Rebel Dynasty
Creator of Microcosms
Oh gods, I didn't even think about that. :/ No wonder it's so low-key. One of these days, people will learn a person's sexual orientation doesn't make them or break them.
Or, you know....hopefully they'll learn.
The ranting thinking thread
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Oh gods, I didn't even think about that. :/ No wonder it's so low-key. One of these days, people will learn a person's sexual orientation doesn't make them or break them.
Or, you know....hopefully they'll learn.
ItWasAnEggTimer
Same as it ever was
C'mon Sucker Punch, announce a Eugene DLC already!
Meg
Well-known Member
"Even people you?" What do you mean?
Demi-fiend
Metempsychosis
While it is rather silly, I for one don't like the fact they can take on an entire horde of demons with nothing but a leather bikini. Sure, there's supposed to be, "suspension of disbelief", but there's also a limit to that, you know?
That, and I just like the idea of women having as much armor as guys do -- it's nice to see if they can provide substance without sacrificing a bit of style.
Anyway, female eye candy (pretty men) are probably just as toned and waxed than even the male eye candy ("disproportionate" women) -- so yes, you're onto something, there.
Hey, that reminds me -- how many times do you plan on bringing this up?
http://devilmaycry.org/threads/so-how-come-f-you-is-the-first-thing-people-use.19387/
Maybe the third (fourth? I honestly don't know) time will end up being the charm, Meg. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that.
Hang in there and maybe one day, people will stop talking about all the hate they received just because they chose the wrong game to like.
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"I heard you got hate for being a fan so I decided to hate on them for hating on being a fan."
Yeah, I got that completely wrong. :/
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If by mainstream media you think only of Western companies, then yeah, it will be a bit longer till you start seeing gay couples in games (say thank you to screaming religious zealots afraid of their own sexuality). Games, TV already has them, just not doing the dirty deed on-screen in most cases.
Japan has been pumping BL games for ages now, and for a few years now some of them got translated to English and made their way to western market through a licensing company.
Even without official translation, fans have been busy bees translating these games and making them available to their English speaking peers (just like with anime). That is how for example DRAMAtical Murder got it's huge popularity. I knew about it, watched someone play it on youtube cause I was too lazy to install the game, and I'm not really known as being in touch with modern gaming, just being in touch with what people talk about.
The game even got it's own anime thanks to the popularity and was streamed officially on crunchyroll while unoficially you can get it anywhere on internet.
Also, Metal Gear: Peace Walker has a bonus mission titled "date with Kaz", which is them meeting on beach, Snake throwing some punches and then they both end up under love box with hearts popping up. You can even use the bonus costumes where they are stripped to swim briefs.
So yeah, there are companies that cater to female audience, but like I said before, one just needs to move away from most advertised titles and dig a little deeper.
Exejpgwmv
Well-known Member
Not gonna disagree with you there, but realise that the West makes up most of the market(Gaming that is.)
And we have slowly been making progress.
Innsmouth
Sleeping DMC Fan
Well west makes most of market, because while many japanese devs taking time to polish or at least think about games, West just overfloods it with mainstream. I think Ubisoft soon beats FF amount of games with it 2-4 ACs per year :meh:. Hell with their budget anyone can make AC game (not that much creativity required for it). And I don't even talk about Activision with it's CoDs. Problem is that 90% of west devs are just milking everything they could and/or copycating more successful ones. (*cough* Watchdogs. Making it rather money flood process instead of creative development.
I just went to make a quick comparison out of curiosity.
Metal Gear series has been around since 1987. In that time they made 9 main titles, plus few spin-offs and polished new editions of existing games. That's 27 years with most of it coming out in past decade, but main titles are still far apart from each other and some side titles were made by different companies.
Final Fantasy also first came out in 1987. I counted 14 main titles, while spin-offs were a bit too troublesome to count (cause of rebranding and what not), but it's a longish list. 27 years.
