• Welcome to the Devil May Cry Community Forum!

    We're a group of fans who are passionate about the Devil May Cry series and video gaming.

    Register Log in

The ranting thinking thread

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
Premium
An online friend of mine from the US messaged me on Discord and she was so distraught. She just wanted to vent about the Coronavirus situation and as someone who hasn't exactly kept in touch with how the pandemic has been handled overseas, the scenario she depicted to me was horrible. Just what in the **** is going on over there? Is what she told me true and as widespread as she made it sound?

Record cases and deaths in the tens of thousands, the government letting individual States come up with their own regulations, barely any lockdown, no precautions, people actively boycotting wearing masks and using hand sanitizers, Trump himself mocking those who do have some common sense in that regard and not taking the situation seriously at all?

Like, Jesus, I suspected the Covid emergency would get worse because of all the protests over there but apparently the problem has its roots deeper than that. What is that orange clown doing? Why's he been letting his country go to **** like this? Why are people so against basic precautions? Why does everything seem so disorganized (again, from the perspective of someone who's not living all this, but just hearing it from someone else who's there)?

I could feel she was about to burst out crying cause she was afraid for her and her family. She asked me about how WE're doing and I kinda dodged that question, kept it vague, cause telling her the truth, I felt like it'd maker sink deeper into depression.

Just what in God's name, man, it sounds like hell over there. Forumites from the US, are you ok? Now I'm genuinely worried.
 

therogis

ʙʟᴏᴏᴅ ғᴏʀ ғʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ
Would someone like to explain me why do I find myself worrying about a person's wellbeing and health when this person is a selfish narcissist who has brought only pain, misery and suffering to my and various other people's lives?

Why do I stay here, considering that I've seen the destruction she's caused over the years, I've seen people crying... heck, a couple of years ago I even got a phone call where a loved one of hers told me he's going to see a psychiatrist because of her and I was the one to feel obliged to say "I'm sorry that I didn't warn you about her despite that I saw this coming"?

At the time of writing this I also feel the need to pray for absolution because I'm in no position to judge her... but you know, this is one of those evenings when you realize there is no sense in your actions, no sense to care about a person who has clearly shown to be capable of nothing else but destruction. No sense to stand here, seeing smarter people leave, not looking back, no sense to take the bullets and tell everyone else to keep their distance to her because she's not OK.

Stupid me.

Also, I bought a new soap and now I'm smelling like puke. Thank you, Finnish natural ingredients.
 

Carlos

A powerful demon
Xen-Omni 2020
An online friend of mine from the US messaged me on Discord and she was so distraught. She just wanted to vent about the Coronavirus situation and as someone who hasn't exactly kept in touch with how the pandemic has been handled overseas, the scenario she depicted to me was horrible. Just what in the **** is going on over there? Is what she told me true and as widespread as she made it sound?
It's a 50/50 split. The virus is real, yes. We're experiencing multiple issues with responses to the virus. I'll explain as I go along. It's a mess, but it exacerbated by protests. The media is pushing the divide between whites and other races. New groups are being born from these protests. There was a riot born from a black man's neck being pressed on for eight minutes. He's dead now, so bitch officer is fired, but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. So, the nation went into a series of protests. Not just one. The protests continue because these officers aren't heeding the anger. Just weeks after the riots. Guess what? Another officer does the knee pressure. Once again, another protest occurs. It's just gonna continue until something boils over the limit, and something has to give.
Record cases and deaths in the tens of thousands, the government letting individual States come up with their own regulations, barely any lockdown, no precautions, people actively boycotting wearing masks and using hand sanitizers, Trump himself mocking those who do have some common sense in that regard and not taking the situation seriously at all?
Basically, yes. It's not just the government, though. Everyone is being stupid about it. Stupid.

Each state has their own governor, and most of them don't want to listen to the higher government (White House). Its like this, we're seeing higher number of crime, higher number of police brutality, just in general higher numbers of abuse in every category. Most governors don't want military action. Trump just said the other day, he's willing to put high crime areas on notice if they don't stop their bullshit. He said the governors have to pick up the phone and ask for help. Trump is ready. They just need to eat their pride, and say "I need help, Mr. President."

The virus is still out there, and people are just oblivious to it. Hell, there are even people who won't wear a mask.

