That flashback *Spoiler warning*

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Well in Dante's case it started as revenge , but became all he knows

And he continues to do it to protect the human world

Vergil is happy to kill people or let em die in pursuit of more power

 

[Taramafor]

So revenge was the FIRST reason. But after that he kind of doesn't have one other then "There's nothing else to do. Let's do more of what I did which is demon killing". Until Virgil shows up of course. Then it gets personal again. Notice how Dante is the first to engage his brother though (eg: he's the first to attack). That's explained in the reboot if I remember correctly. Virgil even hid himself as V for a bit. Which explains V's existence in 5 to some degree. It's a fitting metaphor to how Virgil might have been "shattered" after he lost someone. Nero's mother in other words.

As rough as Dante had it, it looks like Virgil had it worse. No wonder he went on a mad quest for power.

So Virgil fights... to try and protect those that matter. And Dante fights... For revenge? For the many over the few? I can't figure out his angle other then "I don't care anymore, I'm just going to lie here and fight each other so I don't have to do all the work".

... Dante, that's bloody genius! Doing good by being LAZY! Bwahahahaa!

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

If Dante was that nonchalant, he wouldn't have been so involved in patty's life , he takes almost no money for jobs clients give him , he lets lady and Trish live off him

He gave the title of devil may cry to Nero to go on his own

He gave yamato to Nero in 4 , entrusting it to him with his blessing

He kills demons and he likes to joke and be sarcastic, that doesn't stop him having a big heart and always doing the right thing


Vergil had trauma yes , but he had his wits about him and made conscious decisions to do all the bad things he has done

If a real life murderer kills people in lust for power , then ends up getting a split personality and the good personality feels bad about it (does that make it okay)?

 

[Taramafor]

I'm sure Lady and Trish pay rent. Plus they're well, ladies. And he's a guy. Just saying. I'd let them live me too. What kind of guy wouldn't jump at the chance to live with two chicks? Sex and pizza? Yes please.

And it's not about what I (or you) see as ok. That's your OWN call at the end of the day. It's more then that. But you keep trying to claim the moral high ground. The law lets killers go free and even bars are no replacement for guilt. What is legal can be wrong and what is illegal can be right. All depends on who you ask and the context of the situation. What would you do if someone shot your brother at a wedding and the law let them go? But to answer your question Dante and Nero seem to think it's ok considering they're not at Virgil's throat anymore (Nero more then Dante it seems). So there's that.

I'm also thinking maybe Dante had it worse at first after all. Virgil at least had a purpose. It was noble at first and ended twisted but it was a purpose all the same. Before 3 Dante didn't even have that. But after 3 he found it (which was more drilled in with events in 1?) He just never says what's important. Maybe he just had a crush on Mary at the time and decided to protect her. Something about Mary caused him to get his ass in gear. Despite the fact she shot him in the face. Dante's words are "Because of you I know what's important now". So was Mary the first person worth protecting? Baring Kat from the reboot but that was a long time ago at that point.

Regardless it's quite clear Virgil fights to protect those that matter to him, or at least never be in a position to lose them if/when they're gained (previously Nero's mother who likely died and now Nero himself). I'd say that's a pretty good reason. And Dante's reason is currently Mary, Trish, Nero and even Virgil himself. But before 3? Nada. Zero. Zilch. Where Virgil sought to make himself a "better person" Dante was eating pizza. That doesn't mean Dante was evil but it does mean Virgil was making the effort and Dante was not. Even if the execution was a tad messed up. But at least he was trying.

 

[Picard]

Well in Dante's case it started as revenge , but became all he knows

And he continues to do it to protect the human world

Vergil is happy to kill people or let em die in pursuit of more power

Essentially Vergil wanted power for the purpose of protection, but then forgot the purpose and started pursuing power for its own sake. Whereas Dante started killing demons for the purpose of revenge, but then forgot the purpose and started killing demons to help people. Really shows how similar they are, and how seemingly minor differences ended up making them complete opposites. And Nero is the same as Vergil, except for the fact that Kyrie did not die. In fact, Yuichiro Hiraki pointed out that, if it weren't for Kyrie, Nero would have ended up the same as Vergil, abandoning his humanity in search for MOAR POWAH! Daddy's boy, really. But Kyrie was there, and she survived, and Nero was able to maintain his connection to humanity.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

I'm not claiming any moral high ground lad , I'm pointing out Dante isn't in Vergils league for darkness

All this stems from your dislike of his humour and lack of information on what makes him tick

The point I'm making is ya he is a tool sometimes but his heart has always been in the right place , he fights for the thrill and will always protect the innocent and do the right thing

And Vergil based on years of past choices , doesn't


As for before 3 he was a teenager growing up without proper direction and a mercenary

How many 18-19 year olds do u know that are upstanding guys/girls and have great morals

And aren't party loving non caring immature fools?

