Would Old Vergil have killed Lilith?

[DragonMaster2010]

Well there were some episodes of the anime I actually did like.

I liked episode 2, 5, 9, 10, and 12.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I stopped watching after the second show.

Oni-chii oni-chii oni-chii...!

 

[Darkstar Darin]

Yup. No doubt. Especially since Demons killed Eva.

 

[>>Yamato<<]

Vergil from the manga would've killed Lilith no problem. Probably with a gun to. He dosn't really care. If we're talking DMC3 Vergil, then he would've killed Lilith without a gun. Lilith wouls have a summoned sword to the knee and Yamato through the heart. :blink: How new Vergil SHOULD'VE killed her. But modern society told him no! :dead:

 

[>>Yamato<<]

Also on the subject, did Mundus know Vergil was the one who shot Lilith? Because he was angry and Dante because "you killed my child" (or somthing) and then Dante said he shot Lilith. I know he said that to make Mundus angry, but still.

 

[Loopy]

Also on the subject, did Mundus know Vergil was the one who shot Lilith? Because he was angry and Dante because "you killed my child" (or somthing) and then Dante said he shot Lilith. I know he said that to make Mundus angry, but still.

No Mundus didn't know. All he knew was that his kid was dead. I guess he assumed it was Dante who did it because Dante was the one who sent the video to Mundus saying he had Lilith.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I believe Mundus knew that either Dante or "Vergil" killed her, but it didn't really matter.

The thing is that Vergil spent 98% of DmC not drawing attention to himself, so using Summon Swords would put a little too much emphasis on him. Vergil used Dante, since Mundus only knew of one Nephilim (Dante) so that Mundus wouldn't see Vergil as a threat.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Vergil from the manga would've killed Lilith no problem. Probably with a gun to. He dosn't really care. If we're talking DMC3 Vergil, then he would've killed Lilith without a gun. Lilith wouls have a summoned sword to the knee and Yamato through the heart. :blink: How new Vergil SHOULD'VE killed her. But modern society told him no! :dead:

No not being discovered by Mundus and having common sense told him to.

 

[Stylish Nero]

It depends.

DmC Vergil killed Lilith because he saw it as an opportunity to enrage Mundus and rendering him more vulnerable because he knew he couldn't Mundus any other way or saw this way as the "Best" method of getting Mundus away from the Hell Gate. He saw and opportunity and take it.

If it was DMC Vergil it would be based under what circumstances. DmC Vergil and Dante had Lilith as an hostage and made a deal to exchange her and her baby for Kat. Different universes and takings produces different results and characterization.

Say in DMC Mundus actually knocked up a demon named Lilith and she is pregnant with his child that Mundus a lot about and Vergil knew this and knew Mundus was the one who killed his mother. Since Dante and Vergil never saw eye to eye at all I doubt they'll formulate a plan to capture her and there is no one semi-important to Vergil that Mundus can kidnap for him to get Dante to care and since he saw himself as superior to Dante if Dante wanted to rescue said person Vergil would let him go while Vergil find another way to defeat Mundus.

It also depends on what situation he encounters Lilith. Vergil only cut down those who get in his way (or those who goes against his orders or disappoints him) and he is shown to be rather indifferent to women, ignoring Lady despite her being a reason why his plans failed and calling Alice a "painted whore".

Then there are their characteristics. DMC Vergil is power hungry and seeks to solve his problems by getting stronger and doing things the way Sparda did it or how he saw Sparda doing things while DmC Vergil will do anything to get achieve his goals. DmC Vergil is more sneaky and manipulative as well as secretive while DMC Vergil is pretty straight forward. DMC Vergil didn't even run away from facing Mundus when he was losing and after he received major injuries from Dante.

But okay just putting DMC Vergil in the same situation as DmC Vergil is near impossible due to their opposing characteristics would prevent DMC Vergil from even ending up in the same situation as DmC Vergil. You'll have to completely alter DMC Vergil's characteristics to make it fit into the context of the story.

