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The Truth Around Lilith's Death *spoilers*

Rayl said:
You know what? No, you're being an ass, go away. I talk about a Vergil that uses deception and underhanded tactics in an example i come up with off the top of my head, something that implies that it was in no way how i felt it should actually go down and you call me out on being a DMC3 fanboy? No seriously. Go away. You're an idiot.
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I see where you're coming from with this. Vergil in DmC works undergound. His advantage is that he can be hidden. He fights unseen, but then comes out in the open at a vital moment and does the killing so blatantly without fear of being seen or found out.
Like I said before that he could have planted a bomb on her, stayed in the hideout and watched with CCTV to find the right moment to detonate. Lilith would be dead and Vergil would not have his cover blown.
But I guess if Vergil had got his way, Kat would still be with Mundus and probably dead. He only gives in because he still needs Dante on his side.

Anyway, let's all not start calling stupid and insults. ^_^
 
ABANDON THREAD... *my spidey sense is tingling that this is gonna get locked*

Anyway, I thought Vergil shooting Lilith from behind was very cowardly and not honorable at all (when you kill someone, you should always face them... apparently).
I've read about this before and all i can think is, "It isn't real... WTF?"
 
Rayl said:
You know what? No, you're being an ass, go away. I talk about a Vergil that uses deception and underhanded tactics in an example i come up with off the top of my head, something that implies that it was in no way how i felt it should actually go down and you call me out on being a DMC3 fanboy? No seriously. Go away. You're an idiot.
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Deception is a very useful tactic in warfare. Vergil strikes me as more of tactician in DmC. I don't know why you think simply tricking your enemy can be considered somehow wrong especially in a sense that Vergil is fighting a war against a very powerful enemy who is an already established ruler of the world. You don't just bang on his front door demanding a fight.

Are you saying you aren't a DMC 3 fanboy? I'm a DMC 3 fanboy. That's a pretty good game you know. I just never liked Vergil.
 
Chancey289 said:
Go through the trouble of trying to figure out a way he can secretly use his magic to secretly kill her and maybe risk getting found out or get it over with using a gun so that there isn't a single chance no one would suspect he isn't human. Tell me what sounds like the more logical thing to do if you were in Vergil's shoes?

You just want to see Vergil be exactly like he was in 3. Simple as that so quit beating around this bush with this nonsense your babbling. Vergil previously was full of sh!t with his whole honor thing. The dude just likes swords ok. What makes you think the only way you're considered a warrior is if you wield swords? There is much more to the way of the warrior than using a sword. Just look at all the different cultures around. Even though Vergil carries a Katana it was not as black and white as Vergil's views make it seem. From Bushido to Chivalry there is so much more to this entire concept. I research this sh!t just for fun because I always dug history on warriors and their ways of life. Well, I'm sort of a history buff in general. It was my favorite subject in school and I'm actually studying to be a history teacher.

Vergil just dug swords. That's pretty much it. You just want to see that Vergil. I never liked Vergil at all because he was such a boring villain. There are LOTS of villains who put him to shame. DmC had a Vergil I liked because at least he had personality and wasn't just there for the sake of being a boss fight basically.
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Rayl said:
You know what? No, you're being an ass, go away. I talk about a Vergil that uses deception and underhanded tactics in an example i come up with off the top of my head, something that implies that it was in no way how i felt it should actually go down and you call me out on being a DMC3 fanboy? No seriously. Go away. You're an idiot.
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Both of you. Calm down
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Chancey289 said:
Deception is a very useful tactic in warfare. Vergil strikes me as more of tactician in DmC. I don't know why you think simply tricking your enemy can be considered somehow wrong especially in a sense that Vergil is fighting a war against a very powerful enemy who is an already established ruler of the world. You don't just bang on his front door demanding a fight.

Are you saying you aren't a DMC 3 fanboy? I'm a DMC 3 fanboy. That's a pretty good game you know. I just never liked Vergil.
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When i fanboy something i keep that to discussions of relevancy, yeah, i enjoy DMC3, in this thread however? Irrelevant. As many have stated this is a NEW Vergil and while i would like to see more of DMC3 Vergil's character traits, i am choosing to discuss him as if he were a new character. I personally feel he is being portrayed as a character that does whatever it takes to win a war, if that means remaining hidden to everybody then that's what it takes, if it means he blows up a van full of police officers and a pregnant demon then once again that's what it takes.

His demonic power is that of a shadow of himself for crying out loud, why not roll with the theme? Operating in the shadows, waging war from the shadows and all that.

And if he really, REALLY needed to use a gun... why not wear that mask he'd be wearing all that time?!
 
Considering Mundus already concluded that the Order's leader was "in colaberation with the Nephilim", just being there revealed that.
 
