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Shall look into this and mention it to @Steve too.

 

[Taramafor]

If i make a topic on steam about mod abuse/online dangers are you on board?

Steam's got more progress. Lewis (one of the steam mods) was the only one to stop and think. If they ignore "danger and death" (which they did) then cops could get involved. Lewis is the one going "feedback". Pay attention and cops **** off.

Lewis made a smart call. Because he's linked me to suggestions/feedback on steam I can say "This is a mods idea". It's a golden ticket here. To stress online dangers.

Just need everyone to have an opinion in the next topic I make on steam. Since mods here can invite unpopuler opinions that might help with that topic on steam. Everyone has an opinion, right?

The more people on board the better. I grew up knowing a lot of people being abused. Much of it can happen online. This isn't something I just ignore.

 

[Taramafor]

Silence people less. Here's why. :: Steam Community

steamcommunity.com

There's the steam link.

I am controlling steam mods right now. Pounced.org was taken down for a reason. Silk Road too. It's not that there was danger. It's that danger was IGNORED.

What did steam mods ignore? Mod abuse. I made a topic about it before. It was deleted of course. Proved my point. They gave me evidence. Now I'm working WITH the problem. Now they have to cooperate with me, even if they give "robot responses". I know they're paying attention at this point. Properly this time.

They're backing off a bit. I made it clear I have a brain. They're taking note of it. It's something of a silent agreement. They don't give me more flak and I don't play the cop card. They know I control them at this point. They ignored "danger and death" in tickets. I have the tickets in my e-mail. Would be so easy to abuse that. But what would that prove? I have a better idea.

I'm going to need a hand though.

I get through to discord mods. So I know their tactics. "Gawking from afar" doesn't mean you know more though. It just means you don't ask.
See the name of this topic. Exactly the right idea.

People will only see the bigger picture if more people using logic and brains join in. In regards to "public conversations" about online abuse. People get biased when it comes to one person. I need more support here. Keep in mind mods/admins confirmed sanity and lives is in danger online when concerns are ignored.

If it was you in that situation then you'd do one of two things.
1: Speak up/fight back. 2: Suffer in silence.
People often go with 2. I always go with 1.
People often DEFEND 2. I will always fight against that. "wallowing in silence" only works if someone is being a "supportive" presence. Not a **** listener. Can people please understand the difference?

People will fear me. Hate me. Let 'em. I'm not stopping. I'm not giving up. So why would you?

People want you to stop. They want you to give up. They'll make snarky comments about showing you a door. It's because they's JEALOUS of you. People hate you because they hate their own inability. Just remember, if people try to stop you then it's because you have something they want. They just might not understand what it is yet. Use it to your advantage. Example: Steam mods gave me the ammo with their tickets. Of how danger was ignored. They gave in to fear. I. Have. Ammo. They gave it to me. I'm locked and loaded now.

See what I mean? You can do that too. They're just lucky I'd rather fight my own battles. And if I lead by that example they'll start to pick up on it at some point. That's the whole point. "Fight back". But do it in my face. Got a problem? Bring it to my face. Bring it on. Just do it to my face.

You can see a conversation I had with an ex mod in the link. Even mods agree with me at that point. They'd caution against blind agreements.

I've stared down the barrel of guns inside my own home. That is less concerning. I AM the danger. I love danger. I enjoy it. So if I say "danger" then how much danger do you think there is?
Ahem. Danger.

If people just take that topic a little more seriously (it's slowly happening) then it can have an impact. The focus is on "pay attention". Not "Punish stupid mods with more rules". I could go to the cops. I choose not too right now. Because blindly following rules is not what cops are trained for. Mods pretend they're cops. They're ****ing not.

I'm slowly gaining ground. But I need more support.

1: When do mods ask?
This topic is a good example of that. Feedback is "two way communication".
That's the problem isn't it? That people don't ask. But who asks?

2: When do mods HOLD a conversation?
Things go better when they do. This is a complication with steam mods. How are concerns supposed to be addressed if the mods can't even hold a conversation?
If even just one could hold a conversation in chat then I could get through to them. But they'd better be willing to hold the hardest of talks. Day to day works best. Someone that can "be there".

Think of it like this. If you jump ahead then you repeat mistakes. Slow down and you learn more. Right now steam mods aren't stupid enough to silence me in a public topic. But I need more people on board when mistakes happen because of people blindly following rules. If steam mods aren't trying to silence me, if people ask questions in the topic, then I see it as progress. I need more support to get the ball rolling properly though.