Assassins Creed was around since 2007. In that time 8 titles came out in main series plus 12 other games. In just 7 years.
Call of Duty. Since 2003. Main series counts 11 titles, I counted another 10 in category of console and handheld titles. In 11 years.
Sad part is that everything is mass-produced this way today to please young generations that get bored quickly. Kinda like spoiled kids that can't appreciate a single toy cause they were always surrounded by at least dozen others, so they become addicted to the very feeling of getting new stuff.
Movies have all the shiny and amazing CGI, but without it the movie falls apart. Also, I love a superhero here and there, but it seems they are really milking that cow lately.
Music is repetitive, made mostly of sequences from database (which is why often songs sound very alike these days, someone from the industry actually admitted this practice) and the whole industry looks more like they are producing soft porn. Have to make a note that I noticed those who complain about characters like Bayonetta tend to adore Niki Minaj and Beyonce as examples of powerful women. Oh the irony.
New phones come out before you even manage to get used to the previous model.
Etc.
Lord Nero
Ultraviolet Sentinel
LOL, this is ridiculous. As soon as someone mentions that there were more threads whining about the people who disliked DmC than there were threads hating on DmC, you get an offended response by someone who prefers DmC.
It plays out like a joke.
Meg said:
''They keep popping up*, and they're so pointless.''
*threads complaining about people who didn't like DmC, and about how DMC3/4 Dante is sh*t and DmC did it all much better... etc etc.
Response:
''Hang in there and maybe one day, people will stop talking about all the hate they received just because they chose the wrong game to like.'' (DmC)
Sarcasm again. Just because you're acting like you're traumatized by all the past hate towards DmC, that doesn't mean you have the right to insult people, be a passive-aggressive nag, and keep bringing up how offended you are.
Some don't like DmC. Like Meg said, get over it. Why even respond? You're just proving her point! DmC didn't sell very well. Know why that is? Because most people didn't like it much. I'm sure you're just going to fully attribute it to the part of the fanbase that hated on DmC, though. -__-
Stuck in the past much? No need to act like you 'deserve your DmC2'. We got DmC, but other than that, we deserve nothing. Devs make games based on what they think gamers like, and if they don't get the revenue they wanted, they'll change it all up. If DmC is received mildly by gamers, it's not their fault DmC failed. You can't fault them for having opinions different to yours.
If this goes on, I'm reporting it. This is supposed to be a decent forum, where we accept that opinions are not facts, but we also accept they hold a lot of power. We should accept that most opinions can't be changed, just like you can't say I'm wrong for liking the color blue. Yours is no more important than anyone else's. We shouldn't defend obnoxious behavior just because of free speech, or because people want to vent by bashing others into the ground.
It plays out like a joke.
Meg said:
''They keep popping up*, and they're so pointless.''
*threads complaining about people who didn't like DmC, and about how DMC3/4 Dante is sh*t and DmC did it all much better... etc etc.
Response:
''Hang in there and maybe one day, people will stop talking about all the hate they received just because they chose the wrong game to like.'' (DmC)
Sarcasm again. Just because you're acting like you're traumatized by all the past hate towards DmC, that doesn't mean you have the right to insult people, be a passive-aggressive nag, and keep bringing up how offended you are.
Some don't like DmC. Like Meg said, get over it. Why even respond? You're just proving her point! DmC didn't sell very well. Know why that is? Because most people didn't like it much. I'm sure you're just going to fully attribute it to the part of the fanbase that hated on DmC, though. -__-
Stuck in the past much? No need to act like you 'deserve your DmC2'. We got DmC, but other than that, we deserve nothing. Devs make games based on what they think gamers like, and if they don't get the revenue they wanted, they'll change it all up. If DmC is received mildly by gamers, it's not their fault DmC failed. You can't fault them for having opinions different to yours.