He grew as a person with age and life


Vergil stuck with give me more power

 

[Picard]

Are you replying to me? I never claimed that you are claiming moral high ground, or that Dante is in Vergil's league for darkness. What I claimed is merely that they are not that different at the core, and that minor differences between them - differences in priorities, in emphasis - ended up creating completely different outcomes, completely different persons.

To continue on this, Dante and Vergil both had their hearts in the right place, initially, but Vergil eventually forgot what he was fighting for and started seeking power for its own sake. As you just wrote, Dante will protect the innocent and do the right thing, while Vergil eventually became so obsessed with acquiring power that he forgot the reason why he was trying to acquire power in the first place.

And my last point was that Nero is/was similar with Vergil, he wanted power, but unlike Vergil his quest for power was based around extant need for protecting people he needs to protect, whereas Vergil's was based around his failure to do so. Because of that, Nero never lost the sight of his purpose, never allowed his quest for power to distract him from what he wanted to achieve. Remember his line to Dante - "I need this". Need. He did not want Yamato because it was powerful, or because it was cool, but because he needed it to protect Kyrie, because he didn't feel he was able to do it with just his own power. But once he had no more need of it, once he had protected Kyrie from the greatest threat, he was fully prepared to abandon that power - to return Yamato to Dante.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

I'm replying to taramafor, read his last message and you will see why

 

[Picard]

Sorry, then. That being said, I will not be deleting my post as I believe it might be useful for others anyway.

 

[Carlos]

You basically listenened to absolutely nothing that I said. Everyone is entitled to come up with their own theories about certain circumstances because DMC practically welcomes that. And yes we all know that Trish isn’t Eva and was created by Mundus but they don’t ever really say how now do they? I could just assume whatever logic I like in regards to that matter. So @Carlos has every right to make up possible scenarios concerning Trish’s creation outside of in-game canon explaination which we were provided with as “I made her in your mother’s image”. That is, to me at least, quite vague.

Even the history video says similar messages...

This is already included in the game, in the game menu down on the bottom. It's not exactly the same one, but there's a similar one.

I have other ideas, like cheating. To me, the whole story revolves around 3 people, and three people only. Sparda, Mundus, and Eva. Why did Mundus set out to kill Sparda and his family, nobody really knows this, or how Sparda died. Who is Trish, and what was her previous context?

I wouldn't have had my own opinions or conclusions if I hadn't gone to where Eva hides her son, or how Trish seems to know too much, and seems to understand what's going on...

There is so many questions that aren't really answered. Trish is one of them. Once I saw how "V" came to being, I threw everything I knew about DMC right out the window. What if everything we know about DMC can change at any time? Forget the timeline thing, I'm talking about main story. At first, we assumed that Urizen was a new boss, but it's really Vergil's evil side. V was born that day, soooo... What if Eva was killed to create Trish?

We are talking about demons and the demon wold, ya know.

 

[Vergil95]

Even the history video says similar messages...

This is already included in the game, in the game menu down on the bottom. It's not exactly the same one, but there's a similar one.

I have other ideas, like cheating. To me, the whole story revolves around 3 people, and three people only. Sparda, Mundus, and Eva. Why did Mundus set out to kill Sparda and his family, nobody really knows this, or how Sparda died. Who is Trish, and what was her previous context?

I wouldn't have had my own opinions or conclusions if I hadn't gone to where Eva hides her son, or how Trish seems to know too much, and seems to understand what's going on...

There is so many questions that aren't really answered. Trish is one of them.

Can't

Even the history video says similar messages...

This is already included in the game, in the game menu down on the bottom. It's not exactly the same one, but there's a similar one.

I have other ideas, like cheating. To me, the whole story revolves around 3 people, and three people only. Sparda, Mundus, and Eva. Why did Mundus set out to kill Sparda and his family, nobody really knows this, or how Sparda died. Who is Trish, and what was her previous context?

I wouldn't have had my own opinions or conclusions if I hadn't gone to where Eva hides her son, or how Trish seems to know too much, and seems to understand what's going on...

There is so many questions that aren't really answered. Trish is one of them.

Mundus send his army to kill sparda family in an act of revenge against sparda who defeated mundus 2000 years ago... Trish know everything about demon world and mundus because he leaved in the demon world... It s alla stated in the devil may cry game... Did you play them? The only things that is open to interpretation is sparda death if he is really dead since in the devil may cry anime Is Stated by Modeus that he is probably still alive...