It can quite literary save lives. Plus it might get people to realize that games can mean more again. Arguments are actually important. Otherwise people don't connect and bond properly.

Right now steam mods are doing "robot responses". But they are watching. I think they want to see something too. Some sign that people pay attention. Both mods and users are wondering if there's a point in trying. There is one. I can't just tell you what that point is though. But effort does get results. Otherwise nothing gets done.

Now, are people going to help me with this? If not then I'll have to keep talking about it.

 

[Taramafor]

Why don't mods ask more?

See the problem?

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Don't want to jinx it, but i think maybe the issue is resolved as everything is working fine again now @Steve @berto @Meg
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Not sure what you did, but thank you.

 

[Taramafor]

Steam locked tickets. Found out they only give pre-determined messages in tickets to try and not offend people.
People trade comfort for honesty.

Going to stay focused on F-chat. The mods on F-chat ignore concerns and try to avoid communication, but at least they have human beings behind the keyboards.

Here's the topic about it. https://devilmaycry.org/threads/help.25730/

Question: Why does no one help?

Bonus question: Are the mods just not on the site much, or just not saying anything when they see? I can't afford to give anyone the benefit of the doubt right now.
If mods on other sites repeatedly ignored, danger, sanity and death when good intentions gets people killed from ignorance then you might be jaded too. I KNOW the F-chat mods noticed. They're just in denial and need a shove. From other people. I can't do this on my own.

 

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[Taramafor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/FList/comments/1fysmia/_/lr2wcw5
Why are people ignoring this?

Why is no one helping me whe danger, abuse and death is ignored?

Mods on this site: If you really are as understanding as you have claimed to be in the past, then can I get some support with this? F-chat mods ignore concerns to that extent.

I do know the danger. I have every reason to beleive peoples sanity and lives are in danger from good intentions and ignoance.

I need to speak with the F-chat mods. Can you help me do that? I'm trying not to phone the cops here.

 

[Meg]

https://www.reddit.com/r/FList/comments/1fysmia/_/lr2wcw5
Why are people ignoring this?

Why is no one helping me whe danger, abuse and death is ignored?

Mods on this site: If you really are as understanding as you have claimed to be in the past, then can I get some support with this? F-chat mods ignore concerns to that extent.

I do know the danger. I have every reason to beleive peoples sanity and lives are in danger from good intentions and ignoance.

I need to speak with the F-chat mods. Can you help me do that? I'm trying not to phone the cops here.

I messaged the rest of the staff regarding your concerns. Since we’re not on the forums very often, it’s going to take some time before they see this and for us to figure out what we should do. Please take it easy while we hash this out.

 

[Taramafor]

I messaged the rest of the staff regarding your concerns. Since we’re not on the forums very often, it’s going to take some time before they see this and for us to figure out what we should do. Please take it easy while we hash this out.

Thanks. I'll try to fill in some blanks. I'll do a bullet point list first. If you got any questions about any of what I state here just ask.