If this goes on, I'm reporting it. This is supposed to be a decent forum, where we accept that opinions are not facts, but we also accept they hold a lot of power. We should accept that most opinions can't be changed, just like you can't say I'm wrong for liking the color blue. Yours is no more important than anyone else's. We shouldn't defend obnoxious behavior just because of free speech, or because people want to vent by bashing others into the ground.
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LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
@Pyroblade: There's their defence though, my good friend. They'll stick behind the whole 'Oh but my opinion = me not doing any wrong'. Even though there is a thread stating about how members shouldn't try to think they are better than others and thinking their opinion is fact. And there is also a thread that states not to constantly bash DmC (Regardless to how well it was/wasn't received) At the end of the day they will scoff and say "I'm allowed to post what I want. It's my opinion" and so forth. I guess the only way to fault somebody's attitude would be to report their comments. Everything downgrading or hateful they have said will be recorded and in the end the Staff would warn them about their behaviour or in a more logical manner (considering such member was repeating this behaviour and did not seem likely to change) they would be banned.
Innsmouth
Sleeping DMC Fan
It started with Standardization and still on track till this year. Why put handy work, when you can just copy paste what you already have, and people still buy it? In the end if we talk about AC (best example imo) They don't even need to think about costume design, or characters design, or achitecture. Just open history book, and you have everything before you
Rebel Dynasty
Creator of Microcosms
Said limit is subjective; DMC has always been known for its over-the-top approach in regards to pretty much everything...physics, mostly. The DMC games have always been a major "F you" to physics. Yeah, it may not seem practical, but technically....well, fighting in very little clothing would allow for more maneuverability.
Naturally, it's a double-edged sword, since the lack of clothing (and armour, by extension) leaves you more vulnerable...but hey, she's a demon, she can handle it. Again, it's DMC--balls to the wall action is what they deliver, however impractical it may appear (realism is overrated, anyway).
Yeah, can't say I like this: Meg wouldn't need to bring it up, if people would stop bitching and moaning about how some people, "still don't like DmC." And the wrong game part...dude, don't. Just...don't. There's no sense in picking a fight over something like this. You seem bent on seeing the DmC supporters and non-supporters in an extreme; you leave no room for those who fall in the middle. Like think of the people who like both, for instance; come on, we both know those people, here. Or how about those who, despite not being fond of one or the other (or of specific variations, such as liking DMC 1, but not liking 3, but liking DmC and DMC4, or what-have-you...any combination). I think you're simplifying something that's a bit more complex than that. I don't like DmC, yet you don't breathe down my neck about it--but you breathe down other's necks over it? I'm just trying to understand this. It's not like everyone else who doesn't like DmC is constantly ragging on it, either. Hell, even those who do like it can admit its faults without losing their appreciation for it.
Long story short? Live and let live; opinions are just that--opinions. Nothing more or less. No need to get bent out of shape over it.
And then many of us look at pictures of old handcraft, of old games with old fashioned graphics, but also with a captivating story and challenging gameplay, and sigh to ourselves...It started with Standardization and still on track till this year. Why put handy work, when you can just copy paste what you already have, and people still buy it? In the end if we talk about AC (best example imo) They don't even need to think about costume design, or characters design, or architecture. Just open history book, and you have everything before you
Oh yes, if they opened our history books alone they would find material for at least another ten games. There was a lot of conflict on these areas... And that's just one small part of the whole world.
Meg
Well-known Member
Twice. This was the second time I brought it up. And this time was in the "ranting thinking thread." You know, the correct place to rant about something that's bothering you in the moment.
Oh I see; that makes sense. :smile:
Here's my thing. Yeah the current trend could be a lot worse. It's not like before when every few days a new hate thread popped up. But look at it this way, the climate on the forum is very pro-DmC. And that's fine. But when people make threads and comments dedicated to complaining about people who dislike DmC, that helps create the image that people who dislike DmC aren't welcome. In fact, there have been members who got annoyed when anti-DmC people signed up like it was a competition or something. Forums are about people with different views and opinions from around the world coming together to have discussions. These threads help feed the one-track minded forum climate that has always seemed to exist since the reboot was announced. First everyone here had to hate DmC or else. Then everyone had to love it. Whenever the forum seemed to swing from one side to the other, people would get upset.