 

[Carlos]

Mundus send his army to kill sparda family in an act of revenge against sparda who defeated mundus 2000 years ago... Trish know everything about demon world and mundus because he leaved in the demon world... It s alla stated in the devil may cry game... Did you play them? The only things that is open to interpretation is sparda death if he is really dead since in the devil may cry anime Is Stated by Modeus that he is probably still alive...

So then, we'd have to dive even deeper than that to understand the motiviation. Why did Sparda and Mundus fight with each other...?

Right now, the history between Mundus and Sparda is a mystery, and I think that's the point. To create a legend, a myth around them... But Eva was his wife, so that would mean she existed 2000 years ago. From the story sysnopsis it says Trish is Mundus' daughter. But Dante feels like he's connected to her or feels like Trish is his mother under a different name. That last part, that's where I got it.

So, boo me all you want, the evidence is there pointing to a more complicated story. Case in point...

Guys you don’t all have to jump down @Carlos throat just for the post he made. And yes, Trish WAS a demon created by Mundus but what if he used actual parts of Eva like her soul or something and embodied them into Trish when he created her? DMC can be very vague and just saying “I created an image of your mother” to sum up how Trish came into existence is not hugely explanatory and from memory was something that wasn’t really touched upon. So I can agree that although she is a demon created by Mundus that perhaps there could be some logic to assume that Eva’s soul/spirit whatever you want to call it could also be within Trish when Mundus created her. It’s not a far fetched theory and would further implicate Mundus’ hatred towards the Sparda bloodline because he didn’t just create something that was in her image he would’ve created something that essentially is/was Eva only evil and demonic.

Either way it doesn’t matter if any of what’s been said holds any weight or not. The point is not to have a go at people for thinking or believing something might be different.

 

[Vergil95]

So then, we'd have to dive even deeper than that to understand the motiviation. Why did Sparda and Mundus fight with each other...?

Right now, the history between Mundus and Sparda is a mystery, and I think that's the point. To create a legend, a myth around them... But Eva was his wife, so that would mean she existed 2000 years ago. From the story sysnopsis it says Trish is Mundus' daughter. But Dante feels like he's connected to her or feels like Trish is his mother under a different name. That last part, that's where I got it.

So, boo me all you want, the evidence is there pointing to a more complicated story. Case in point...

OK first of all you should not read anithyng on the internet, summary Wikipedia ecc only play the game... Because a lot of crap existed in internet...
Play the game, that s the true Canon...
Mundus was the emperor of the demon world and wanted to rule on the human world, sparda was his right hand man and best sworrmanship in the demon world, however sparda had a noble heart and saw the crudelty of mundus and decided to oppose him... Alone, sparda defeated the army of mundus and sealed the emperor himself... Sparda than lived in the human world as a protector and 2000 years after this event he met a woman named Eva and merrier her and have two twin... So no Eva doesn't exist 2000 years ago... After 2000 years the seal that spard put on the demon world went weaker and mundus managed to free himself and send his army to kill sparda s wife Eva and his child in an act of revenge for what sparda did 2000 years ago to mundus... Sparda is no where to be found, alive or dead this is up to speculation, without sparda protection Eva was killed but sparda s son survived... Mundus tua created Trish who is a full demon created in the image of sparda s wife Eva to lure dante to mallet Island in dmc 1...so this is basically the story... If you want to know more read the Canon dmc 5 before th nightmare novel, explain many thing about Trish and mundus

 

[Carlos]

OK first of all you should not read anithyng on the internet, summary Wikipedia ecc only play the game... Because a lot of crap existed in internet...
Play the game, that s the true Canon...

I'm not getting the ideas from just the "internet," it's everything. This site, wikipedia (in small doses), some from youtube, and playing the games.

Mundus was the emperor of the demon world and wanted to rule on the human world, sparda was his right hand man and best sworrmanship in the demon world, however sparda had a noble heart and saw the crudelty of mundus and decided to oppose him... Alone, sparda defeated the army of mundus and sealed the emperor himself...

Okay, so kinda like what we have here with DMC5.

Sparda than lived in the human world as a protector and 2000 years after this event he met a woman named Eva and merrier her and have two twin... So no Eva doesn't exist 2000 years ago... After 2000 years the seal that spard put on the demon world went weaker and mundus managed to free himself and send his army to kill sparda s wife Eva and his child in an act of revenge for what sparda did 2000 years ago to mundus... Sparda is no where to be found, alive or dead this is up to speculation, without sparda protection Eva was killed but sparda s son survived... Mundus tua created Trish who is a full demon created in the image of sparda s wife Eva to lure dante to mallet Island in dmc 1...so this is basically the story... If you want to know more read the Canon dmc 5 before th nightmare novel, explain many thing about Trish and mundus

There's still a lot of mysteries about Trish and Dante. That's the crux of what I was saying. Yes, she's a creation of Mundus, but what else...? We know damn near nothing about her.