DMC Vergil would never recruit a team of humans, since he hates humans or finds them weak, to fight a demon empire. He would do it himself and by himself and only enlist highly willing and useful demons. Not only that their upbringings also shape their character. DmC Vergil lived a pampered life after his parents were killed while DMC Vergil had to defend himself on his own and in the DMC3 manga showed that his demand for power originated mainly due to his need to protect himself as he was shown to be at the mercy at demons after his mother was killed and the feeling of uselessness and weakness developed a need or stigma that power is all you need to survive in a harsh world. DmC Vergil grew up in a rather rich and wealthy life and could be a contributing factor to his "higher than thou" mentality, even regular rich people who grew up rich have that type of character, while DMC Vergil grew up in a rough life like DmC Dante and is basically if DmC Dante chose to cope his problems by turning to power rather than sex, violence, and drugs.

Then there is Mundus and why both Vergil's wanted to face/defeat them. DmC Vergil wanted to overthrow Mundus so he can rule mankind while DMC Vergil wanted to face and defeat Mundus because his dad did it and it was more or less the honor of walking in his father's footsteps but then again he needed the Sword of Sparda to do so and that doesn't work since such weapon doesn't exist in DmC. Plus then there is Sparda. DmC Vergil didn't admire Sparda as much as DMC Vergil did nor would DMC Vergil admire DmC Sparda that much.

Now as for the question the only way this scenario would work out or make sense is if it takes place in the DMC verse with a DMC version of Lilith that was similar to DmC Lilith and a similar scenario.

So the answer is yes and no.

Yes because Vergil wouldn't hesitate to slaughter anyone if they get in his way, at the very most he'll ignore them and move on, but if Lilith get his way or attack him like she did Dante (although Dante was looking to capture her) he won't hold back and kill her and her baby especially if she is using him to fight and another fact Lilith will probably be doing the same to please Mundus. So its fair game.

No because Vergil won't deliberately go look for Lilith as their is nothing for him to gain whereas DmC Vergil saw it as an once in a lifetime opportunity to get Mundus away from the Hell Gate. Since Mundus is still sealed away in the Demon World killing Lilith won't get him any closer to his goal of facing and defeating Mundus. Plus Vergil would be too busy looking for Sparda to deal with Lilith.

So the only way Vergil would be facing Lilith is if she is looking for him to kill him or he runs into her by coincidence or some other situation. If Lilith decides to get in his way and face him in combat Vergil will use force

Now its a matter of how he will kill her that separates him from DmC Vergil. He won't use a gun and he'll probably make their deaths quick and possibly painless (like he did the others except for Arkham and Dante but they didn't die though) unlike DmC Vergil. He'll probably find someway to kill them both at once like a vertical slice. He probably won't even kill her and her child right away. He'll probably let her give birth and let the kid mature so he can be strong enough for Vergil to face and test his skills for his daddy for he is the son of the strongest demon alive and the same demon his father defeated....or just kill Lilith and keep the baby and raise it to get stronger so he can fight it and kill it later when its more mature and stronger.....or better yet use it against his father.

That reminds me of Super Hero Aurum from Disgaea 3 where he killed Mao's father the Demon Overlord and later raised Mao so he can get stronger so he can have a worthy opponent to face but Aurum's case was a matter of him having face every powerful evil Overlord imaginable and getting bored. Shame Valvatorez wasn't around for Disgaea 3.

 

[Darkstar Darin]

Also on the subject, did Mundus know Vergil was the one who shot Lilith? Because he was angry and Dante because "you killed my child" (or somthing) and then Dante said he shot Lilith. I know he said that to make Mundus angry, but still.

Mundus didn't know Vergil existed 'til the start of Mission 19 (aka that point where things started feelin' kinda iffy)

 

[Stylish Nero]

I believe Mundus knew that either Dante or "Vergil" killed her, but it didn't really matter.

The thing is that Vergil spent 98% of DmC not drawing attention to himself, so using Summon Swords would put a little too much emphasis on him. Vergil used Dante, since Mundus only knew of one Nephilim (Dante) so that Mundus wouldn't see Vergil as a threat.

