DmC and DMC
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ToCool74
"Fair" DmC Skeptic
ps
LOl saw this coming from a mile away.
But just to elaborate on something, for it to be a "flame war" both parties would be required to be throwing insults at one another.
Otherwise its just simple "flaming" from 1 party.
Just be clear on things.
8BitHero
Scrub
*Munching*
|*Om nom nom nom*- Ah hey! *Om nom*.
OK so three hours on(not quite one), you couldn't prove it but can only come to an assumption that I was directing my message towards a certain user. Having no proof but making an assumption and then reporting to mods, definitely sounds like abuse of the report button. Is it possible to report other users for improper use of the report button?
I'd also like to point that whether you like it not, my initial point was still true. ALSO ALSO pointing out easy broken logic counts as a flame war now?
|*Om nom nom nom*- Ah hey! *Om nom*.
OK so three hours on(not quite one), you couldn't prove it but can only come to an assumption that I was directing my message towards a certain user. Having no proof but making an assumption and then reporting to mods, definitely sounds like abuse of the report button. Is it possible to report other users for improper use of the report button?
I'd also like to point that whether you like it not, my initial point was still true. ALSO ALSO pointing out easy broken logic counts as a flame war now?
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
Sorry, wrong. I don't know where you heard that extra f*ck in the Poison scene. She says it, he says it back, she yells it and then pukes. Then Dante kills her. And I mentioned him writing it down, didn't I? And I'm sorry you think that way, but one thing constantly mentioned by NT is how this Dante grows and changes, becoming a more refined and compassionate individual - more like the Dante we know and love. Just because it's an alternate universe doesn't mean they can't try to keep his personality intact. Just think about how all the Spider-Man's have cracked wise through all the different universes. The only difference here is that because of Dante's troubled childhood, that classic Dante personality is altered slightly. It's still there, however.
Anyway, whatever. Do as you please.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
Who were you directing your previous comment toward, anyway? I don't have a problem with swearing in games or whichever medium it may be. I just think it gets old when you say it three times. I believe Poison said it twice, and Dante said it once and wrote it on a guest list, that's right.
But good for you; there should be more people who stand up for themselves and what they believe.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
Yes, that's right. Well, they're all the same to me anyway. I don't care who said 'f***', I care about how it's supposed to be cool or funny, according to NT.
I really doubt they would change this Dante's personality. The old Dante's personality didn't really change either; that was the whole point of DMC. Or was he suddenly a scholar by DMC4? I sure hope this game is considered to be a spin-off, not the actual DMC. Because if it's considered to be DMC, they just threw away something that didn't need to be thrown away.
Edit: To the next poster: throwing in a a supposedly 'funny' GIF is not the way to show your intelligence. Sorry.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
It's Capcom Unity all over again only reversed...
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
You're very far behind.
DmC is an alternate game. It doesn't affect the original canon. And yes, it's kind of a spin off, but if people want more of it, then it will be more then that.
Dante's character never really change?
May I refer you to this man here.
DmC Dante is different than DMC Dante, but not by alot. He's more mean-spirited and uses more curse-words, but that's about it. As NT mentioned, DmC Dante will grow and mature during the game, so he might end up resembling DMC Dante alot more, but we do not know that for sure. However, DmC is not canon to the original DMC series. It's a reboot, a spin-off, call it what you want.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
You're very far behind.
DmC is an alternate game. It doesn't affect the original canon. And yes, it's kind of a spin off, but if people want more of it, then it will be more then that.
Dante's character never really change?
May I refer you to this man here.
The whole idea of DMC was that Dante (the more human side of Sparda's soul, versus Vergil, the cooler demonic side) would prevail. Sure, his character might change a bit, but not so substantially that it's worth mentioning. He's Dante in DMC3, and he's still the same in DMC4. I don't care about the manga, I'm talking about the games.