Let me put it this way, when Vergil (albeit hooded), stabbed himself, he split himself in two parts, one is his humanizing teenager side (V), and the other is the evil demon seeping inside of Vergil. Before that, Vergil was weak in a sense. What if Mundus did this with someone...? You'd have to have sex with a woman to create this "image" of a lady. I doubt that Mundus had sex with anyone to create Trish. You catch my drift now?

Even in some scenes, Dante references "if you are who I think you are" when he refers to Urizen. When V briefed Dante on the job, V was close to saying "Vergil."

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

She is a lightning based demon , lives off Dante a bit lol and has a dark heart that Dante filled with liiiiiiggggght

Sorry I had to

 

[Carlos]

She is a lightning based demon , lives off Dante a bit lol and has a dark heart that Dante filled with liiiiiiggggght

Sorry I had to

lol. funny man.

 

[Vergil95]

I'm not getting the ideas from just the "internet," it's everything. This site, wikipedia (in small doses), some from youtube, and playing the games.

Okay, so kinda like what we have here with DMC5.

There's still a lot of mysteries about Trish and Dante. That's the crux of what I was saying. Yes, she's a creation of Mundus, but what else...? We know damn near nothing about her.

Let me put it this way, when Vergil (albeit hooded), stabbed himself, he split himself in two parts, one is his humanizing teenager side (V), and the other is the evil demon seeping inside of Vergil. Before that, Vergil was weak in a sense. What if Mundus did this with someone...? You'd have to have sex with a woman to create this "image" of a lady. I doubt that Mundus had sex with anyone to create Trish. You catch my drift now?

Even in some scenes, Dante references "if you are who I think you are" when he refers to Urizen. When V briefed Dante on the job, V was close to saying "Vergil."

Mundus is the emperor of the underworld and the demon, he can create demon, like he create the blitz from dmc 4, the frost, the blade, the nightmare and the Angelo in dmc 1... He didn't make sex with anyone, he simply created them, maybe he snaps his finger and create demon like he create fire, lighting Ecc and a completely new dimension in the final battle with dante in dmc 1... Mundus created Trish and that s all, there is no mistery around her, she care for Dante because before he meet dante she was just an evil demon like the other demon mundus created but when dante almost sacrifice himself to save Trish her heart changed and now she is fighting whit dante... And trust me play only the game and see the anime, YouTube only say **** like Wikipedia ecc

 

[berto]

Who is Trish, and what was her previous context?

You are over complicating and overthinking things. Adding meaning where there is none. Mundus created her and he even offered to create as many as Dante wanted. There is not previous context. She know what she know for the same reason she can speak and fight and knows how to ride a bike, because she was created with that knowledge. Except for that last part I said this is very common knowledge in the cannon.

Here's an official source, just in case:
Excerpt from the Trinity of Fates book:
D E V I L -M A Y - C R Y - 1 - : - C O L U M N

Existing in the heart forever, the pure love of a mother

- Trish was made by Mundus as a living copy of Dante's mother, as bait to lure Dante out. When the two of them met, there was a gruesome battle, covered with the spray of blood. Mundus' plan worked wonderfully; when Dante saw that Trish had his mother's face he started to trust her.

Why did Mundus set out to kill Sparda and his family

Well, Mundus didn't kill Sparda and he killed his family for vengeance. Sparda's cause of death is probably never mentioned because it's irrelevant; it's not how he died but that he died.

What if Eva was killed to create Trish?

Then there'd be more solid evidence and Trish wouldn't have to go out of her way to tell V she's not his mommy.

Why did Sparda and Mundus fight with each other...?

Sparda awoke to justice and didn't want Mundus ruling over the human world. Again, this is all very basic stuff.

What if Mundus did this with someone...? You'd have to have sex with a woman to create this "image" of a lady. I doubt that Mundus had sex with anyone to create Trish. You catch my drift now?

What? Have you not heard of clone or, in this case, homunculi? It's fiction. Horror fiction. You don't have to make anything the old fashion way if you don't want to. To make a demon that looks like this other person out of thin air and make her any age you want all it takes is a 'why not?' It's not even that hard to conceive.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Mundus created his own universe in DMC1 , kamiya himself stated it that is power to warp reality

So creating a demon in the image of Dante's mother would be nothing to him

 

[Goldsickle]

The whole flashback is a metaphor.

Because in order to escape the danger he's in, Dante must come out of the closet.

Ha ha ha ha.