We had a lockdown, but it wasn't working for everyone. People still go out, regardless of the mandate. People lost their jobs during lockdown, and that's how our economy was hit. But spending is very much the same as before. Usually when we have a recession, it's because people are adverse to spending. So, businesses go out of business at this time. During lockdown, we're seeing more, and more businesses go out of business - mostly mom and pops owned businesses.
Like, Jesus, I suspected the Covid emergency would get worse because of all the protests over there but apparently the problem has its roots deeper than that. What is that orange clown doing? Why's he been letting his country go to **** like this? Why are people so against basic precautions? Why does everything seem so disorganized (again, from the perspective of someone who's not living all this, but just hearing it from someone else who's there)?
Well... people are just oblivious. The media isn't doing any better. They want people to hate each other. [Ahem, create division.]

There are even ideas that the virus is terrorism. There was a story two weeks ago in Alabama (southern east state, near Florida), in this story, a person created a party to see who would get the virus first. Guess what? One walked with COVID19. Hospitalized. Idiots.

They thought COVID19 was a joke, well now they look stupid.
I could feel she was about to burst out crying cause she was afraid for her and her family. She asked me about how WE're doing and I kinda dodged that question, kept it vague, cause telling her the truth, I felt like it'd maker sink deeper into depression.
Nothing you can do, bro. Sorry but no one is safe.
Just what in God's name, man, it sounds like hell over there. Forumites from the US, are you ok? Now I'm genuinely worried.
I'm ok, but it's because I wash my hands frequently, I keep my distance, I take frequent baths, I rest a lot, trying to keep my hygiene up to snuff. I'll worry about my health later (dieting kind of health), I just want to get past this virus. ****ing China.

We are in election year, so I expect more virus chaos to continue.
 
Last edited:

Dark Drakan

Well-known Member
Admin
Moderator
Let's hope so.

I don't wanna go back to a Sony-dominated marketplace.

Those were dark times for anyone who didn't own their products.

Technically Microsoft are selling their games and services through 2 platforms so they will be making money hand over fist. By having game pass not only available on Xbox but PC too they can also sell their services to people who dont own an Xbox. This is targeting PC owners and also Playstation owners who also have gaming PC's and who dont want to buy an Xbox. Microsoft have done well to keep their games cross generation and playable on new consoles with backwards compatibility and also encouraged a more open market bringing their games to PC too outside of the Xbox console boundaries. I mean I would rather pay for Game Pass than have to buy all the games im interested on it individually, literally saving me hundreds of pounds. I literally dont need to buy a new console really I can instead play those games on my PC and not have to fork out for a new console.

Whereas Sony seem to be doing all they can to move all of their games to the new platform and leave the old games and console behind so you will have no choice but to buy a whole new console. Handy thing for them is they have the IP's that will force people to buy those new consoles but its an anti consumer move. They are starting to see the benefits to selling outside of their console boundaries too however and porting more and more games to PC. As I said before, if Sony changed their digital service away from Streaming and made something like Game Pass and released it on PC I would certainly subscribe. I wouldnt need a Playstation or an Xbox and could play all those games on my PC and Sony and Microsoft would still get the subscription money and I think both companies are starting to see the value in this.

There are down sides to it of course with some games leaving the services after a certain timeframe but with Xbox Game Pass you get chance to purchase full game at a discounted rate should this happen and you can carry on playing. If these services became common place I believe they would come up with a better solution and pricing structure for this to please everyone.
 

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
Technically Microsoft are selling their games and services through 2 platforms so they will be making money hand over fist. By having game pass not only available on Xbox but PC too they can also sell their services to people who dont own an Xbox.
Sounds like a good idea. Just skip the hardware and go straight to already available platforms.

This is targeting PC owners and also Playstation owners who also have gaming PC's and who dont want to buy an Xbox. Microsoft have done well to keep their games cross generation and playable on new consoles with backwards compatibility and also encouraged a more open market bringing their games to PC too outside of the Xbox console boundaries. I mean I would rather pay for Game Pass than have to buy all the games im interested on it individually, literally saving me hundreds of pounds. I literally dont need to buy a new console really I can instead play those games on my PC and not have to fork out for a new console.
It's a hassle, owning multiple consoles. There's no doubt about it.

My only problem with PC is that I'll have to upgrade the parts eventually.

But you're right, the intervals between trade-ups are far fewer with PC.

Whereas Sony seem to be doing all they can to move all of their games to the new platform and leave the old games and console behind so you will have no choice but to buy a whole new console.
It's a strategy designed for complacent customers who think it's alright to get screwed over every five years or so.

Handy thing for them is they have the IP's that will force people to buy those new consoles but its an anti consumer move. They are starting to see the benefits to selling outside of their console boundaries too however and porting more and more games to PC. As I said before, if Sony changed their digital service away from Streaming and made something like Game Pass and released it on PC I would certainly subscribe. I wouldnt need a Playstation or an Xbox and could play all those games on my PC and Sony and Microsoft would still get the subscription money and I think both companies are starting to see the value in this.
This is where we get to the main positives of Game Pass.

