ItWasAnEggTimer
Same as it ever was
That's deep.
What are you sick of?
- Thread starter Ryuuou
- Start date
This is an idealistic view, I'd love if the whole world ran on this thought, but hey... In reality, president comes first, then all government officials by hierarchy. Ordinary people are the disposable ones and a soldier has no say in this, he or she is just here to follow orders.
Loopy
Devil hunter in training
The most vocal yuri fans on the internet are guys, guys who fantasize about joining in or turning the character straight. And, you're right, they don't like the idea of yaoi, calling it 'fujoshi filth'. They hate the idea of two guys together.
Edit: I just went looking on the internet. I come across this little gem:
"I hate Yaoi because its unmanly.Real Men who likes to stay with men (some likes independent) and think as a group with girls/porn as a topic would never go to "Gay sex" because its totally ruins their manliness. Yuri on the other hand is tolerable because girls are very social beings and them having lesbian sex is already expected if they are having such a close relationship.
I mean come on! When Girls resorts to taking a bath together and comparing their breast size, no one gives a f**ck (except the flat chested ones). But when men compares the sizes of their dicks, we takes it as an insult to our libido"
Talk about stereotypes. Both sides can be equally childish and weird on the internet.
Yikes, do you really know people like this?!Thank goodness I haven't come across anyone like that. People who say things like that and say they are feminist are not. They are crazy nutters who think every man is a rapist and that chopping off guys parts will stop that.
However, while some nutters on the internet fantasize about chopping off men's parts, this same thing is happening to girls for real with stupid reasons such as enhancing male pleasure and saving virginity.
DanteTheJester
That devil hunting douche who married a pizza.
Surprisingly, the ones I know who believe in that stupid idea are female Yuri fans. Bar maybe 2 or 3 male Yuri fans I know. Considering that the male Yuri fans would also end up on the bad end of the stick in that case. And considering that the Yuri fans I know are mostly female. It's bad enough. The ones I know who are female are actually the ones who literally only would watch a series like Dragon Ball Z just so that they can spite the canon relationships and pair up Chi-Chi with Bulma, or Videl with her own daughter Pan.
The Yuri fans I know literally have no boundaries. Male or female, to them, anything Yuri is automatic quality worthy of the greatest golden chalice. The better the yuri, the more chalices they should get to have.
That. And they're hypocrites for more than one reason. The ones I know will ship to the max, but if anyone so much as tries to tell them to chill with it cause it ain't canon, then they go off and say that they have every right to ship anyone with anyone. Which they do. But they don't apply to that to anyone else except a Yuri fan who only ships Yuri relationships. People have a natural right to ship whomever. Even if it makes no sense. Like shipping the gayest woman in all of anime with the gayest man in all of anime. Essentially the same as shipping either one with a house pet. But still, it's not against any laws to ship (Minus the rules of certain forums centered on Yuri).
Loopy
Devil hunter in training
Or they pair the characters up with themselves or some sort of wish fulfilment OC that is meant to be them. :wink:
DanteTheJester
That devil hunting douche who married a pizza.
I've never met any male who did that. I've only seen yuri OC's in fanfics and I think I'd find it hard as a man to ever self insert myself without my ding-a-ling attached. And also I hate it when Lesbians claim to be fans of male characters but then say stuff like "I wish he was a girl" so that they could excuse their own attractions to em. Like the Doctor from Doctor Who. To them it's all about the gender. It's a disgrace to the character when they aren't appreciated for their qualities and rather the qualities and their opposite gender. Gender should have nothing to do with how you appreciate a character.
Finding qualities to be attractive is not a disgraceful thing just because you're not attracted to a certain gender. You know how a lot of lesbians get married to men? Not all. But many? Through seeing good qualities that are in them. Sure. The sex life is tough. But that's supposed to be a bonus. It's not supposed to be what you solely look for in a committed relationship. Sex is a small part to a real romantic relationship. Otherwise you only love someone for their body parts and not their heart.
Bless your heart for putting this wonderful thought into words.
To me it was never about what's between a character's legs, it was about what they do and what message they are giving out.
Cause gender switching I see mostly done by people saying they fight against sexism, I have to say, it's actually sexist to appreciate a character only if it's of certain gender, cause you basically say that the other gender ain't worthy of that role. Doctor is a male, but he wouldn't get very far without help from strong and smart females, so I don't see how making him a female would fight sexism, or why would you even need another female among so many awesome ones. I mean, they do realize that at one point Donna was even on higher level than Doctor? And then there was that time the blondie got god-like powers. I don't know anymore examples, wasn't really that devoted to the series.
I actually remember a comic author who was a big name in lesbian community many years ago, advocating for lesbian rights and all. Then she met a man for whom she realized was her soul mate, respecting her and loving her like no person before, and they got married, even had enjoyable sex life (I gather the biggest help in this is that they really connected emotionally). Earned her huge problems, most notably they were accusing her of perpetuating the myth that lesbians are just misguided women who haven't met the right man. Like, sorry honey, you ain't got the right to love and be loved, it's hard to keep the group united in hate when you tell girls that the other side ain't so bad.
