That flashback *Spoiler warning*

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Okay man , time to move on

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Nobody said she was anything besides what was stated in the games just the simple fact was the game itself was quite vague about her creation which is why I said there could be many possibilities and we shouldn’t just shoot down @Carlos ideas because of that. Nobody was saying anything was factual other than yes she is a demon created in Eva’s image and that was it. You took the whole thing as if we were stating our ideas and stuff as fact which isn’t the case at all. So yeah, in-game canon says Mundus created Trish and that’s basically it. Nothing more to it so let’s all agree to leave it there. I just didn’t think it was very nice or fair for everyone to be beating on someone who said something that was just their thoughts and yeah sometimes people do make mistakes or get things wrong we’re only human after all...

...unlike Dante. Couldn’t resist the joke.

 

[Foxtrot94]

The flashback actually ties in beautifully with that quote from DMC3: "Without strength, you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself."

Everyone jumped on the conclusion that he was referring to protecting his mother but now we know he actually meant himself, as he was left to face demons alone and thus learned power's value as a means for survival, triggering his obsession about it.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Would love an alternate timeline dlc now where Dante and Vergil's positions are switched

Wonder would Dante go dark too , or just deal with it and become a hunter anyway

 

[V's patron]

@ef9 o shea
if they do another reboot .

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Lol I'd prefer an expansion dlc

Though I'd dig DmC2 if it's done right

 

[Vergil95]

I thought that dmc 5 also showed how emotional vergil was, and in a way he was more sentimental and weaker Than dante in that way... Dante was also left alone just like vergil but he managed to go trough his life and not make evil things, probably Eva l'asta world give him motivation to continue... while vergil emotion let him go on a darker path...

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Dante is certainly able to cope with things better , and is far less rigid

 

[Vergil95]

Dante is certainly able to cope with things better , and is far less rigid

Actually as a kid vergil was described as pure and serene by the old man who give him the book of William Blake... Probably he was to much sensibile and the night mundus minion kill his mother he became rigid and cold because he try to hide his feeling so that he will not feel pain anymore... Just assumption howevee

 

[Taramafor]

Dante is certainly able to cope with things better , and is far less rigid

By now, yea. But someone that always laughs things off? Happy mask types can be the most unstable of all. It makes me think he has his fair share of mental scars. Remember what he said in 3 to Mary (eg: Lady)? "At first I didn't give a damn". But seeing her example it changed to "Because of you I know what I need to do".

So basically Dante went from being nearly heartless only wanting to settle a score with his brother to "Let's be the good guy" in 3. And I have a feeling a lot happened before then that made him a bit "darker". 5 hints we might see more of the past in the next game (considering Dante's line of "As much as I'd like to hear that story") so it might be a side we end up seeing. Along with, uh... the other persons past. DLC won't cut it either. You'd need a whole new game for this.

There's a lot of events from the past (both the known and unknown) that would help finish up the present. Especially when it comes to "other person".

Spoiler: Spoiler

Virgil's line of "Might controls everything and without strength you can not protect anything" from 3. It's all been about that. But you'll only know why at the end of the game. I actually figured it out loooong ago just from the line in 3 but this just confirms it.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Dante may have used humour as a coping mechanism, but humour and light heartedness is part of his personality anyway

As for dealing with stuff he has dealt with his fair share

He lost his mother , met her killer , net her doppelganger who he saved , sealed and beat his mother's killer

Supposedly killed his brother

Met his nephew and saved the world a few times now

And none of it changed his path or made him dark or bad etc

As for settling the score that's just rivalry, he made it his mission to kill demons and doesn't kill humans or innocents , Vergil will take out anyone in the way of his goals

And always has done

 

[Taramafor]

Dante may have used humour as a coping mechanism, but humour and light heartedness is part of his personality anyway

He laughed as Credo died in his arms in 4. That's one hell of a way to cope. It actually bugs me a bit. Imagine having that as your dying moments. Someone laughing at your last wish with no straight answer given (yes Dante goes through with it but Credo never sees it before he's dead). The rest I'm fine with. The problem with humour is that it can be easy to fall into denial or wanting to avoid tense situations. And if not that make you come across as uncaring (which can then further lead to actually being so if you're not careful). Combat can be one tense situation, but it's more about confrontation and not wanting to face it (Virgil in this case. But of course he has to face him regardless). Hence his humour when he reaches the fruit. And the tower in 3. Though in 5 it's also an attempt to reach out to Virgil (which you might not know). Using humour to reach out as he eases into that tale of their mother. In 3 it was used to delay the fights. Dante is well balanced overall. But well balanced people are forged through trials by fire. The DMC reboot also shows him as more uncaring. Though it doesn't really answer much (or... anything really. Ok, scratch that, what turned him funny?) I'm more interested in events between those two points.

And none of it changed his path or made him dark or bad etc

That we saw. Keep that in mind. If I only showed you the first game and left it at that Virgil wouldn't make sense now would he? You actually might not be aware of how "good" Virgil actually is (I'm assuming most people see him as evil due to his power hungry nature).

Spoiler: Reason here

Basically he lost some girl and wants power to protect

I doubt Dante would have "gone evil" but I also doubt he was always laughing things off (as the reboot clearly shows).