No not being discovered by Mundus and having common sense told him to.

I think he is referring to DMC3 Vergil not DmC Vergil.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Actually Dante HAS said some "icky" stuff before. In the anime with the wish maker, the prison guard was about to threaten him and Dante grabs him by the collar and says "You're the one who looks delicious, you pudgy f*ck. Being riddled with all that meat."

Yop. Chalk it up to selective memory.

That is more an issue of a different line or alteration to the script from the original Japanese dialogue to the English dub version.....plus its Funimation they usually add far more cursing than the original Japanese version even if the original Japanese version has a lot of cursing to begin with (Black Lagoon and Panty & Stocking) and they tend to take a lot of liberties with the dub and script. Whereas the games are the only source material to follow even if the original written script was altered to fit in the English system the anime has 2 version the original script in Japanese and a translated and altered script in the dub and other dub versions like the Spanish and Italian dubs that probably have differences as well.

Even the Japanese version of DmC in the Japanese subtitles display alterations to the actual script and dialogue to suit the Japanese audience such having a lot of the cursing removed and rather odd dialogue changes where the characters are saying something different from the original English script but still suits the context of the plot or situation the original line was used for. Besides its a curse word who cares with how Capcom games have been progressing a DMC game is bound to have more heavy language than the past titles considering as RE gets more titles they have a stronger emphasis on foul language and with RE6 finally dropping the F bomb....a few times.

Plus there is a large difference between making fun of someone's weight or calling them a name especially after they sexually harassed you first (which is what Sir Pudgeyf*ck did to invoke Dante to say such a response.........in the English dub he probably said something different in the Japanese script) than making fun of killing someone's kid.

One is a form of verbal self defense while the other is literally making fun of killing someone's kid even if it is meant to invoke a response.

 

[EllDawn]

That is more an issue of a different line or alteration to the script from the original Japanese dialogue to the English dub version.....plus its Funimation they usually add far more cursing than the original Japanese version even if the original Japanese version has a lot of cursing to begin with (Black Lagoon and Panty & Stocking) and they tend to take a lot of liberties with the dub and script. Whereas the games are the only source material to follow even if the original written script was altered to fit in the English system the anime has 2 version the original script in Japanese and a translated and altered script in the dub and other dub versions like the Spanish and Italian dubs that probably have differences as well.

Even the Japanese version of DmC in the Japanese subtitles display alterations to the actual script and dialogue to suit the Japanese audience such having a lot of the cursing removed and rather odd dialogue changes where the characters are saying something different from the original English script but still suits the context of the plot or situation the original line was used for. Besides its a curse word who cares with how Capcom games have been progressing a DMC game is bound to have more heavy language than the past titles considering as RE gets more titles they have a stronger emphasis on foul language and with RE6 finally dropping the F bomb....a few times.

Plus there is a large difference between making fun of someone's weight or calling them a name especially after they sexually harassed you first (which is what Sir Pudgeyf*ck did to invoke Dante to say such a response.........in the English dub he probably said something different in the Japanese script) than making fun of killing someone's kid.

One is a form of verbal self defense while the other is literally making fun of killing someone's kid even if it is meant to invoke a response.

Funimation didn't do the original dub. It was ADV, now Sentai. Funimation just picked it up because of ADV losing a lot of their titles before changing.

Just thought I'd mention that.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Funimation didn't do the original dub. It was ADV, now Sentai. Funimation just picked it up because of ADV losing a lot of their titles before changing.

Just thought I'd mention that.

Hmmm...sounds odd since it uses a lot of Funi-branded voice actors like Christie Ricci and etc but my point still stands on the alteration on script from Japanese to English.

Plus "pudgeyf*ck" is something pretty weird to come out from a Japanese script for an anime or Japanese media unless the show is something of the likes of Panty & Stocking.

 

[EllDawn]

Hmmm...sounds odd since it uses a lot of Funi-branded voice actors like Christie Ricci and etc but my point still stands on the alteration on script from Japanese to English.

Plus "pudgeyf*ck" is something pretty weird to come out from a Japanese script for an anime or Japanese media unless the show is something of the likes of Panty & Stocking.