In the end, both companies are most likely going to advertise their own like-minded services in the near future.

Sony isn't doing it at the moment because they're waiting for their market share to drop (due to the economy) before they reveal their "new" strategy.

There are down sides to it of course with some games leaving the services after a certain timeframe but with Xbox Game Pass you get chance to purchase full game at a discounted rate should this happen and you can carry on playing. If these services became common place I believe they would come up with a better solution and pricing structure for this to please everyone.
What I would like (but will never get) are registered, pirate-proof cartridges where you can download each game directly to your MS-branded solid state mini-drives so it isn't tied down directly to your system.

As it is though, I guess I don't see too much of an issue with trying to please everyone in the future however.

Two service passes competing on PC sounds like the most logical next step. That's why Google tried to rush in with their digital-only platform before anyone else could.

MS did it right by offering different options while slowly phasing out their Live Gold option.
 
Last edited:

ef9dante_oSsshea

Well-known Member
Premium
Xen-Omni 2020
You have to put x-cloud into that scenario too, xcloud will allow people with phones tablets and laptops

And even smart TVs, able to play gamepass with a controller and xcloud.That means the customer base has the potential to sky rocket.It is a gold mine really, which is why xbox dont care what you play on and can take a hit on console price.
 

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
You have to put x-cloud into that scenario too, xcloud will allow people with phones tablets and laptops

And even smart TVs, able to play gamepass with a controller and xcloud.That means the customer base has the potential to sky rocket.It is a gold mine really, which is why xbox dont care what you play on and can take a hit on console price.
I disagree with the concept of x-cloud, tbh.

Of course, most people are gonna be on it if it's at a good price -- but it's not for me.

My point: if gaming ever goes exclusively to x-cloud or google stadia, then I'll just stop.
 

Angel

Is not rat, is hamster
Admin
Moderator
Family: don't ever be away or busy when it's my birthday. Also I want an expensive present of my choosing to adequately demonstrate my worth to you.

Family: I know it's your birthday this weekend but I just HAVE to get away for a couple of days. And I don't do presents, you know that - I'm terrible at buying them. Ooh look! New clothes for me!

:meh:
 

Carlos

A powerful demon
Xen-Omni 2020
Sounds like a good idea. Just skip the hardware and go straight to already available platforms.
That's not why they're doing this. Microsoft is a trillion dollar company, yes, but they're not Sony. I'll explain why soon.
It's a hassle, owning multiple consoles. There's no doubt about it.

My only problem with PC is that I'll have to upgrade the parts eventually.

But you're right, the intervals between trade-ups are far fewer with PC.
That's why I like consoles more than PCs.

Don't get me wrong, I like PC's versatility, but every 10 years, we get these new parts where we'd have to change the PC case, motherboard, everything else. Completely. Like a new console. That's a whole $1000 decision.

I was about to customize my own computer with my uncle, and he was looking at them. I could see him going confused. Straight from his mouth: "They don't make it like they used to." He built computers in the 90's.

Every 1 to 5 years you can opt to upgrade your computer with latest graphics card, CPU, but that's $200-$500 each time.
It's a strategy designed for complacent customers who think it's alright to get screwed over every five years or so.
I like the model than the PC model. These manufacturers don't seem to make their mind up and try to extract money from PC builders.
This is where we get to the main positives of Game Pass.

In the end, both companies are most likely going to advertise their own like-minded services in the near future.

Sony isn't doing it at the moment because they're waiting for their market share to drop (due to the economy) before they reveal their "new" strategy.
No, that's not why they're not doing "streaming." Sony's entire business is Hardware. Their business is selling you TV, Walkmans, Surround Sound, Films/Movies, and Video Games. Microsoft's entire business is Software. Their expertise lies in Software. Nothing else.

Their business also relies on services, too. Which is how Xbox Live, Windows Store, Bing, and similar services exist. Their second business is live services (not like gaming's live service games, I meant Software as a Service or SaaS).

They're not interested in streaming at the moment. They want to remain as hardware-based-company for as long as they can before going, and pivoting into something else. PlayStation Now is considered their second business. Not their primary.
What I would like (but will never get) are registered, pirate-proof cartridges where you can download each game directly to your MS-branded solid state mini-drives so it isn't tied down directly to your system.
That's what these memory cards are.
Two service passes competing on PC sounds like the most logical next step. That's why Google tried to rush in with their digital-only platform before anyone else could.
To be fair, the people behind Stadia are the same people behind OnLive. Google's business revolves around servers, sooo... this has a 50/50 chance of surviving down the road. The issue is more on expanding this Stadia program into other areas of the world. This thing, as much as Google wants to do... can't go worldwide. You cannot sell this thing to low-income folks or low-income families. Because the whole service requires high latency connections. Hence why we're seeing issues at the moment. Stadia was waaaaay too rushed.

