Nero's origins - What do you think?

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Pyroblade said:
*How do you know that's not the case? You haven't given any evidence to disprove it. You're just making assumptions now. I think it was said that the Rebellion carries Dante's soul (that's why the sword was 'awakened'), so why wouldn't the Yamato carry Vergil's soul?

As for being a descendant of Sparda, being Vergil's son is not the only explanation for that. As you can read in the 32 pages of this thread.

The Yamato does not need to choose anyone - where did you come up with that? It's quite possible Dante would've been able to restore it just like Nero did. As far as I know, Nero can restore the Yamato because he is related to Sparda, just like Dante and Vergil are.
It's obvious Vergil's soul (or part of it) is inside the Yamato. If it isn't, then what was Nero's whole Vergil speech good for? How would his blue Devil Trigger (with a sheath for Yamato) be explicable? If it's his own Devil Trigger, wouldn't it make sense for it to be red and blue or purple just like the rest of him?
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I DO know that obtaining the power of a demon's weapon does NOT explain how one might have demon power long before said encounter with the weapon. Also, please read through, no need to react with "now you're assuming" when I did just in fact assume a part of OTHER people's theories incorrectly explaining Nero's demonic identity prior to the discovery of Yamato. I am NOT saying Yamato chose Nero, I'm specifically saying I do NOT know what those particular theorists actually claim about how/why Yamato was repaired under the circumstances. Nero could be Sparda's reincarnation, but cannot be true unless Nero is in another way his blood descendant. Did any of the artwork that WAS used make it into the artbook? I can't recall at this moment.
 
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TonyRedgraveDMC said:
I DO know that obtaining the power of a demon's weapon does NOT explain how one might have demon power long before said encounter with the weapon. Also, please read through, no need to react with "now you're assuming" when I did just in fact assume a part of OTHER people's theories incorrectly explaining Nero's demonic identity prior to the discovery of Yamato. I am NOT saying Yamato chose Nero, I'm specifically saying I do NOT know what those particular theorists actually claim about how/why Yamato was repaired under the circumstances. Nero could be Sparda's reincarnation, but cannot be true unless Nero is in another way his blood descendant. Did any of the artwork that WAS used make it into the artbook? I can't recall at this moment.
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It was actually stated that he has Sparda blood, so this does makes him Sparda's descendant into one way or another.
 
Innsmouth said:
It was actually stated that he has Sparda blood, so this does makes him Sparda's descendant into one way or another.
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Yes, he is for a fact a "descendant of Sparda's blood", but in what way is up for debate. I strongly believe that Nero is Vergil's son, and that few other theories are as believable.
 
TonyRedgraveDMC said:
Yes, he is for a fact a "descendant of Sparda's blood", but in what way is up for debate. I strongly believe that Nero is Vergil's son, and that few other theories are as believable.
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Well with Capcom put theory about Vergil's son in their official guide it's most likely as good as confirmed
 
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Hm.

You know I am not as keen on the theory of Nero being Vergil's son. However I guess I would happily take it as canon if they explained how he is.
 
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LordOfDarkness said:
Hm.

You know I am not as keen on the theory of Nero being Vergil's son. However I guess I would happily take it as canon if they explained how he is.
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Well, It's quite contradicting, but it's what devs themselves decided...so...we have to take it with grain of salt
 
TonyRedgraveDMC said:
Yes, he is for a fact a "descendant of Sparda's blood", but in what way is up for debate. I strongly believe that Nero is Vergil's son, and that few other theories are as believable.
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I edited my previous comment - I did not read your comment correctly.
I'll explain below.

Yeah, the Yamato giving Nero Vergil's soul does not explain why he always had white hair, OR his Devil Bringer. But I never said it did... so who are you replying to?

Being Vergil's son is not the only explanation for being a descendant of Sparda. These 32 pages explain that. The fact is, there is no evidence for Nero being Vergil's son. Even if an artbook says ''he really is Vergil's son'' (this is what the artbook apparently said), then it's still not proof. Artbooks are not good indicators of whether or not something is canon. Remember that in some of the art, Nero has a real Devil Trigger like Dante. His normal appearance is also very different. Dante's DT is completely different in the art too. I do not consider any artbook to be proof, as you can scribble anything into it. Most of the ideas in artbooks are not canon because they didn't make it into the final product (the game or novel).

''Nero could be Sparda's reincarnation, but cannot be true unless Nero is in another way his blood descendant.''

And why can't it be true? Reincarnation has to do with the transference of the soul into an unborn child after death. If Nero is Sparda's reincarnation, that does not mean he is identical to Sparda. It only means that he received Sparda's soul (or parts of it). I suppose that even if he's related to Sparda, he can still be his reincarnation.

But I personally think he is an experiment somehow connected to Sparda. Everything just seems to hint at that. If he is Vergil's son, it would not make sense for Berial to tell him he is ''just like he was'', meaning Sparda. It wouldn't make sense for him to have the exact opposite of Sparda's story (Sparda sacrificed his demon part, Nero sacrificed much of his humanity). It also wouldn't make sense for him to wear red and blue clothing, and to use the Red Queen and the Blue Rose. It would not make sense for him to have a purple aura when he uses the Devil Trigger. And the novel said that there is no record of him being born, which could be another hint that he wasn't born naturally.
What is clear to me is that he channels Vergil's soul through his Devil Trigger. He says Vergil's ''power'' line, he gets a blue demon behind him, and without it he has no Devil Trigger. He even uses Vergil's 'jackpot' battle line when he does an attack in Devil Trigger. Does that mean he is Vergil's son? No.
 
