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Would Old Vergil have killed Lilith?

Would old Vergil kill Lilith?

  • hell yeah.

    Votes: 39 84.8%

  • No, he's too honorable.

    Votes: 7 15.2%
  • Total voters
    46
yes because she would easily stab him in the back nor keep her word same with Arkham. People give him **** for killing Arkham but why the **** should he let Arkham live when we and he both know what kind of threat Arkham is.

You may bring his "honor" but honor doesnt mean your stupid.

the bigger question is would old vergil kill the kid?
 
Z218 said:
yes because she would easily stab him in the back nor keep her word same with Arkham. People give him **** for killing Arkham but why the **** should he let Arkham live when we and he both know what kind of threat Arkham is.

You may bring his "honor" but honor doesnt mean your stupid.

the bigger question is would old vergil kill the kid?
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That's the thing, no one's bringing honor into this, because Vergil just is not an honorable man by any means. He's incredibly selfish and doesn't care about anyone else. And that's one thing about honor - if you have a code of honor, you follow it, no matter how it might negatively affect you; samurai would disembowel themselves just for losing a battle because they had a strict code of honor. Duels of yesteryear followed a strict code of honor that put things on an even playing field, no matter how many advantages you could gain if you ignored that code.

If Vergil was an honorable man, he would have waited for Arkham to betray him so they could fight to the death then and there. We give him sh!t for killing Arkham because that's just what he did. Yeah, Arkham would have tried to betray him in the end, but he didn't care - Arkham outlived his usefulness, and he didn't care if he was unarmed, defenseless, or unaware of what was about to happen.

Vergil being an honorable man is purely headcanon.

And yes, Vergil would had killed the demon fetus, too. The man has no scruples, I don't know why he wouldn't kill it. It was a demon and it posed a threat to him, doesn't matter if it's a kid or not.
 
Oh gee originally I was going to avoid DMC vs DmC ****ing Contest #5096 but one side something that I need to make extremely clear.

Loopy said:
Evil or good don't matter to Vergil. If the person with a pure heart was not useful to him, Vergil would leave them, put them in danger out of neglect or outright kill them.
I don't like Arkham either, but regardless, Vergil attacked him without warning. Arkham thought Vergil was his ally. He did not expect Vergil to stab him.
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No offense to you but this is pure bullsh*t. Arkham was expecting to get stabbed because he planned it.

Arkham was a major a$$hole who deserved to get stabbed. He was already planning to deceive Vergil and take the power of Sparda all for himself the moment he teamed up with him.

He withheld REALLY important info from Vergil such as the fact you need the blood of the priest (Mary) to activate the hell gate and now we have Vergil stabbing himself and looking like an idiot.

Arkham WANTED Vergil to stab him so he can convince Mary to turn her efforts to Vergil and allowing him to sweep in the last minute and one up Vergil. If anything Vergil is stupid for falling for it.

Arkham never thought of Vergil as an ally, he was planning to buttf*ck Vergil (figuratively of course) and take power all for himself. He expected Vergil to stab him.

Now another thing is on the topic of how Vergil treats people (humans in general). I mean why did Vergil leave a helpless, defenseless Mary alone, especially considering she was a main reason why Arkham was able to one up him? Also, when Mary attacked him he could've finished her quite easily but instead asked her why she is attacking him and when she told him what Arkham told her he told her she had been fooled so waste his breath on a human woman who is trying to kill him instead just kill her already and why spare her life when she was a reason why his plans were ruined?

Plus Vergil sees himself as a demon rather than a human so he probably doesn't apply the same sense of human honor code that human's apply but a demon one such as what the likes of Griffin and Berial displayed. Demons have differing values and codes of conduct different from humans (is what I learned from playing Disgaea games) and "power" is a natural cycle or necessity in the demon world.
 
Stylish Nero said:
No offense to you but this is pure bullsh*t. Arkham was expecting to get stabbed because he planned it.

Arkham WANTED Vergil to stab him so he can convince Mary to turn her efforts to Vergil and allowing him to sweep in the last minute and one up Vergil. If anything Vergil is stupid for falling for it.

Arkham never thought of Vergil as an ally, he was planning to buttf*ck Vergil (figuratively of course) and take power all for himself. He expected Vergil to stab him.
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There was me thinking he just took advantage of something not part of his plan.:/ That's how I read that particular part of the game, so it's not bullsh!t to me.