The thing is, they have other businesses to support Stadia; Google has fiber optic cable services. Kinda like a regular cable company. The issue here, too. Not enough people have it.
MS did it right by offering different options while slowly phasing out their Live Gold option.
Oh, no. Xbox Live will still exist, but just not the "Xbox Live" name, and branding. It's just being baked into the whole online services of Xbox in general.
 

Dark Drakan

Well-known Member
Admin
Moderator
My only problem with PC is that I'll have to upgrade the parts eventually.

I have spent far more money 'upgrading' my consoles with newer models over the years and paying for online services and higher priced games than I have spent on my PC. Its all about balance at the end of the day, you could spend loads upgrading your PC every couple of years if you want to stay right at the very top of the hardware spectrum but there isnt really a need.

PC is fully backwards compatible with every generation, I can play games from 30 years ago or play something that released yesterday, I dont have to pay extra to play online, games are cheaper with better sales and I also have mods. I have recently upgraded my PC (6 years since I built my original) however it wasnt a necessity I could still play everything with good frame rate and even the most demanding games were playable if I tweaked some settings. However I wanted to make use of the better hardware available so I have sold all my pieces and purchased new motherboard CPU and RAM and shall get a new GFX Card soon.


This is where we get to the main positives of Game Pass.

My main thing with Game Pass is that I can try games without spending £50 on them a time, if I dont like them I can uninstall them and I havent lost anything. If I like it and im worried about it leaving the service I can buy it at a discount and its mine to keep even if the game leaves the service itself. Game Pass on PC cost me £1 for the month and then £3.99 a month after that (£47.88 a year) so less than the price of 1 game I can play hundreds, its a no brainer really.

I was about to customize my own computer with my uncle, and he was looking at them. I could see him going confused. Straight from his mouth: "They don't make it like they used to." He built computers in the 90's.

I built my first in the late 90's and I have found although the technology is far superior now and there is more to install I have found them far more idiot proof these days and most things will only go in 1 slot etc and they are much more geared towards people who dont do it frequently (there was over 10 years gap between my first 2 builds and now im on my 3rd).

If I were to only count the different models/ Hardware revision variations of the same consoles I have owned in that same time frame without counting the other consoles ive owned it would still be way over the cost of what I had spent on my PC's in that same time for sure. 13 console variations over 3 generations of consoles and that doesnt include the other consoles ive owned 1 of too (there were more revisions of those consoles than I purchased myself too).

2 Playstations
3 Playstation 2's
3 Xbox 360's
2 PS4's
3 Xbox One


Every 1 to 5 years you can opt to upgrade your computer with latest graphics card, CPU, but that's $200-$500 each time.

A newer card than you have maybe but no need for the latest variant of them to outperform a console and if you do opt for one of the newer models CPU/GPU its more like 7-10 years than 1-5. My GTX 970 is 6 years old and still performing well and going to replace it with new card in next few months and sold other parts to fund it.
 

Carlos

A powerful demon
Xen-Omni 2020
I built my first in the late 90's and I have found although the technology is far superior now and there is more to install I have found them far more idiot proof these days and most things will only go in 1 slot etc and they are much more geared towards people who dont do it frequently (there was over 10 years gap between my first 2 builds and now im on my 3rd).
I know, but what I'm saying is computer building is like a sport. You're going to need to know where everything goes. Been watching bitwit's videos lately... out of curiosity on how far computers have come.

If I were to only count the different models/ Hardware revision variations of the same consoles I have owned in that same time frame without counting the other consoles ive owned it would still be way over the cost of what I had spent on my PC's in that same time for sure. 13 console variations over 3 generations of consoles and that doesnt include the other consoles ive owned 1 of too (there were more revisions of those consoles than I purchased myself too).

2 Playstations
3 Playstation 2's
3 Xbox 360's
2 PS4's
3 Xbox One
The most consoles I buy is at least two models. The reason I bought two PS2s is because my first PS2 [close to launch] stopped working. Same with PS3. Thankfully I didn't have to do the same for PS4.
A newer card than you have maybe but no need for the latest variant of them to outperform a console and if you do opt for one of the newer models CPU/GPU its more like 7-10 years than 1-5. My GTX 970 is 6 years old and still performing well and going to replace it with new card in next few months and sold other parts to fund it.
Yeah, but going forward, that idea is going to change. Graphics Cards will begin to push more graphics. A new war is about to begin. Trust me.
 
