Would Old Vergil have killed Lilith?

[DragonMaster2010]

Dante has always said some sh!t and who the f#ck cares if he was provoking Mundus with the insults. That was the entire point. To get him p!ssed off and away from that hell gate to save the world. In a conversation with demonic Hitler and trying to succeed in beating him then manners are pretty much the last thing they should worry about here.

Maybe some gamers can't handle it because it's SOOO edgy.

I never found Dante insulting Mundus about killing his kid that bad. I found it pretty damn cool because Dante was insulting an immortal demon God right to his face and was smirking too which made his cool factor grow in my book. I know old Dante insulted powerful demon gods too, but new Dante is set in a contemperate setting where sh*t like that won't fly as easy.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

It matters so little if classic Dante has truly said certain things, especially if it's some difference in translation. It got said that way in English, and oftentimes those insults are easily transferred, or equivalents in the language in question are found.

Either way, Dante saying whatever to whomever is being taken way too far, and out of context, by a bunch of brats that have nothing better to do.

 

[Loopy]

Maybe some gamers can't handle it because it's SOOO edgy.

I never found Dante insulting Mundus about killing his kid that bad. I found it pretty damn cool because Dante was insulting an immortal demon God right to his face and was smirking too which made his cool factor grow in my book. I know old Dante insulted powerful demon gods too, but new Dante is set in a contemperate setting where sh*t like that won't fly as easy.

Agreed. It wasn't bad at all. Dante said that to Mundus for a reason: get him angry.

With classic Dante, to me, it seemed like he was always teasing or having a mocking joke. Sure, he got personal sometimes, but it was in a more playful way.

DmC Dante on the other hand is saying something that he knows is hurtful, if not emotionally, but directly insulting Mundus. He's not only taking enjoyment over a father losing his child; he's also insulting Mundus indirectly by saying his offsping was weak enough to be killed.

I don't think even classic Dante would gloat over the death of a demon child to its father...I don't know, I just don't think he'd do that.

But, either way, I still don't think that scene was so bad. Dante was doing what he had to do. Everything else he said prior to that didn't have much effect, so Dante had to hit Mundus where he knew it would hurt the most: his child.

 

[Chancey289]

I'm not gonna want you to be my world's savior if saying what's really on everybody's mind going too far at the expense of ruining the plan to beat him.

This debate is stupid. I know we're in the company of people who really hate everything DmC but, it's just reaching to these ridiculous extents and it's making you guys look like just fawking idiots.

Just saiyan.

 

[EllDawn]

It's not really that odd. Sure it's the patron saint of the weird on the internet but you'd be less culture shocked than you might think. Japan is rather normal.

Japan's culture today has been influenced heavily by the western world and Japan isn't any different when it comes to the saucy entertainment. When we're talking about the down and dirty world, it's no different so than anywhere else so the Japanophiles need to stop acting like they are. Looking at you weeaboos.

Fun fact: Bukakke and tentacle rape was invented as a loop hole to get passed the censorship some of Japan's porn ask for.

Sure Japan also has a thing more so than a lot of other places when it comes to respect but, it's still really all just not what those weeaboos want to think it's like.

I remember this Japanese foreign exchange student my sister had befriended basically explaining what it was like in Japan. My sister's final thoughts on it were that they were more American than we were because of their media, what they sell, nearly everything. So you're right, that are closer to normal than we give them credit for. They just also take it farther.

 

[Chancey289]

I remember this Japanese foreign exchange student my sister had befriended basically explaining what it was like in Japan. My sister's final thoughts on it were that they were more American than we were because of their media, what they sell, nearly everything. So you're right, that are closer to normal than we give them credit for. They just also take it farther.

Japan does really turn almost everything in to a buyable product.

Just for example, for anyone that's interested, this is a short documentary on the love industry in Japan where nearly every aspect of a relationship can be bought.
http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-japanese-love-industry

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I don't think even classic Dante would gloat over the death of a demon child to its father...I don't know, I just don't think he'd do that.

But yet, when I see this scene, I think otherwise

"My forest...! MY CHILDREN...!"
*Gets shot and her blood curdling scream is echoed in sorrow and pain*
Dante: "I think that look suits you better."