Funimation and Sentai use a lot of the same VAs.

I'm not sure if this applies to the script, but I do know that a lot of what American studios do with an anime has to have approval from the copyright owners. If it does apply to changes in the script then that means the Japanese approved of the language, which also means they are also responsible for the swearing. I doubt it's that unusual since the Japanese have their own curse words and probably have a lot of them in their media.

 

[Chancey289]

Because Japan all around is a place of such high class that raunchy and saucy side of entertainment is alien to them.

Please, we're talking about a country that coined sexual acts like bukkake and introduced the world to hentai tentacle rape. Also a country that has turned just about every aspect of a relationship in to a commodity.

Dante has always said some sh!t and who the f#ck cares if he was provoking Mundus with the insults. That was the entire point. To get him p!ssed off and away from that hell gate to save the world. In a conversation with demonic Hitler and trying to succeed in beating him then manners are pretty much the last thing they should worry about here.

And yea, both Vergils would have killed Lillith. Vergil has shown time and time again that he only cares about his goals and will both use and exterminate anything as means to an end.

 

[Chancey289]

Funimation and Sentai use a lot of the same VAs.

I doubt it's that unusual since the Japanese have their own curse words and probably have a lot of them in their media.

They do.

 

[berto]

Please, we're talking about a country that coined sexual acts like bukkake and introduced the world to hentai tentacle rape. Also a country that has turned just about every aspect of a relationship in to a commodity.

That's the thing, though, Japan is an odd place. There might be alot of things that fly when they are on TV and others that we find passable but they can't get passed censoring. Different cultures have different values. Swearing might be the taboo in broadcasting and public media or their foul language might translate to rather vanilla context in another language (for example, in Spanish the use of the word 'stupid' is waaayyyy more insulting than it is in English). Plus, the side of Japan we see is the one presented in their anime and video games, I hardly think they reflect real everyday life in Japan or the culture.

Also, just because they have unusual cultural views on sex and they brought us some of the dirtiest forms of animated and real live pornography doesn't mean that they'll plaster it everywhere, ether.

 

[Chancey289]

That's the thing, though, Japan is an odd place. There might be alot of things that fly when they are on TV and others that we find passable but they can't get passed censoring. Different cultures have different values. Swearing might be the taboo in broadcasting and public media or their foul language might translate to rather vanilla context in another language (for example, in Spanish the use of the word 'stupid' is waaayyyy more insulting than it is in English). Plus, the side of Japan we see is the one presented in their anime and video games, I hardly think they reflect real everyday life in Japan or the culture.

Also, just because they have unusual cultural views on sex and they brought us some of the dirtiest forms of animated and real live pornography doesn't mean that they'll plaster it everywhere, ether.

It's not really that odd. Sure it's the patron saint of the weird on the internet but you'd be less culture shocked than you might think. Japan is rather normal.

Japan's culture today has been influenced heavily by the western world and Japan isn't any different when it comes to the saucy entertainment. When we're talking about the down and dirty world, it's no different so than anywhere else so the Japanophiles need to stop acting like they are. Looking at you weeaboos.

Fun fact: Bukakke and tentacle rape was invented as a loop hole to get passed the censorship some of Japan's porn ask for.

Sure Japan also has a thing more so than a lot of other places when it comes to respect but, it's still really all just not what those weeaboos want to think it's like.

 

[Chancey289]

If anything the west has a problem with letting itself lose. Do you have any idea the kind of sh!t Asian horror movies can get away with even on a PG-13 level? Yea. F#cking BS if you're trying to say they don't like to get mature.

When it comes to foreign remakes the censorship is what kills the effectiveness of the original because the rating system here is more strict. They want to remake Martyrs but will not go through with the really f@cked up and gruesome ending saying "there will be a glimmer of hope so you won't feel like shooting yourself after it's over." F#ck you guys. That really dark and gruesome ending HAD A FREAKING POINT.

Stripping it down kinda misses it and it can't have a happy ending.

I'm just ranting now.