As for Dante's humour in general I liked how they did it in 3 and 4. And a few places in 5. It would get slightly morbid here and there but in a way that added to the seriousness of a situation (clearly). It felt fitting and made sense. When Dante Shakespear's Agnus in 4 it fits. He's using humour to challenge him and actually ask questions. In 3 he uses it to cope while treating a situation seriously (mainly Virgil). His humour in 5 was a little off putting at first. But it's with a reason behind it. Keeping things hidden from Nero. After that he's back to his old self laughing about Nero's missing arm.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

What I meant was his humour is part of his personality, he is a witty guy who plays stuff down but probably deals with it internally

I'm sure he gets bummed out , he cried for Vergil after 3's events after all

He just doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve like say Nero does

He can be serious too , look at him trying to protect Nero about Vergil in 5

Bottom line , he doesn't let negative things change or shape his path in bad ways , he doesn't stop his mission to kill demons to take a path of power and he doesn't turn bad

Having humour can help people deal with tense situations, it seems inappropriate but it's how they cope with tense moments so they don't panic or shut down

Don't forget he grew up without a mother and so he was probably never taught it was not appropriate to crack jokes when bad stuff happens

 

[Foxtrot94]

Dante was also left alone just like vergil

Dante wasn't left alone like Vergil was, he was helped by his mother, Eva hid him and gave him instructions on how to survive. Vergil was away playing in the park and Eva was killed before she could find him, so unlike Dante he got no help whatsoever and thought she outright abandoned him to his fate. He didn't know that she actually tried to find him and help him too, which is what Dante tries to explain to Urizen towards the end.

 

[Vergil95]

In dmc 5 before the nightmare it is also explained that after that incident mundus minion find vergil first and not dante because dante changed name and vergil doesn't... However vergil was able to defeat his minions because he had inherited Yamato when he was very young... Also since dmc 5 seems to have make Canon some part of the dmc novels and dmc 3 manga, there is this flashback scene in the manga that is similar to the dmc 5 scene, Eva hide dante behind some stone and tell him to never come out, and to hide and run no matter what, in this scene vergil is not present but is in another place and it s shown to be fighting mundus minion alone but in the end as a child there was little he could have done and he is stabbed by them, however he managed to survive... So if we take this in account, dante was well protected by his mother who motivated him to survive and change name while vergil got to fight alone and since he was an emotional person, that event signed him for his life, and from that moment onward he only tryed to survive no matter what, even by doing bad things... Also how do people address the anime episode 8 in all of Dante past? A mean that episode is pretty vague about the fact that Antony and dante are the same person or not, however by the end of the episode we can assume that they are one and the same, but it's strange since they never mentioned vergil and since Eva and dante lived in that city for many years I wonder were vergil was, and why Dante called himself antony, the only explanation I have is this: the dmc 5 flashback happened, dante go by himself and changed name in antony Redgrave, he was adopted by a women and they want to live in the city of episode 8 of the anime, than after fire trowing demon assaulted the city antony understand That he must run again like his mother told him... So the only explanation for me is that the women who sayd to be antony mother was not Eva but someone who adopted him after she died in Redgrave city...

 

[Taramafor]

he doesn't let negative things change or shape his path in bad ways , he doesn't stop his mission to kill demons to take a path of power and he doesn't turn bad

Again, that we KNOW of. What if he's so fixated on killing demons when reaching out to them might be the better approach? Thus "bloodlust" being evil. Nero himself is proof of this. And had Dante and Virgil fought to the death, which they VERY nearly did, would that not be argued to be the "bad" approach?

Another example would be if Nero defeats Urizen in the first fight. If that happens we're treated to an ending where everyone lives happily ever after... but Virgil would be dead and Nero wouldn't know his farther. And things ultimately end better when you lose that fight and Virgil is alive. Plus Nero has an arm again. So the whole "good/evil" thing is subjective.

And Dante never needed to "hunt for power". He knows it comes from within. Unlike with Virgil. That has nothing to do with good or evil though. Though hunting for it can easily make you evil, as is shown with Virgil. But again, Virgil wanted power for "good" reasons. At least at first. Then he kind of forgets the reason and just gets mad with power before Nero shows up. Reminds me of Darth Vader. By this point I imagine Virgil is starting to turn over a new leaf. With nero being the reason.

And I'm saying it again. Dante stated point blank that at first he "didn't give a damn". If being uncaring isn't bad then what is? Then Lady shows up and he starts his quest of demon hunting. We only know the events AFTER 3 (with every other game taking place after, baring the reboot. Which confirms he was mostly uncaring until 3).

Bottom line, he said it himself.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

In the anime Dante came across a non evil demon who fell in love with a human, he can sense intent

If he was so fixated on killing demons he wouldn't spare any no matter the circumstances

 

[Taramafor]

On the one hand Dante is pretty observant. Made some allies in 3 too.

On the other hand he gave up on his brother until Nero butted in (though understandable all things considered).

Maybe he just spares the naked guitar chicks.

Edit: Actually Dante never stated why he's fighting. Virgil does. I bring this up because V said "They disagree on the very nature of their existence".

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Dante started fighting as a way to get to the demon who killed his mother , he says that early on

Then he became a mercenary, followed by demon hunting

 

[Picard]

Dante started fighting as a way to get to the demon who killed his mother , he says that early on

Then he became a mercenary, followed by demon hunting

So basically, Dante started fighting to avenge the pain, and Vergil started fighting so that he will never have to experience it again? But how does that lead to "disagreeing on the very nature of their existence"? Revenge vs protection, maybe? Except it seems that, at some point, coin had flipped.