Of course Arkham's endgame was to screw Vergil over, that was obvious from how he talked to Vergil. But I didn't think he figured getting stabbed into the deal. The most he mentions during his big reveal as Jester was that he used that disguise to get them into that room to use their blood.

The stabbing arises because Vergil is disgusted with Arkham for being weak enough not to kill Lady. I don't think Arkham would have predicted Vergil would react that way and consider him no longer useful, not when they were nearly at the lair of judgement. That was the endgame.
He didn't need to be stabbed to get Lady in that room. If he really needed to, Arkham could've just gotten Lady to chase him in there dressed as Jester.:P Or maybe she could have found the room by herself?:/

Besides, the dialogue before Arkham was stabbed was Arkham being all excited about reaching the lair of judgement. He thought he'd won, that he'd gotten them where he wanted them. Heck, Vergil cuts Arkham off in the middle of speaking when he stabs him.

Arkham thought he was useful enough to Vergil so no harm would come to him. Also, at some points in the game, it's Arkham telling Vergil what to do. Like when Vergil wants to finish Dante at the top of the tower, but Arkham tells him to leave it, and he does.
So, considering that, I think Arkham thought he was safe from being stabbed by Vergil.

But in the end, it's two guys using each other as tools, pretending to be allied until they can get what they want. They deserve each other.
 
Loopy said:
There was me thinking he just took advantage of something not part of his plan.:/ That's how I read that particular part of the game, so it's not bullsh!t to me.

Of course Arkham's endgame was to screw Vergil over, that was obvious from how he talked to Vergil. But I didn't think he figured getting stabbed into the deal. The most he mentions during his big reveal as Jester was that he used that disguise to get them into that room to use their blood.

The stabbing arises because Vergil is disgusted with Arkham for being weak enough not to kill Lady. I don't think Arkham would have predicted Vergil would react that way and consider him no longer useful, not when they were nearly at the lair of judgement. That was the endgame.
He didn't need to be stabbed to get Lady in that room. If he really needed to, Arkham could've just gotten Lady to chase him in there dressed as Jester.:P Or maybe she could have found the room by herself?:/

Besides, the dialogue before Arkham was stabbed was Arkham being all excited about reaching the lair of judgement. He thought he'd won, that he'd gotten them where he wanted them. Heck, Vergil cuts Arkham off in the middle of speaking when he stabs him.

Arkham thought he was useful enough to Vergil so no harm would come to him. Also, at some points in the game, it's Arkham telling Vergil what to do. Like when Vergil wants to finish Dante at the top of the tower, but Arkham tells him to leave it, and he does.
So, considering that, I think Arkham thought he was safe from being stabbed by Vergil.

But in the end, it's two guys using each other as tools, pretending to be allied until they can get what they want. They deserve each other.
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Lady wanted to kill Arkham and want nothing to do with Vergil if anything having Lady divert her attention to Vergil would work out in his favor. Plus what would Jester do? She wouldn't know that Jester was Arkham and I doubt she'll pay him much attention. Mary hate demons remember. She wouldn't take Dante's help I doubt she'll take the guidance of a more annoying demon.

Its also called putting on an act (its no different than beingJester, a persona the polar opposite of his actual demeanor). If Arkham wasn't expecting to get stabbed he wouldn't have survived getting stabbed. The fact he survived it in good condition (enough to lay the smack down on Dante, Vergil, and Mary at once) is evidence enough he pre-planned for the situation when it arises. Its quite obvious he planned to use Lad...I mean Mary from the beginning considering he wanted Mary to come there.

Even Vergil admitted Arkham played Mary for a fool and even Arkham admitted he played them all (Dante, Vergil, and Mary) for fools. I mean if he was so sure he succeeded. Why did he still helped guide Dante through Temen-ni-Gru as Jester after getting him to Vergil the first time and obtaining the other amulet? Its quite obvious Arkham was going to turn on Vergil the whole time whereas Vergil mainly fell for it.

I'll reiterate myself again. If Arkham wasn't expecting to get stabbed he wouldn't have survived getting stabbed and the fact his plan still went out as planned. Either getting stabbed by Vergil didn't alter his plans at all or getting stabbed was part of the plan. Vergil should really double check when he kills his victim.

