Well Steve Rogers Was a Hydra Agent All Along

[Demi-fiend]

 

[AgentRedgrave]

i take it you aren't aware of the original ending to terminator salvation...

No, I hardly doubt it would have made THAT movie, any better

 

[AgentRedgrave]

@Foxtrot94
Which kinda goes into this, anyone can be CAPTAIN AMERICA, anyone can be a terminator.
But i totally agree with you on comics are soap operas, have you seen how many Marvel characters have kids or clones lol.
Have you seen The Hulk's son, Skaar.
Or the emotional battle between The Hulk vs Skaar.

What would be hilarious is if later on it was all a ruse by STEVE ROGERS trying to infiltrate hydra.
lol It could be like "Hail Hydra.......Not really" lol.

I'm aware of Skaar (Hulk's son) and Daken (Wolverine's son), as well as X-23 (Wolverine's Female Clone/Sister/Daughter...Seriously, he introduced her to the other students as his sister, but a couple of years ago, he told her he wanted to adopt her as his daughter)

EDIT: Oh and Batman technically has 4 sons and a daughter.
(Dick, Jason, Tim, Cassandra, and Damian)
And Superman has an adopted son named Chris, then theres Superboy, a human/kryptonian hybrid cloned from Superman and Lex Luthor (So technically, he has 2 dads)

 

[Foxtrot94]

@Foxtrot94
No i don't agree with you on that either.
STEVE ROGERS could be a triple agent.
2. I've long gotten over him being CAPTAIN AMERICA as others already been CAPTAIN AMERICA.

I'm sorry then. But I still think this twist is utter bullshit, stupid beyond belief and done for shock value rather than because it's an actually smart twist.

At this point I'm waiting for them to officially turn Peter Parker into, I dunno, a sadistic and uber violent vigilante for good, cause who cares, there've been other Spidermans in the past, makes total sense. Except, it doesn't.

I'm curious to see how this "Captain America is eeeviiiiiil" thing will develop, they seriously need to have something REALLY smart in store, also to explain the inconsistencies this is gonna bring up. @AgentRedgrave I think you mentioned one? The fact that he lifted Thor's hammer, while he shouldn't have been worthy, being a an agent of a neo Nazi organization?

 

[AgentRedgrave]

I'm sorry then. But I still think this twist is utter bullshit, stupid beyond belief and done for shock value rather than because it's an actually smart twist.

At this point I'm waiting for them to officially turn Peter Parker into, I dunno, a sadistic and uber violent vigilante for good, cause who cares, there've been other Spidermans in the past, makes total sense. Except, it doesn't.

I'm curious to see how this "Captain America is eeeviiiiiil" thing will develop, they seriously need to have something REALLY smart in store, also to explain the inconsistencies this is gonna bring up. @AgentRedgrave I think you mentioned one? The fact that he lifted Thor's hammer, while he shouldn't have been worthy, being a an agent of a neo Nazi organization?

Yes exactly, it happened in the comics, I first heard about it in Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Thor stated that besides himself, Beta Ray Bill (Not sure if that's right), Storm (From the X-Men) and Captain America have held it.
If he was secretly a villain, then it doesn't make any sense

 

[Teal]

@AgentRedgrave I think you mentioned one? The fact that he lifted Thor's hammer, while he shouldn't have been worthy, being a an agent of a neo Nazi organization?

That only proves the lingering theory that Asgardians are also Nazis. Think about it; all the main Asgardians have blonde hair, with the exception of one Asian dude who signifies Germany's alliance with Japan. And then there's Loki, who's despised by everyone just because he doesn't have a pure Aryan...I mean, Asgardian bloodline. All the clues are there.

 

[AgentRedgrave]

That only proves the lingering theory that Asgardians are also Nazis. Think about it; all the main Asgardians have blonde hair, with the exception of one Asian dude who signifies Germany's alliance with Japan. And then there's Loki, who's despised by everyone just because he doesn't have a pure Aryan...I mean, Asgardian bloodline. All the clues are there.

So then Storm's a Nazi?

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Then at this point Captain America should have a shield with a swastika on it. I don't know, seriously, I'm not buying that he's "evil". He's a hero, just look at what he's done. I also don't see how this was done to generate more interest in his character. I mean surely that's what the movies are there for too, right? You know, to get people interested in those characters and such. Yeah they've got to think of different storylines and such, and this one happens to be quite controversial. However, I doubt that he's evil and all for the bad guys. There's probably other reasons why he's been working for Hydra, and those reasons probably aren't related to him doing so because he's a bad guy himself. That would simply be dumb.