Last edited:

Foxtrot94

Elite Hunter
Premium
Sony seem to be doing all they can to move all of their games to the new platform and leave the old games and console behind

Well, ain't this how console generations always worked? This, along with the concept of exclusives and company ownership of the platform, is why consoles are inherently anti consumer.

I'm glad some people are finally waking up to it now
 

Dark Drakan

Well-known Member
Admin
Moderator
I know, but what I'm saying is computer building is like a sport. You're going to need to know where everything goes. Been watching bitwit's videos lately... out of curiosity on how far computers have come.

Yeah, but going forward, that idea is going to change. Graphics Cards will begin to push more graphics. A new war is about to begin. Trust me.

I managed to change a motherboard, CPU and RAM in 20mins and have PC up and running and ready to go and this is first time ive actually done it on my own @Steve helped me with my last build and a friend helped me with my first. I watched a few Youtube videos and gave it a go and was pretty easy, most things are labelled up, colour coded or only fit into a particular slot so all of this helps. Besides some strange mic isssues I had the other night while Steve and I were playing Sea of Thieves its been seamless transition but think that was a settings/driver change issue when I switched the motherboards.

Graphics Cards will of course begin to push boundaries but by design thats what they were created to do. Ray Tracing for example has only just hit its first iteration and the next new cards will vastly improve RTX performance and although its very nice looking its not a necessity by any means.

Well, ain't this how console generations always worked? This, along with the concept of exclusives and company ownership of the platform, is why consoles are inherently anti consumer.

I'm glad some people are finally waking up to it now

Pretty much but cross generation backwards compatibility was becoming more of a selling point over the years hence why Microsoft went that route. Although Sony took the other route and started remastering older games instead to sell to you again. I am happy to see more games from Microsoft (Xbox) and Sony going to PC these days. Although Game Pass isn’t a current cash cow for them and hardly surprising at the price it is but it’s amazing value.
 

Carlos

A powerful demon
Xen-Omni 2020
I managed to change a motherboard, CPU and RAM in 20mins and have PC up and running and ready to go and this is first time ive actually done it on my own @Steve helped me with my last build and a friend helped me with my first. I watched a few Youtube videos and gave it a go and was pretty easy, most things are labelled up, colour coded or only fit into a particular slot so all of this helps. Besides some strange mic isssues I had the other night while Steve and I were playing Sea of Thieves its been seamless transition but think that was a settings/driver change issue when I switched the motherboards.
I've been reading that you and @Steve are real life friends. :) Must be cool to have a tech guy for a friend.

Anyway, I understand that it's easier now. Whee.
Graphics Cards will of course begin to push boundaries but by design thats what they were created to do. Ray Tracing for example has only just hit its first iteration and the next new cards will vastly improve RTX performance and although its very nice looking its not a necessity by any means.
Yes, I know, but the recent 7 years was stagnating for PC gamers. I didn't think of upgrading until recently with PS5/XSX. But, knowing PC gaming, the next 7 is going to be new advancements. To set up for next gen console gaming. I think we're going to have new PS5 models, PS5 Pro sooner, this time, in fact.
Pretty much but cross generation backwards compatibility was becoming more of a selling point over the years hence why Microsoft went that route. Although Sony took the other route and started remastering older games instead to sell to you again. I am happy to see more games from Microsoft (Xbox) and Sony going to PC these days.
It's Microsoft's sneaky marketing strategy. They're even calling Xbox Series X the biggest launch in "history." That quote went over people's heads during the recent July Xbox Games Showcase.
 

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
@Dark Drakan

Sony's about to experience the negative effects of greedily re-selling their old games very soon.


Looks like MS managed to predict upcoming market trends better than I thought.

Now, if only they would translate Shin Megami Tensei Nine for SRX...

Shin_Megami_Tensei_Nine.png
 
Last edited:

therogis

ʙʟᴏᴏᴅ ғᴏʀ ғʀᴇᴇᴅᴏᴍ
You know the type of person who just cannot deal with being wrong sometimes? And if you prove them wrong at anything, they just quickly make some excuse to cover their fault, pretend it was a joke and they actually knew this, or even blame you for stirring their head... you know the type?
Because well, I just hate repeating well-known facts for this one and getting insulted for saying them out loud. I'd love to tell them "I'm sorry the world doesn't change every day just for you" but maybe it's not a smart thing to do just yet :meh:
 
Top Bottom