Yes, I know DmC takes place in an alternate universe, according to NT. That doesn't mean the DMC series will continue. Actually, it's very likely DMC will never return. It does affect what Devil May Cry will be remembered as; its legacy, and I and many other people would appreciate it if that legacy were left unspoiled by DmC.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
How can it be a legacy if the series wasn't even up there with games like GOW or even Ninja Gaiden? At best it paved the way for Hack n' Slash genre, but then it turned into "Stylish" genre, and now it's "Brutal+Stylish" genre.
8BitHero
Scrub
Yeah I get your point about how it can sound annoying after a while. Repeating the same phrase can be annoying whether it's swearing or not. But, I was directing my point to anyone who had an issue with swearing in DmC and considered it to be bad/a negative point about the game.
Look at my post anyway. I don't just say "I disagree, scrub". I say "I disagree" and list FIVE individual reasons as to why you're(whoever I'm talking to) wrong about swearing being bad in DmC. I then get reported.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
I think you're taking the word 'legacy' a bit too serious. What I mean by legacy is 'that which it's known to be, and what it will be remembered as'. I didn't mean it in the sense that it was a groundbreaking game. All I'm saying is, respect should be paid to the games, and they shouldn't be revived just for the sake of it.
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
The only reason it would be respected is the people who hyperbolically claim things like "SERIES RUINED" and all that crap.
Seriously, we're all the ones who decide how a legacy is remembered, and if everyone would take their heads out of their asses, quit whining, and learn to just accept things, the legacy wouldn't be tainted. It's a different game, apart from the classic series. It doesn't ruin what came before it unless you people keep. ****ing. Saying it does.
Seriously, we're all the ones who decide how a legacy is remembered, and if everyone would take their heads out of their asses, quit whining, and learn to just accept things, the legacy wouldn't be tainted. It's a different game, apart from the classic series. It doesn't ruin what came before it unless you people keep. ****ing. Saying it does.
Stylish Nero
We Dem Boys!!
I don't care if we get a DMC5, I don't care if they replace Dante with Nero or some black dude or an Asian chick, I don't care if they make a DmC2, I don't care if.........I ran out of "I don't care"s but what I do care is if we get a GREAT DMC that surpasses DMC3 and regains its spot as King of Hack n' Slash games and to do that is to drop NINJA THEORY......whether Capcom do it themselves or hire a better company (Platinum Games, Team Ninja, ANYONE ELSE with a better track record). Though DmC does supply the game entry with rather creative and useful ideas that can be used to make a better game but their lack to adapt and use a far superior game engine for the sake of "PRETTY VISUALS AND DYNAMIC SHAPE SHIFTING ENVIRONMENTS HERPADERPDERP" that Capcom can in fact easily do with their own engine with tons of less glitches...in fact probably no glitches is a reason that I as Capcom would drop them. Maybe if it was Resident Evil, Lost Planet, 3rd person-shooter, or non-fighting/action game like DMC I can understand.
What about story? I'm not impressed by DmC's story, its basically another DMC game's story but the only difference is that explain stuff more and from a Western standpoint.
Tameem and NT are idiots when they were talking about Western vs Eastern storytelling. They make it out that Japanese writers all write like Hideki Kamiya (who is a bad writer) or Bayonetta but obviously ignored moments of Japanese brilliancy that exceeds most writing in Western games mainly Metal Gear Solid 4 (Hideo Kojima) as well as brilliant Japanese manga writers like Hiromu Arakawa (Fullmetal Alchemist), Eichiro Oda (One Piece), Tsugumi Ohba (Death Note & Bakuman), and Atsushi Okubo (Soul Eater) and even Masashi Kishimoto (Naruto) regardless how you feel of his writing can probably come up with a far better script than anything Ninja Theory can do on their own. In fact Ninja Theory for the past 2 games that were praised for their story telling weren't even written by them but instead PROFESSIONAL writers.
What about story? I'm not impressed by DmC's story, its basically another DMC game's story but the only difference is that explain stuff more and from a Western standpoint.