Alittleacorn said:
Thank you, I worked on it all afternoon. Don't tell anyone. >.> <.<


A game can be made up of serious moments and funny ones.

For example DMC3, Dante has his amusing introduction as he smashes his jukebox after it fails to start, before battling demons with pizza. While later on, you get a sad, moving moment of Lady talking to her Father before he seemingly 'dies'.

DMC1 Ending, Dante and Trish make a little joke about how fast they can kill the demons before heading off, the same pair that had some intense and moving scenes together. DMC4, Dante keeps a lighthearted attitude when taking on the demons bosses and has some funny moments, where Nero is more serious one, even getting some sad scenes where he loses Kyrie after getting trapped inside the Sanctus and losing all hope.

DMC2, now that was serious. I'm not sure that even had any jokes.
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I agree with you 100%, but hey, DMC 2 had funny moments too!

How could you forget the funniest villain ever? Arius and his ohhh arcanas! I won't be able to transcend all living things! :)
 
Btw, Rayl, doesn't Vergil need to activate his Devil Trigger to use his doppelganger?
 
Ruisu said:
Btw, Rayl, doesn't Vergil need to activate his Devil Trigger to use his doppelganger?
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His Devil Trigger isn't Doppleganger, the comic and the fact he doesn't actually heal or DT form like in Downfall confirms this. Doopleganger is a skill he uses that seems to externalize his demonic power, and helps him circumvent using DT since he feared losing his humanity before the events of Downfall.
 
Devil Player said:
I agree with you 100%, but hey, DMC 2 had funny moments too!

How could you forget the funniest villain ever? Arius and his ohhh arcanas! I won't be able to transcend all living things! :)
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He just wanted to be the KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENG OF DIS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD.
 
Rayl said:
He just wanted to be the KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENG OF DIS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD.
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Overall Vergil is virtually the same but less in a cartoon villain sense.
-He embraces his non-human heritage
-He lust for power
-He has a superiority complex
-He's willing to use people for means to an end
-He's calm and collected
-He's rather sophisticated and regal compared to Dante's punk like attitude
That's Vergil. What makes Vergil Vergil is here in DmC. Just because he doesn't state his hard on for swords doesn't mean what's vital to his character isn't still here.
 
Chancey289 said:
Overall Vergil is virtually the same but less in a cartoon villain sense.
-He embraces his non-human heritage
-He lust for power
-He has a superiority complex
-He's willing to use people for means to an end
-He's calm and collected
-He's rather sophisticated and regal compared to Dante's punk like attitude
That's Vergil. What makes Vergil Vergil is here in DmC. Just because he doesn't state his hard on for swords doesn't mean what's vital to his character isn't still here.
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Plus, like Classic Vergil, if you hit the right buttons, he flies RIGHT OFF the handle. Heheheh. I think I'm gonn'a go poke my brother some more...see if I can get the same reaction out of him.
 
Dante Redgrave said:
His Devil Trigger isn't Doppleganger, the comic and the fact he doesn't actually heal or DT form like in Downfall confirms this. Doopleganger is a skill he uses that seems to externalize his demonic power, and helps him circumvent using DT since he feared losing his humanity before the events of Downfall.
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But, outside of the comic, which is not really that much canon, vergil is incapable of using his doppelganger without using Devil Trigger. I say that because in Vergil's downfall, when he loses his amulet (directly connected to his DT power, as demonstrated by Dante) he also loses his doppelganger power.
Even more, he never really gets to use his doppelganger again until he recovers his DT, even though his other regular abilities as summoned swords start to come back even before he has the amulet back.
 
On a personal account, I never liked the Trade. Not because of that fact that Vergil was "out of character" but how randomly Lilith's death happened. It wasn't conclusionary neither was it particularly meaningful. Lilith just... died and all we get out of it is how much of a prick Vergil is.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that players had just wasted time fighting the ugly little thing in an entire boss sequence and Vergil just ups and shoots it while it was weak. He also wasted the effort Dante put into showing Lilith mercy after all the struggle she forced him into.

Even more so, what was the point of shooting Lilith? Her womb just got shot, so I'm pretty sure she won't be able to have another baby. So... why?

Basically, that entire scene just wasted time. It would be better if stuff was revealed during that scene. Maybe if Mundus betrayed the deal, we could see just how cruel he is. For example, if he killed Lilith and the baby himself.
 
I do agree that mission was not required to be a mission. For me it could just a long cutscene somewhere, and then we get a real mission later.

It would also solve the plothole problem of the time stopping gimmick the mission has. We do know is somehow connected to the manipulation of Limbo that mundus did, but to what point? Is anyone's guess.
 
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