Sure the threads are more a symptom to a larger problem of people not knowing how to be adults and talk with people they disagree with so they instead decide to complain about those people. Hey, I could complain about the people who still hate Mass Effect 3's ending because, even though the game didn't have the branching story lines it should of had, the ending is still really brilliant and people who can't see that are just being stubborn. But here's the thing. That game came out over two years ago and people have a right to think what they want. I can think ME3's ending was awesome. Plenty of people disagree. But I'm not going to complain about those people because that would be counter productive to what a forum is and only serve to further fuel my need for validation on something that doesn't require any.
And yeah, banning said threads wouldn't be solving the problem because, like I said, they are only a symptom, but treating symptoms is still important. And would result in fewer headaches from me (and anyone who agrees) bashing my head into my desk over people's silliness.
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Dante's Stalker
"Outrun this!"
Patriotism :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Just....ugh. Be loyal to your countrymen, not your physical country. Don't fight for glory, or medals, or to conquer.
We fought because we were pushed to it. When they set the wagons on fire with the women and children inside, and later when they tried to break down the doors and murder our men? We did what nature calls for. Like any dog cornered would do. We reacted, we fought back, to protect our families. We did not throw the first stone. We did not kill first. All we wanted was a fresh start in a new place. My ancestors came from Wales and Holland. I still can't believe this is the logic, the common sense I had to preach to my brother when he decided he wanted to join the American Navy after he graduated. He knows this. War isn't pretty. War isn't glorious and 'cool' like America had portrayed it in Hollywood movies and crap. When Uncle Sam says he wants YOU, you RUN in the opposite friggin direction. Don't fight a war that isn't even your own. We've got our own **** to deal with, and I never saw America lifting a hand to help us out. All they've done is mess up the truth of our 'rainbow nation' to the world. Deluded the world, as they do. America is not our ally, so don't you DARE risk your life for their revenge. Probably the most I spoke to him IN YEARS back then. Don't be a patriot. Don't confirm their false perspective that Boere like to fight for the hell of it, because we don't. We are a God fearing people.
Now it seems history is on a loop again.
Ten to thirteen years ago, there was serious talk about an uprising, a civil war. Because we gave the suppressed race a hand to pull them onto our level, they dragged us in by the arm, broke our arm and stomped all over it. Instead of saying thank you, they said 'we'll take that and eff your whole family over too'. This is no different to what happened in the Boer War. This is no different. Whoever thought (may you turn in your grave Mandela) that the black people could be negotiated with, could be reasoned with, could uphold a treaty of any sort, was either the greatest terrorist this world has ever seen, or he was a complete and totally idealist idiot. Yes, I'm generalising, because the general black populace do whatever they want, because they think they can, without consequence. The black people who have sense and understand that this is not the way forward for the country, are sadly few and far between. AND they're doing exactly what the white people are doing: they're leaving the country.
It's all we CAN do without starting a war.
And in the meantime, there are old folk getting slaughtered, children abused in their schools and kindergartens, young families being murdered in their own beds. People hi-jacked and shot in their own driveways. Women and girls being attacked in their back gardens or stepping into their own homes and raped. People being robbed in public spaces, ON national TV no less, during a bloody interview.
This is news in South Africa. Every. Day.
If you've ever watched the movie Rango, where the 'big boss' guy lives in luxury and his people suffer, where he's hiding all the water for himself and giving little to none to his people? Picture Zuma as the big boss guy. Only with the thirst to kill, as well, so he'd be singing songs on national TV with his deceived people about killing white folk.
I kid you not.
No exaggerations.
This is reality without the sugarcoating.
And I say deceived because Zuma is a prick in his own league. He makes his own people suffer just as much, if not worse - considering they were worse off than us from the start - but yet they still believe his lies, they still trust him, they still follow him, and x amount of years later they are still waiting for their lives to get easier. To get more. To get better.