Loopy
Devil hunter in training
Who said anything about chopping off your dick? :laugh: Why would you do that to put yourself in a fanfiction? Also, if you've only seen lesbian OC's, then you're not reading enough fanfiction. The place is littered with guys writing themselves in, and girls writing themselves in so they can fall in love with their favourite male character.
I'm sure it's not just lesbians who say 'I wish he/she was male/female'. Not all lesbians are like that.
I could say things like 'gay guys want female characters to be male so that they can be attracted to them.' But that's not true. The vast majority of gay men aren't like that and neither are gay women.
Where is this coming from? The only complaint from women (hetero or lesbian) has been about Matt Smith leaving and Peter Capaldi being too old and not cute looking. It had nothing to do with wanting The Doctor to be a woman. In that case, it was ageism going on.
A lot of lesbians do not get married to men. They marry other women these days because it's allowed. If they married men, they would not be lesbian. They would be hetero or bisexual or gender fluid.
As for sex life, if they liked the same sex exclusively, then I doubt am exclusively lesbian woman would enjoy sex with a man if she liked only women. Same goes for gay men being with women if that man liked only men.
If a woman really was a lesbian, then married a man then it was probably to fit in. Gay men do that too. They marry women to fit in, have children and live a lie all of their lives.
Or do gay men also marry women because they see 'good qualities in them'? I find that unlikely, unless they marry a woman to fit in and get away from the prejudice of being gay. Sure, they may like their good qualities and find companionship, but I don't think it would turn sexual unless they were bisexual or fluid.
The female companions are a strong lot. River Song who's also part time lord and is very good escaping intergalactic prisons. Or, Clara Oswald, who sets The Doctor on his current path and acts as a guide and compass to him. So, I don't see why there is complaining when it comes to Doctor Who.
That's the problem. Men say things like they could turn a lesbian straight if they slept with them. Then there are the lesbians who say that woman wasn't lesbian if she slept with men and women. There's just no winning in that situation. People should just like who they like, but these days there has to be a classification for everything so that it fits into a neat box. People aren't as simple as that and sexual attraction is more fluid than people think.
Just few years ago there were three types of sexuality and now it seems that each day a new category pops up, not just for who you like but what you are in terms of gender. With teenagers and young people just starting to figure themselves up, it's perfectly normal for them to be attracted to one thing today and possibly something else tomorrow. But no, if you associate yourself with one group and then later on see that you don't fit 100%, then it's treated like you defected on the battlefield or something.
I've tried to define myself, with me being interested in romance, but quite phobic over intimacy, I will never know for sure. Does it really matter, to be honest? I want people to think of my ideas and creations when they talk about me, not what I'm banging. And it only brings people further apart, cause the thought "either you're with us, or you're against us" is more or less part of our natural instinct. So I propose a new category... none-of-your-business-sexual.
DanteTheJester
That devil hunting douche who married a pizza.
I just haven't seen any male oc's being placed in a Yuri fandom. Least not in FF.Net. And I came across a google profile once that was made by a lesbian. First post I noticed? "I wish the Doctor was a girl".
And if you don't think a lot of Lesbians don't get married to men then go to a site called ExperienceProject.org I think. Lots of life stories like that where Lesbians come out. They come out but they also admit a few other things. A lot of them admit that they have genuine romantic feelings for the men they're with. But the sex life is outrageously tough for them. Sexuality is not about who you marry. It's about who you would prefer to have in your bed, doing dem nasty naughty things to ya. Romance and sexuality are not tied hand in hand. They see these good qualities and these men/women treated them better than most other people did. That's the kind of scenario that would make sense. My romantic desires and feelings don't lie in my balls. If anything lies in there, then it's my libido. But like I said, romance and sexuality are not hand in hand and don't all come together. Just because I would prefer to be in bed with a girl, doesn't mean I'm gonna marry that person. I would never choose to sleep with a man. But you never know who you'd marry. Life isn't born an open book. It's a book that you can't turn until it's time.
I agree, the shiny wears off soon if there is nothing else to hold it together.
I actually had more fun with some indie games than big titles. *looks around* *whispers* If you have time try Brink of Consciousness: Dorian Gray syndrome.
Innsmouth
Sleeping DMC Fan
Haven't tried those 2, but i loved games like WET and Nier
Brink of Consciousness: Dorian Gray syndrome is one game... It's a point&click+hidden object adventure where you have to save your girlfriend from a serial killer. There is also Lonely hearts murders, but the first one I found slightly better. Maybe cause it's a more modern setting. You should also try Vampire Saga, those have three titles so far. I have a very tight budget and no game console at home, so I find it amazing you can actually get these great games for free (gametop, toomkygames, myrealgames).