 

[Loopy]

But yet, when I see this scene, I think otherwise

"My forest...! MY CHILDREN...!"
*Gets shot and her blood curdling scream is echoed in sorrow and pain*
Dante: "I think that look suits you better."

Forgot about that. Doh!:facepalm:

That scene doesn't really have the same impact for me though. Dante just walks onto the scene and does his thing in the humorous way that I like.:tongue: He just shoots her and says nothing until after she's all blown up.

There's not a long buildup to it like there is to NT Dante taunting Mundus. I guess because Echidna just needs to be dealt with quickly; she's not a major character. Mundus on the other hand, he's the main villain, and the conflict has been building up from the beginning.

Besides, classic Dante doesn't deliver his lines with that same sort of, almost malicious, taunting. Classic Dante is more about taunting, messing around and mocking in a more humorous way....unless you count the aime...he can get quite vicious and serious there.

 

[EllDawn]

Japan does really turn almost everything in to a buyable product.

Just for example, for anyone that's interested, this is a short documentary on the love industry in Japan where nearly every aspect of a relationship can be bought.
http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-japanese-love-industry

Sorry to double post. I didn't know it posted in the first place.

 

[EllDawn]

Japan does really turn almost everything in to a buyable product.

Just for example, for anyone that's interested, this is a short documentary on the love industry in Japan where nearly every aspect of a relationship can be bought.
http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-japanese-love-industry

I read an article that talked about them having a rent-a-friend business starting. They're making money off of something that shouldn't be charged for. It's even worse that people are actually supporting them. They're really making it meaningless.

And after watching that documentary they really have some sick things going on. I don't think I'll ever look at the Japanese the same again. Let alone the stuff they release.

 

[Loopy]

I read an article that talked about them having a rent-a-friend business starting. They're making money off of something that shouldn't be charged for. It's even worse that people are actually supporting them. They're really making it meaningless.

And after watching that documentary they really have some sick things going on. I don't think I'll ever look at the Japanese the same again. Let alone the stuff they release.

Pretty terrible to reduce someone to how much they can pay you or buy you. It just makes relationships of any kind into a business transaction. A person must be very desperate to pay for friends or dates...I feel sorry for them having to resort to that. They gain nothing from it, no real friend or date, and then they lose money to boot.

Just how bad has this world become when people are paying just to be cuddled by someone? It's a really sad state of the world when people have to pay for something that should be natural between people. Bad enough that it happens in one country, but this is becoming more common around the world.

I can't decide who is worse; people paying for this, or people wanting to be paid for it. It's like the chicken and egg question.

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

Of course Old Vergil would, knowing his character. It's just like how he supposedly killed Arkham the first time!

 

[VOLPE]

Pretty terrible to reduce someone to how much they can pay you or buy you. It just makes relationships of any kind into a business transaction. A person must be very desperate to pay for friends or dates...I feel sorry for them having to resort to that. They gain nothing from it, no real friend or date, and then they lose money to boot.

Just how bad has this world become when people are paying just to be cuddled by someone? It's a really sad state of the world when people have to pay for something that should be natural between people. Bad enough that it happens in one country, but this is becoming more common around the world.

I can't decide who is worse; people paying for this, or people wanting to be paid for it. It's like the chicken and egg question.

Couldnt agree more..this world is a sad place..but back to topic i think i already stated old vergil wouldve killed anyone who got in his way or who he found had no use to him

 

[Chancey289]

I read an article that talked about them having a rent-a-friend business starting. They're making money off of something that shouldn't be charged for. It's even worse that people are actually supporting them. They're really making it meaningless.

And after watching that documentary they really have some sick things going on. I don't think I'll ever look at the Japanese the same again. Let alone the stuff they release.

Things like the cuddle cafes when you think about it are just depressing. The Japanese love industry really shouldn't be trying exploit all these things as a buyable service because I can't imagine this actually helps. If anything this would just make you feel even more lonely and depressed. Japan already has some of the highest suicide rates in the world.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Pretty terrible to reduce someone to how much they can pay you or buy you. It just makes relationships of any kind into a business transaction. A person must be very desperate to pay for friends or dates...I feel sorry for them having to resort to that. They gain nothing from it, no real friend or date, and then they lose money to boot.