Innsmouth said:
none :( They just said he is. But it was official Capcom character guide, so there is no way around it unless they backdown on their own words, which probably not gonna happen
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I have a theory. I'd happily share it if you'd be willing to listen?
 
Innsmouth said:
I heard it was anniversary character guide to all Capcom characters
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Ah, I see it:

http://devilmaycry.org/threads/30th-anniversary-capcom-character-encyclopedia.17022/

Too bad I can't read what it says about Nero, as there's only a little video and a sample of the guide. Can somebody tell me what it says about Nero? Does anyone have a clear picture showing where it says he is Vergil's son? And no ''he may be his son'' or something, because that doesn't help.
 
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Innsmouth said:
sure, go on :) Also here's some insight on your previous question, though it still not helpful: http://www.capcom-unity.com/carbo/b..._devil_may_cry_news_no_new_game_unfortunately
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Well my theory looks at Vergil's ability to teleport and thus in a way partially manipulate time and space.

Vergil states he wants more power. He musters the ability to control dark magic from an early age. In doing so he builds upon his strength to bend time and space, much like Mundus' power. Vergil does impregnate a woman when he is technically '13', although really he is 16 and tkis happens not long before DMC 3. However, using so much dark energy to make himself transverse back in time ends up making him weak. So my theory is Vergil + Dark Magic + Time and space Manipulation = Nero's birth

I would also say that Vergil almost dies as a result of this. A very far fetched idea, but l like it more than just 'Nero IS Vergil's son!!!' - No explanation.
 
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Pyroblade said:
Ah, I see it:

http://devilmaycry.org/threads/30th-anniversary-capcom-character-encyclopedia.17022/

Too bad I can't read what it says about Nero, as there's only a little video and a sample of the guide. Can somebody tell me what it says about Nero? Does anyone have a clear picture showing where it says he is Vergil's son? And no ''he may be his son'' or something, because that doesn't help.
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Actually, I do, how do I share said images? It does not btw, it merely lists conclusions fans have come to, and specifies that at that time there are no concrete answers.
 
LordOfDarkness said:
Well my theory looks at Vergil's ability to teleport and thus in a way partially manipulate time and space.

Vergil states he wants more power. He musters the ability to control dark magic from an early age. In doing so he builds upon his strength to bend time and space, much like Mundus' power. Vergil does impregnate a woman when he is technically '13', although really he is 16 and tkis happens not long before DMC 3. However, using so much dark energy to make himself transverse back in time ends up making him weak. So my theory is Vergil + Dark Magic + Time and space Manipulation = Nero's birth

I would also say that Vergil almost dies as a result of this. A very far fetched idea, but l like it more than just 'Nero IS Vergil's son!!!' - No explanation.
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Hmm.. It's not creazier than 13-years old impregnation. I understan what you mean. Yup, it kinda strange, but I think they wanted to tell his story in next game, that probably not gonna happen now :( I thought that may be Nero grows up faster or something, kinda like Dizzy in GG, you know?
TonyRedgraveDMC said:
Actually, I do, how do I share said images? It does not btw, it merely lists conclusions fans have come to, and specifies that at that time there are no concrete answers.
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It does though in link that I putted in, where one of devs confirmed it. (As for guide I dunno, like I said I only heard about it)
 
TonyRedgraveDMC said:
As I said earlier, Sanctus can't be mistrusted when his facts are vital to his evil plan. If it was indeed just postulation, Sanctus would have disregarded Nero and went after Dante and/or Nero would not have sufficed and Sanctus would have had complications with the Savior. When the villain (whose organization you work for) tells you his doomsday weapon runs on X and he needs you because secretly you are made of/generate X, it's not really in his best interest to lie, and when it turns out you successfully power up the doomsday weapon, it does not make a lot of sense to claim he was wrong.
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True. Though it is always possible that Sanctus assumed that Nero is a descendant of Sparda simply because of Nero's white hair (were there any white-haired part-demons beyond those related to Sparda? If not, then simple fact that Nero is demonic and has white hair might have been all that Sanctus needed).

As for the reincarnation, I'm not saying he CAN'T be Sparda's reincarnation, but that's only possible if he's Sparda's reincarnation because of A and is Sparda's blood relative because of B. In my opinion, while wearing red and blue doesn't necessarily prove anything at all besides symbolically being tied to Dante/Vergil/Sparda.. so imo Nero is designed to have inherited more of Sparda's traits (symbolically, since you can't necessarily inherit personality traits) and perhaps some of Sparda's more dominant demon genes. Again, just imo Vergil copulating with a human as a teenager is more believable than Sparda having a child with someone after Eva, OR having an unspoken sibling for that matter.
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More believable, maybe, but far from the only possibility.

That being said...
http://www.capcom-unity.com/carbo/b..._devil_may_cry_news_no_new_game_unfortunately

Now, it was a localization employee, so how reliable it would be?

Pyroblade said:
It could be possible he's Sparda's reincarnation, but that would mean he's in possession of his soul, or part of it. It doesn't mean his body is in any way connected to Sparda.
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True.

Now, as I said, reasons why I came to accept reincarnation theory as possible are:
1) Dante is red, Vergil is blue, Nero is red and blue, and Sparda is purple (red+blue). Nero's DT has purple aura, though DT itself is blue.
2) Berial said to Nero that he is "just like he was", "he" being Sparda
3) Nero awakened Yamato, though this might have been doable even if he is a descendant of Sparda
4) as noted by others, Nero's own story mirrors Sparda's
 
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