark Knight". Ironically though, Vergil never really came to understand what made Sparda so powerful, never realized that all that strength was secondary to actually having something good to fight for. Dante and even Nero recognized this, but Vergil was always too blinded by his own vision.
That's why I like Vergil so much really. Despite all these allusions to being the Dragon, the Emperor, the First Son, he was never truly aware of what it meant to actually inherit the will of his father.
Not much of a gentleman, are you? She admitted, therefore half is forgiven. So pick up that mop and bucket and get going, your half of tower is waiting. XD
@Foxtrot94 , that's too raunchy to say to a lady! You need a good spanking!
@Veloran , I agree with most you said, but I expect even more, I need more.
Gentleman? That's human stuff.
Besides, you don't ask a Predator to be a cleaner... if you know what I mean...
If you're Predator, I'm Dante. So... *presents Pandora* Wanna see how fast you can run, Skippy?
If you're Predator, I'm Dante. So... *presents Pandora* Wanna see how fast you can run, Skippy?
Nope, Dante's not female. And Pandora is a pretty slow weapon anyway, the prep time takes ages.
Now, if you were Vergil... but you can't be, so...
What does my RL gender have with it? You're not extraterrestrial, after all.
Doesn't matter about Pandora being slow, Dante makes up for it with his own speed and strength. Besides, if Predator could be beaten by a middle-aged detective, then Dante can do it while eating pizza and listening to Trish nag about leaving the toilet seat up.
Besides, if Predator could be beaten by a middle-aged detective, then Dante can do it while eating pizza and listening to Trish nag about leaving the toilet seat up.
We'll deal with Dante in due time. We are the hunters on this planet now. Hunters of demons and humans alike.
Let us say I'm expecting Capcom presents us with deeper motives than " Momma's dead and I have a inferiority complex".
I want to believe this character can have more layers than those Capcom gives us. Just that.
Well actually that's already a pretty deep motivation, because of the personal nature of it. Plus it ties to his vision of Sparda, which Veloran explained earlier.
Not enough for me, since it implies the guy just lives obsessed with the past.That is not a motivation, it's just a excuse to cause destruction. It can be better than that.
So we agree in disagree.
Just a question:
When you talk about a code of honor related to samurais, is this the code you're talking about?
Because if it is, Vergil doesn't fit on it.
Seven Virtues of Bushidō (as envisioned by Nitobe Inazo)
The Bushidō code is typified by seven virtues:
Just a question:
When you talk about a code of honor related to samurais, is this the code you're talking about?
Because if it is, Vergil doesn't fit on it.
Seven Virtues of Bushidō (as envisioned by Nitobe Inazo)
The Bushidō code is typified by seven virtues:
- Righteousness (義 gi?)
- Courage (勇 yū?)
- Benevolence (仁 jin?)
- Respect (礼 rei?)
- Sincerity (誠 makoto?)
- Honour (名誉 meiyo?)
- Loyalty (忠義 chūgi?)
- Self-Control (jisei?)
- Filial piety (孝 kō?)
- Wisdom (智 chi?)
- Fraternal Respect (悌 tei?)
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So, is there another Samurai code? Which code I must know to understand Vergil's concept of honor?
Vergil is always just presented as this petty one dimensional Saturday morning cartoon villain. This is Capcom we're talking about here after all. That's pretty much their forte. Hell, look at their games. I believe myself, and other writers here can do better than they could ever do.
In the hands of a better writer, Vergil could be a more interesting character. Instead, he's there to fulfill a very trite archetype and nothing more. The original games could never even keep a consistent character arc. At least the latest game has an arc for these characters. It establishes things. Is it the best I've ever seen? F#ck no. There's a lot of things I would have personally done differently. But it's competent at the very least and does its job in a game like this.
And yea, Vergil in DMC 3 still isn't honorable. He's just a selfish, petty, d!ckhead. He has complete disregard for anyone he deems inferior and is willing to sacrifice anything for means to an end. If you look up the word honorable in the dictionary, Vergil sure as hell doesn't live up to that quota. To put it bluntly, some people here seriously have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to defending this accusation. Gel, I wouldn't even worry about it.
In the hands of a better writer, Vergil could be a more interesting character. Instead, he's there to fulfill a very trite archetype and nothing more. The original games could never even keep a consistent character arc. At least the latest game has an arc for these characters. It establishes things. Is it the best I've ever seen? F#ck no. There's a lot of things I would have personally done differently. But it's competent at the very least and does its job in a game like this.
And yea, Vergil in DMC 3 still isn't honorable. He's just a selfish, petty, d!ckhead. He has complete disregard for anyone he deems inferior and is willing to sacrifice anything for means to an end. If you look up the word honorable in the dictionary, Vergil sure as hell doesn't live up to that quota. To put it bluntly, some people here seriously have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to defending this accusation. Gel, I wouldn't even worry about it.
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