Tameem and NT are idiots when they were talking about Western vs Eastern storytelling. They make it out that Japanese writers all write like Hideki Kamiya (who is a bad writer) or Bayonetta but obviously ignored moments of Japanese brilliancy that exceeds most writing in Western games mainly Metal Gear Solid 4 (Hideo Kojima) as well as brilliant Japanese manga writers like Hiromu Arakawa (Fullmetal Alchemist), Eichiro Oda (One Piece), Tsugumi Ohba (Death Note & Bakuman), and Atsushi Okubo (Soul Eater) and even Masashi Kishimoto (Naruto) regardless how you feel of his writing can probably come up with a far better script than anything Ninja Theory can do on their own. In fact Ninja Theory for the past 2 games that were praised for their story telling weren't even written by them but instead PROFESSIONAL writers.
mrrandomlulz
Monsuuuta moonssuta mo mo mo mo monsuuta
Anyone who's played Legend of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, knows Japan is superior when it comes to making story for a video game.
Hideki Kamiya isn't a BAD writer, he just needs a bit of guidance, he's like the Rob Liefield of video games, he can create great characters (Deadpool/Dante, though it can easily be argued that Deadpool was truely created by Joe Kelly, and Rob just laid out the design for the character) but he needs guidance when it comes to story.
Don't believe me?
Read Deadpool Corps, Rob Liefield helped work on that one, and to this day, it remains one of Deadpool's most popular runs.
Kamiya is like Liefield mixed with Stan Lee. He can only write anime grade stories without guidance, but damn he can create great characters
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
Devil May Cry will be replaced by DmC, which is not a Devil May Cry game, really. So, basically, they're throwing DMC away. Sadly, this generation and probably future generations will play a so-called Devil May Cry (DmC) - an impostor. So maybe it doesn't ruin what came before, but it certainly disposes of it, which is bad enough.
Grey-Frog
Well-known Member
All I'll say to you Lionheart is I can't see the future and neither can you. All your comments are doing is riling up people on both sides of the fence with no basis whatsoever. There is NOTHING, NOTHING that said DMC is dead. And NOTHING that says DmC is taking over.
If you dislike DmC and think it's a bad game, fair enough. But don't claim for a second that it's the end of the classic DMC series. At best that's your opinion. At worse it's you spreading your own agenda in order to cause a even bigger rift and argument between fans of both games.
I don't do this often, but you'll be on my ignore list from this point on.
Stylish Nero
We Dem Boys!!
He can only create Dante-like characters that is WHY he is a BAD writer. Outside Amateratsu (who really had no personality or a character trait) every main character he has made has been basically another Dante (RE4 Leon, Viewtiful Joe, & Bayonetta). His other characters aren't all that greatly written and just comes off as unmemorable cliches or have no depth. His story writing skill is questionable as DMC1 was filed with pure bullsh*t writing and RE4 out of all the RE might have the worst writing out of the all RE games and you can say what about Operation Racoon City....I respond that ORC was never meant to be taken seriously or is even canon its even a "big what if" scenario and even then RE4 is still filed with more plot holes than ORC and VJ & Bayonetta are obviously not meant to be taken seriously in anyway. Okami was the best thing he wrote (though simple but full of meaningful symbolism).
But he is a game designer and not a writer and he should acknowledge that like Itsuno who doesn't write the story but have professionals do it (that is why DMC3 has the best story out of the 4 games.....DMC4 was Kobayashi's fault) and focus on what he does best.....gameplay.
V
Oldschool DMC fan
I dunno, there's hope yet. DMC3 came after DMC2 after all, when they went back to the series' strong points after a generally negative reaction to 2. DMC2 didn't shape the course of the series that much. Depends on the sales of this one what kind of impact it will have on the IP's future
If it sells poorly, maybe CAPCOM will take a cue (like with RE6 I hope) and put more effort into improving it, or giving the buyer base what they actually want. Or maybe they'll cry in a corner. Not sure which, going by their reactions to this whole thing.