Think about if Vergil didn't stab Arkham and they went to the chamber together. How would Arkham execute his plan? It wouldn't work he would need to be absent to get Dante there while cosplaying as Jester and having Mary not get in HIS way but Vergil's so he can sweep in there and one up Vergil.

Plus its not just that Vergil stabbed him because he only left Mary alive and showed weakness but also the fact Arkham didn't tell him and Vergil found out on his own. Not only did Arkham showed weakness of his convictions to Vergil but is being all secretive about it. Vergil sees as a potential weight to his plans if he can't prove he is a demon like Vergil and doesn't tell Vergil, his partner, or keeps stuff from him (which he was doing).

Ergo, Arkham deserved to get stabbed (as well as shot by his own daughter).
 
I'm going on a bit of a plot institutional prospect.

If Vergil needed a hostage to exchange he wouldn't kill her after he was done with her. If the fight had been with Vergil and the offspring he would've mercilessly taken the creature down at the end of their fight and left regardless of her state, whether crying, dying, or shocked. If she personally tried to hurt him she'd be dead, at best she'd get one warning and then killed if she hadn't taken the advice.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
And yes, Vergil would had killed the demon fetus, too. The man has no scruples, I don't know why he wouldn't kill it. It was a demon and it posed a threat to him, doesn't matter if it's a kid or not.
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Let's not forget the fact that Dante also shot Nevan in the womb after the boss fight... and only because she was about to bite him (he didn't have to catch her, and he could have just shaken her off like in the boss battle).

When Dante does it, he blows his gun (yeah, I said that on purpose) and it's all peaches and cream.

When DmC Vergil does it, he's an irredeemable monster. *sigh*
 
Yeeaaaah...how quickly that scene was taken out of context was insane. You don't really even have to bring up the things that happened in the classic series, you just...have to give context to the one small instance people are bitching about, same went for Dante's "wet little chunks" remark :/

Buncha f#cking idiots...
 
berto said:
I'm going on a bit of a plot institutional prospect.

If Vergil needed a hostage to exchange he wouldn't kill her after he was done with her. If the fight had been with Vergil and the offspring he would've mercilessly taken the creature down at the end of their fight and left regardless of her state, whether crying, dying, or shocked. If she personally tried to hurt him she'd be dead, at best she'd get one warning and then killed if she hadn't taken the advice.
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Agreed.
 
Loopy said:
What was so bad about that line anyway?:/
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That "too cool for school" classic Dante would never say something so icky, and questioning how fans of DmC could find this okay.

The answer? It is nasty, but it also makes total sense if you actually put it in context and play the game. The whole point of Dante saying it was to invoke a certain, vile reaction from who he was addressing.

People who complained about it seemed to think Dante had himself a half-blood prince in his jeans when he talked about it.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
That "too cool for school" classic Dante would never say something so icky, and questioning how fans of DmC could find this okay.

The answer? It is nasty, but it also makes total sense if you actually put it in context and play the game. The whole point of Dante saying it was to invoke a certain, vile reaction from who he was addressing.

People who complained about it seemed to think Dante had himself a half-blood prince in his jeans when he talked about it.
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Actually Dante HAS said some "icky" stuff before. In the anime with the wish maker, the prison guard was about to threaten him and Dante grabs him by the collar and says "You're the one who looks delicious, you pudgy f*ck. Being riddled with all that meat."
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
Actually Dante HAS said some "icky" stuff before. In the anime with the wish maker, the prison guard was about to threaten him and Dante grabs him by the collar and says "You're the one who looks delicious, you pudgy f*ck. Being riddled with all that meat."
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I think they don't even consider the anime canon, like a lot of other additions to the DMC story.
 
I'm honestly starting to think that it's actually easier to think of DMC's overall canon as having a few caveats to it, like DMC1 and the DMC1 novel would be considered "Kamiya Canon" as he's only had input on those things, while then there's the "Game Canon" where you only accept things that happened in DMC1-4. Then there'd be "DMC3 Canon" comprised of the game and the (unfinished) manga. Like...there's just no friggin' way that everything in the DMC franchise fits together, there's way too much stuff that contradicts other stuff by virtue of the series passing through so many hands.

The anime can just go sit in a corner and think about how unbelievably boring and sh!tty it is most of the time.
 
DMC's stuff is just all over the place and it doesn't make sense period.

And yes, that anime series was just awful. It's Devil May Cry, you think you can at least make a decently entertaining action show out of it but nope. F#ck that show.
 
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