Just how bad has this world become when people are paying just to be cuddled by someone? It's a really sad state of the world when people have to pay for something that should be natural between people. Bad enough that it happens in one country, but this is becoming more common around the world.

I can't decide who is worse; people paying for this, or people wanting to be paid for it. It's like the chicken and egg question.

Old news the same thing as paying for sex/prostitution.

Whether it be in the form of a direct service like that example or counseling. People want some form of gentle human interaction and will pay for it. Services like these exists all around the world in different ways. People prefer the easy way out and the global culture nowadays paints relationships let alone marriages as restrictive to freedom or something of that nature. This is just Japan's way of dealing with the stigmata of relationships the world seems to shifting towards to.

This is something that has been going around for sometime now.

As for your question its really a matter of which demographic started this first, the women who don't want to feel restrained or the men who are intimidated by the women who feel this way?

One thing I find oh so funny even this stuff is rather extreme I find the human services to be limited to just non-sexual interaction.

 

[Loopy]

Things like the cuddle cafes when you think about it are just depressing. The Japanese love industry really shouldn't be trying exploit all these things as a buyable service because I can't imagine this actually helps. If anything this would just make you feel even more lonely and depressed. Japan already has some of the highest suicide rates in the world.

I doesn't help at all. It just reduces one person to the sum of their bank balance, and the other person into objects to be bought. It just messes up peoples image of relationships if this is what they reduce people to.
It's very telling in that video that the girl wanted to kill real couples who were happy. I'm not surprised considering she only sees men as people who buy her. I just hope she is able to have a real relationship later without this experience messing her up forever. Same goes for the guys who think they are worthless unless they pay a lady for her time.
What happened to being with someone because they are good company, funny, or kind or have the same hobbies? :facepalm:

As for suicide; in the Aokigahara forest, they have to have people on suicide watch because it is such a popular place to go and die. They also fine the family of dead people if the person chooses to die by jumping in front of a train. The fine goes up for how close the suicide is to a major city. I'm not sure if this is to deter people from suicide or to pay for the inconvenience of messing up train times. Either way, it doesn't seem to work...if a person really wants to die, they will find a way to do it.

Anyway, I'll stop here or I could go on for ages about this kind of thing:tongue:

 

[Stylish Nero]

Besides its not like the entire country/population is like this just about half or a good chunk of the population.

Japan can only hope that the next generation and the current youth they do have don't adopt the same policies as some of the current young adult generation but that is the parents and medias job but it seems all of this started from looking at the Western culture.

As an American we have similar and I quote SIMILAR services and similar ways of thinking when it comes to the young adult demographic. I too am not all that interested in chasing relationships....actually I am its just marriages but its for financial reasons and I don't like kids....as of now that is. A lot of young adults are less interested in marriages and children than prior generations the only difference we go about in different ways from Japan. Although the population isn't getting tremendously smaller but I guess its due to how Japan is so small where the states is so large and spread out such beliefs and services don't spread so large as well as the states being a very religious influenced or traditional society compared to Japan which is becoming a more atheist/agnostic nation although there is some Buddhism and Christianity present there.

 

[EllDawn]

Pretty terrible to reduce someone to how much they can pay you or buy you. It just makes relationships of any kind into a business transaction. A person must be very desperate to pay for friends or dates...I feel sorry for them having to resort to that. They gain nothing from it, no real friend or date, and then they lose money to boot.

Just how bad has this world become when people are paying just to be cuddled by someone? It's a really sad state of the world when people have to pay for something that should be natural between people. Bad enough that it happens in one country, but this is becoming more common around the world.

I can't decide who is worse; people paying for this, or people wanting to be paid for it. It's like the chicken and egg question.

I agree with you. And I'd say it's kind of attributed to how people are always wanting the easy route. If they feel they can't make friends on their own or get a date, they buy one. It's pretty sad.