 

[Teal]

@LordOfDarkness, more importantly, I don't think his involvement with HYDRA has bern hinted before. Hell, I'd be perfectly okay with Cap being a Nazi if there was atleast some build-up to it.

 

[AgentRedgrave]

Then at this point Captain America should have a shield with a swastika on it. I don't know, seriously, I'm not buying that he's "evil". He's a hero, just look at what he's done. I also don't see how this was done to generate more interest in his character. I mean surely that's what the movies are there for too, right? You know, to get people interested in those characters and such. Yeah they've got to think of different storylines and such, and this one happens to be quite controversial. However, I doubt that he's evil and all for the bad guys. There's probably other reasons why he's been working for Hydra, and those reasons probably aren't related to him doing so because he's a bad guy himself. That would simply be dumb.

Yes, exactly, Cap and Iron Man were pretty obscure to superhero fans, who didn't follow the comics. The MCU, has made them household names

 

[Demi-fiend]

http://georgiastatesignal.com/captain-america-trades-shield-swastika/

Despite the fans dislike of the new storyline, Marvel has no plans to change it anytime soon.

Spencer ominously warns fans, “This is something that is gonna have a profound effect on the Marvel universe. I’ve seen a lot of people say things like, ‘Oh, it’ll be wrapped up in the arc,’ or ‘Give it six months.’ And I can tell you, that’s not the case.”

Whatever lies ahead for Steve Rogers and Captain America, the Marvel comics universe will never be the same.

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[V's patron]

IGN.COM has an article on this fan theory that makes sense.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/05/26/crazy-captain-america-twist-possibly-explained-by-fan-theory

There was a recent reveal that SHIELD and HYDRA have existed long before WW2 so maybe they'll touch upon that.

 

[Teal]

IGN.COM has an article on this fan theory that makes sense.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/05/26/crazy-captain-america-twist-possibly-explained-by-fan-theory

There was a recent reveal that SHIELD and HYDRA have existed long before WW2 so maybe they'll touch upon that.

If this pans out to be true, then goddammit, I'm gonna have to convert all that bashing into a round of applause.

 

[V's patron]

http://www.newsarama.com/29507-marv...bbub-not-every-story-is-for-every-reader.html

Interview with the editor overseeing Captain America, Tom Breevort. He did confirm Cap isn't a neo nazi or antisemite, just hydra.

Note he did confirm it in one of the interviews he gave but if this doesn't have it, let me know so I can change it

 

[Rebel Dynasty]

I reject it. Like the article says--it goes against everything that Cap is, what motivates him, what makes him such an iconic character.

As far as I'm concerned, if it goes against the creator's intentions, then it's not canon. Nothing will convince me otherwise to ever view Cap as the villain. Don't get me wrong; I like a good fallen hero like anyone else. I like relatable antagonists I can sympathize with, and protagonists that make me angry at times--but Cap is supposed to be the golden boy. His type of hero is rare nowadays. For them to make this choice is just...cruel and baffling.

 

[berto]

Ugh.

What a silly twist. That'd be like Alfred been the real genius/detective mastermind behind Batman, or that stupid concept for that movie about how Shakespeare didn't write his plays. I don't hate American comics but stuff like this is why I tend to lean towards the Japanese circuit more, because the characters aren't tossed to every writer who wants to turn each character into whatever they want them to be rather than what they actually are meant to be. These twists and turns and interpretations and shifts in character focus/powerlevels/personalities/ages all sound like fanfiction level interpretations to me.

 

[Maxman]

eeeeeeh

I dont think i will buy that statement ever again

>duurrr Peter wont be coming back ever again as Spidey after Ock takes over his body

Fool me once, shame on you

Try to Fool me twice , the jokes on you

Pretty sure they gonna change it up some time

 

[Lain]

I don't mind a good twist, but this appears to go completely against the creator's vision for the character and that's just wrong.

Although I thought this was interesting...

or that stupid concept for that movie about how Shakespeare didn't write his plays.

Well to be fair, that is an actual debate in real life.
http://www.williamshakespearefacts.com/did-he-write-his-plays.html

 

[Demi-fiend]

http://screenrant.com/captain-america-hydra-stan-lee-response/

“It’s a hell of a clever idea; I don’t know that I would ever have thought of it for him to be a double agent, but it’s going to make you curious, it’s going to make you want to read the books, they’ll probably do a movie based on it, so I can’t fault it; it’s a good idea. I think it’s crazy, but it’s a good idea.”

 

[berto]

Well to be fair, that is an actual debate in real life.
http://www.williamshakespearefacts.com/did-he-write-his-plays.html

I believe you. I still find it stupid.