And they're not going to. Zuma is taking it all for himself. He's renaming things and letting his people break down things. He's building nothing up. He's contributing nothing.
So I'm really hoping that the stubborn-ass Boere who are too patriotic to admit it's not going to change and that it's best they relocate elsewhere, will suddenly wake up and smell the coffee, and RELOCATE. Before Zuma gets it into his head to use them as labourers to build up what he'd let die.
Leave the country while you can. Leave it to rot into its own hell.
We fought because we were pushed to it. When they set the wagons on fire with the women and children inside, and later when they tried to break down the doors and murder our men? We did what nature calls for. Like any dog cornered would do. We reacted, we fought back, to protect our families. We did not throw the first stone. We did not kill first. All we wanted was a fresh start in a new place. My ancestors came from Wales and Holland. I still can't believe this is the logic, the common sense I had to preach to my brother when he decided he wanted to join the American Navy after he graduated. He knows this. War isn't pretty. War isn't glorious and 'cool' like America had portrayed it in Hollywood movies and crap. When Uncle Sam says he wants YOU, you RUN in the opposite friggin direction. Don't fight a war that isn't even your own. We've got our own **** to deal with, and I never saw America lifting a hand to help us out. All they've done is mess up the truth of our 'rainbow nation' to the world. Deluded the world, as they do. America is not our ally, so don't you DARE risk your life for their revenge. Probably the most I spoke to him IN YEARS back then. Don't be a patriot. Don't confirm their false perspective that Boere like to fight for the hell of it, because we don't. We are a God fearing people.
Now it seems history is on a loop again.
Ten to thirteen years ago, there was serious talk about an uprising, a civil war. Because we gave the suppressed race a hand to pull them onto our level, they dragged us in by the arm, broke our arm and stomped all over it. Instead of saying thank you, they said 'we'll take that and eff your whole family over too'. This is no different to what happened in the Boer War. This is no different. Whoever thought (may you turn in your grave Mandela) that the black people could be negotiated with, could be reasoned with, could uphold a treaty of any sort, was either the greatest terrorist this world has ever seen, or he was a complete and totally idealist idiot. Yes, I'm generalising, because the general black populace do whatever they want, because they think they can, without consequence. The black people who have sense and understand that this is not the way forward for the country, are sadly few and far between. AND they're doing exactly what the white people are doing: they're leaving the country.
It's all we CAN do without starting a war.
And in the meantime, there are old folk getting slaughtered, children abused in their schools and kindergartens, young families being murdered in their own beds. People hi-jacked and shot in their own driveways. Women and girls being attacked in their back gardens or stepping into their own homes and raped. People being robbed in public spaces, ON national TV no less, during a bloody interview.
This is news in South Africa. Every. Day.
If you've ever watched the movie Rango, where the 'big boss' guy lives in luxury and his people suffer, where he's hiding all the water for himself and giving little to none to his people? Picture Zuma as the big boss guy. Only with the thirst to kill, as well, so he'd be singing songs on national TV with his deceived people about killing white folk.
I kid you not.
No exaggerations.
This is reality without the sugarcoating.
And I say deceived because Zuma is a prick in his own league. He makes his own people suffer just as much, if not worse - considering they were worse off than us from the start - but yet they still believe his lies, they still trust him, they still follow him, and x amount of years later they are still waiting for their lives to get easier. To get more. To get better.
And they're not going to. Zuma is taking it all for himself. He's renaming things and letting his people break down things. He's building nothing up. He's contributing nothing.
So I'm really hoping that the stubborn-ass Boere who are too patriotic to admit it's not going to change and that it's best they relocate elsewhere, will suddenly wake up and smell the coffee, and RELOCATE. Before Zuma gets it into his head to use them as labourers to build up what he'd let die.
Leave the country while you can. Leave it to rot into its own hell.