1: I once lost someone to suicide online due to lack of communicaiton and "just roleplay". I had to learn from that. It's why I push for communication more. Online is never "safe". Danger doesn't have to be a bad thing.
2: I have real talks online. Due to the above. Goes a lot better. Until abusive mods are control freaks at least. Just means they already lost control. Fear is NEVER control.
3: A few misunderstandings with some people happened due to them avoiding commnication. It seems a report or two caused the mods to get paranoid.
4: People thank me for telling them I'm the danger. It's more honest. What are the mods worrying about then?
5: The moment I got banned was when I was talking in the dragon room about "Why treat anyone as if they don't even exist". All that happened is that one person got a bit confussed and another hugged it out with me because they understood. Zephy understood. I'd get banned shortly after.
6: I know what, specifically, drives people into destructive situations. It's very specific things.
7: Control isn't forced. That's just the illusion of control. The mods fear of others being involved is exactly why it happened. "Fear itself." Refer to point 2.
8: People with suicidal tendencies, from the site, were put in the middle. All because the mods didn't try to hold a conversation with me. It's only ever been "Last word in" with them. It only proves how wrong the F-chat mods are when they cling to assumptions and lies.
9: One of the mods admitted to mishandling me. This is a COMMUNICATION situation. Not a "Keep being a control freak" situation. Again, they didn't try to hold a conversation. the stupid idiots keep falling for the ILLUSION of control. Oh, I'm going to enjoy breaking them now. They brought this on themselves.
10: Holding conversations does work when people HOLD those conversations. Just got to hold them down somehow. If people resist then one must persist. It's the absuive F-chat mods that are resisting. they're not in control. They're pretending. Lying to themselves. Let's remind them of that.
11: ex mods caution against blindly agreeing with everything. Refer to point 1. What if the F-chat mods have done it without even realizing? It almost slipped my attention. What if this has happend repeatedly? That's my concern here.
12: agreements aren't forced. People will tick those agree boxes regardless. Blindly following rules is dangerous. It can and does cost people their sanity and lives. This is very common. Online and in real life alike. QUESTION this. It's your sanity. Consider it. Because I do.
13: People don't know what's best if they can't even ask or try to understand. Being demanding/entitled is NOT how to do it. use force, sure, but not like that.
14: When people avoid communication they are no longer able to make clear, well informed decisions. In which case hunt down cowards until communication. And if people take issue with being called cowards then consider that only the truth will bother you.
15: I do know the danger better. I never block anyone online. I have a good memory. It's quite keen. I can remember the most subtle of details. I think people are afraid of being caught when they're in denial. It's all that makes sense.
16: F-chat mods keep voiding talking about the danger of good intentions. People haved died because of good intentions. Refer to point 12. Context: It's better to be honest about bad intentions. Everyone is guilty.
17: Trying to avoid communication is tryng to avoid accountability. This is conflict avoidance/stonewall abuse. It's not JUST abuse though. It's the WORST form of abuse. Which I would not do to anyone, for any reason. People don't understand the danger. I do.
18: Problem? FACE! If those mods didn't want others involved then why did they put me in a situation where I had no other choice but to involve other people? They chose that.
19: The F-chat mods are very black and white about things. Other people won't speak up because why would they if they refuse to even listen? My main concern here is how people suffer in silence. I know what that does to people. There's also topics about F-chat from 7 years ago talking about how the good mods left.
20: I talked to cops at this point. I'm a hairs breath from informing them about the danger of F-chat ignoring concerns to that extent. If I say "danger" and "Good intentions can get people killed from ignorance", and no one says anything about it, then my concern is for the sanity/lives of the people on the site.
21: Other mods confirm my concerns. You seem to be understanding mods as well from what I have seen. I grew up knowing XXX kind of abuse myself.
22: I state "Holding conversations is backed up by threapists". People still pretend I should just "go away" (users on reddit. Mods themselves have't stated that). So, what, they think they know better then what is backed up by the professionals themselves?
23: At no point have I ever avoided, blocked or pretended to be innocent. Did the F-chat mods ban themselves for being "danger" then? Of course not. The rules don't exist for "you". They exist ONLY for them.
24: Mods in the hell sim on Second Life understand better. I had this good understanding talk with a mod there once. They just reached out to me and asked me if I was ok. We talked about online danger/mod abuse and they were undertanding and confirmed my concerns. The cops that talked to me asked if they could help me too. Trying to fish of course. But I told them I know their tactics. We laughed. Things aren't as scary as people fear. Just don't trust the fear. Fear is a lie. Can't just magically get people to overcome it of course, but just keeping it in mind helps a lot. It means "You assume".
25: F-chat mods have been different each time. So there's this big communication gap due to none of them holding a conversation with me. They don't seem to realize they are what they hate. I get people to realize that when holding the harder conversations. But the conversations must be HELD. See point 22
26: I'm the kind of person that will sit there all week to address concerns if I have too. In chat. etc. Mods are ignoring the people on their own site. Not just me.
27: Steam and Ferzu have it worse. But that's another story. Noticed how no mods speaking with "the people" causes bigger problems? It all comes back to lack of communication. Refer to point 25.
28: These problems don't happen in places where people aren't being control freaks. People just play. Without it being forced. Likely because people aren't "stuck" with concerns.
29: People break the rules they make. See the problem? Refer to point 23.
30: The problem is expectations.

Know what I expect?
Nothing.

In short, people fear their own reflection. That's ALL you can fear. That fear does not rule me.

I'm going to see how this plays out for now. Just so you know, I do have good relations with the cops. We laugh and ****.

So what are people even worrying about?