I heard about Nier, seen people go gaga over it, for me personally it's a bit too emotionally heavy. WET I just googled and it went on my wishlist so fast it felt like it was always there. :thumbsup:
Innsmouth
Sleeping DMC Fan
@Sunny Oh, I thought you meant that Brink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink_(video_game)
I saw Dorian Gray and I definitely want to try it. I played lot of P&C adventures on my PC and it looks very beautiful, so I won't pass it
Thanks for advise.
I saw Dorian Gray and I definitely want to try it. I played lot of P&C adventures on my PC and it looks very beautiful, so I won't pass it
Thanks for advise.
Lord Dante
Forever waiting.
I'm sick of people always assuming that because I'm gay, I must be in love with fashion, talk with a lisp while flapping my hands around like a dolphin and will grow old to own a beauty shop one day.
The stereotype of how a gay male lives his life 24/7.
If you got to know me, I'm actually a nerd that loves comic books, video games and movies. I don't act "girly" like a lot of other gay guys do so you could I'm a "masculine" type of gay guy. But yeah, stuff like that always eats at me. It makes me sick.
The stereotype of how a gay male lives his life 24/7.
If you got to know me, I'm actually a nerd that loves comic books, video games and movies. I don't act "girly" like a lot of other gay guys do so you could I'm a "masculine" type of gay guy. But yeah, stuff like that always eats at me. It makes me sick.
Shadow
the horror was for love
I know what you mean. I'm bi and I've gotten so many comments how being bisexual must mean that I just want to sleep with everyone, or things along that line, and it's just...ugh.
---
What am I sick of? The republican vs. democrat stuff on CNN. So the democrats are apparently not doing enough for the republicans liking and the republicans can't make up their minds on what they want anyone to do, but why am I supposed to care? I've heard this argument a million times, guys. It's getting older than the Bush family's stupidity. Why not focus on the important stuff instead of how congress and the senate and all them can't find their *sses with both hands and a map? Cuz, y'know, there's a few wars going on and an epidemic and a whole lot of other things that are more important going on in the world, and isn't the news meant to inform us on all that instead of spreading propaganda? Or was that all in my imagination?
Lord Dante
Forever waiting.
I know what you mean. I'm bi and I've gotten so many comments how being bisexual must mean that I just want to sleep with everyone, or things along that line, and it's just...ugh.(I, very distinctly, remember one woman who said I was a wh*re and was going to hell because "that's all 'your kind' do". I mean...way to be a b*tch when the conversation had been pleasant up until that point.)Some people have a very screwy mental image of how others are, especially if there's already a stereotype out there in regards to their race/gender/religion/sexual preferences/etc.. And the media certainly doesn't help in any case, y'know? It's like they're afraid to step out of the box and see that what they label as "different" isn't that different. Which is why labels are ridiculous and should be kept only for jars...and I'm not a jar.
---
What am I sick of? The republican vs. democrat stuff on CNN. So the democrats are apparently not doing enough for the republicans liking and the republicans can't make up their minds on what they want anyone to do, but why am I supposed to care? I've heard this argument a million times, guys. It's getting older than the Bush family's stupidity. Why not focus on the important stuff instead of how congress and the senate and all them can't find their *sses with both hands and a map? Cuz, y'know, there's a few wars going on and an epidemic and a whole lot of other things that are more important going on in the world, and isn't the news meant to inform us on all that instead of spreading propaganda? Or was that all in my imagination?
Unfortunately, we live in a world full of idiots who only believe whatever media tells them. Growing up here in my town was hell-- especially going to school. I was tormented because I was different or "not normal and gross". I even had a teacher who hated me in 4th grade:'( But I'm glad I'm done with all of that. I dislike labels as well but it's also how I identify myself as. You know? Love is love. :smile:
Shadow
the horror was for love
True. :/ And it's a pity cuz some of the people who adhere to what the media says with such fervor are people who are actually very intelligent...if only they'd come up with their own opinions on things.
=( I'm sorry it was, hon. *hugs* People, especially kids at times, can be so cruel. I think, in a way, I was lucky because it wasn't until I was being homeschooled that it finally clicked that I wasn't what some would call "normal" (and when I told my mum she was just like "yeah, I already figured that out; why're you so nervous?") and so I didn't really have to go through as much of the bullying. Until I was exposed to the internet. *thinks the internet makes some people strangely bold*
I know whatcha mean. =) Yep. ^^ Love is the important thing. And chocolate. Chocolate always helps. >_>
Lord Dante
Forever waiting.
-hugs;
Thanks for sharing your story with me. It really means a lot. The internet has both good and bad peeps >.<
If only people were more accepting around the world. But unfortunately, we live in a f-ed up one.
Ah, chocolate. The joys of eating Snickers in your car on a hot sunny day when suddenly you leave it on the cup holder and forget about it when you jump out to run to the store. Oh, the mess