To me they're equal. Though, in my opinion, the people paying for it are depressing and the ones being paid for are disturbing. They're making money off another person's misery, basically.

Things like the cuddle cafes when you think about it are just depressing. The Japanese love industry really shouldn't be trying exploit all these things as a buyable service because I can't imagine this actually helps. If anything this would just make you feel even more lonely and depressed. Japan already has some of the highest suicide rates in the world.

In the documentary the guy who went to the cuddle cafe talked about how the girl's eyes were just blank. There was simply no compassion there. Nothing. That would be enough to make a person feel worse. With how they're selling affection instead of people finding it on their own, it's not much of a surprise that Japan has a high suicide rate. The girl in the cuddle cafe even said she hated happy couples enough that she wanted them to die.

Besides its not like the entire country/population is like this just about half or a good chunk of the population.

Japan can only hope that the next generation and the current youth they do have don't adopt the same policies as some of the current young adult generation but that is the parents and medias job but it seems all of this started from looking at the Western culture.

As an American we have similar and I quote SIMILAR services and similar ways of thinking when it comes to the young adult demographic. I too am not all that interested in chasing relationships....actually I am its just marriages but its for financial reasons and I don't like kids....as of now that is. A lot of young adults are less interested in marriages and children than prior generations the only difference we go about in different ways from Japan. Although the population isn't getting tremendously smaller but I guess its due to how Japan is so small where the states is so large and spread out such beliefs and services don't spread so large as well as the states being a very religious influenced or traditional society compared to Japan which is becoming a more atheist/agnostic nation although there is some Buddhism and Christianity present there.

I don't think it's something that's going to go away any time soon. Their women now have power that they didn't have before and they seem to think that getting married and having kids means giving that up. They were oppressed so much that I doubt they're going to allow the possibility of going back any time soon.

As for the men, I don't think they'd have much of a chance in their own country. They'd have to find someone outside and then that's pretty iffy, too.

Like you, I'm not that interested in relationships either. But I think what's going to keep America's population up is the fact that teen pregnancies are being rewarded with TV shows. America has found some way to encourage the birth rate. Not that I think it's a good one.

 

[Stylish Nero]

I agree with you. And I'd say it's kind of attributed to how people are always wanting the easy route. If they feel they can't make friends on their own or get a date, they buy one. It's pretty sad.

To me they're equal. Though, in my opinion, the people paying for it are depressing and the ones being paid for are disturbing. They're making money off another person's misery, basically.


In the documentary the guy who went to the cuddle cafe talked about how the girl's eyes were just blank. There was simply no compassion there. Nothing. That would be enough to make a person feel worse. With how they're selling affection instead of people finding it on their own, it's not much of a surprise that Japan has a high suicide rate. The girl in the cuddle cafe even said she hated happy couples enough that she wanted them to die.


I don't think it's something that's going to go away any time soon. Their women now have power that they didn't have before and they seem to think that getting married and having kids means giving that up. They were oppressed so much that I doubt they're going to allow the possibility of going back any time soon.

As for the men, I don't think they'd have much of a chance in their own country. They'd have to find someone outside and then that's pretty iffy, too.

Like you, I'm not that interested in relationships either. But I think what's going to keep America's population up is the fact that teen pregnancies are being rewarded with TV shows. America has found some way to encourage the birth rate. Not that I think it's a good one.

Oh how sad and ironic yet funny at the same.

One issue here its not really the Japanese media and corporations behind these services the video itself almost all or most of these services are operated by the Yakuza which isn't a good thing (sh*t that is a terrible thing) while the rest are by rather small groups out to make a quick buck.

 

[EllDawn]

Oh how sad and ironic yet funny at the same.

One issue here its not really the Japanese media and corporations behind these services the video itself almost all or most of these services are operated by the Yakuza which isn't a good thing (sh*t that is a terrible thing) while the rest are by rather small groups out to make a quick buck.

The fact that the Yakuza are a big part of it is something they really need to worry about. It really wouldn't surprise me if they were a big part of the human trafficking problem, too. And it's no surprise that money is a part of it, as you mentioned with the smaller groups.