Nero's origins - What do you think?
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"Power, Give me more power!" is not the exact words as "I NEED more power". Please re-reference both scenes, they have totally different contexts
Honestly I think he is like the reincarnation of Sparda, highly unlikely but in my opinion better theory then him being Vergil's son. Honestly I don't see it:/.
Pretty sure Capcom confirmed him to be Vergil's son a year or two after DMC4's release.
Don't quote me on that.
Don't quote me on that.
An ex capcom employee wrote a non canon book and a localization employee who had no part in the development of 4
This...Still lives?
Fair enough then. My final say is what follows. Ninja Theory create DmC to go deeper into the backstory of the characters. These characters already had backstories, or could of had better ones. That's why they were hired, to improve on something that already existed. DmC doesn't make Devil May Cry any better, at least not in my opinion. A lot of fans want the answers for the original storyline.
People don't like Nero because of this point alone. People will only retaliate against what they can't accept. Nobody can accept a 'truth' about Nero, because there isn't one.
Every point made about Nero, even factually based, can somehow be contradicted by another theory. Nero's character thrives on the contradiction scale. Everything is flawed and at fault, and Capcom really screwed up. In answer to this thread, there is your reason for the Nero 'hate/disapproval'. Answer the questions, solve the dislike and disputes.
Capcom look to be doing no such thing since DMC 4's release back in 2008. That was a long time ago.
And the same thing goes for Vergil. I have seen people coming on here and having a go about how Vergil isn't 'cool' and does nothing for the story. He was a key part of the story for Dante. From his birth, upbringing and during his teenage years and somewhat later life. Vergil was a fundemental part of the story, and added to the structual integrity of it. But yet because he got 'killed off' he is no longer a decent character.
Here they have created characters but have done them little justice in terms of plots and the like. Hence probably the reboot and DmC arriving. Not that it was a bad thing, but it could of been avoided. If Capcom could be bothered to pull the pieces together and just answer questions that they have made problems for themselves and for fans to accept what is actually true about Devil May Cry and what isn't.
Fair enough then. My final say is what follows. Ninja Theory create DmC to go deeper into the backstory of the characters. These characters already had backstories, or could of had better ones. That's why they were hired, to improve on something that already existed. DmC doesn't make Devil May Cry any better, at least not in my opinion. A lot of fans want the answers for the original storyline.
People don't like Nero because of this point alone. People will only retaliate against what they can't accept. Nobody can accept a 'truth' about Nero, because there isn't one.
Every point made about Nero, even factually based, can somehow be contradicted by another theory. Nero's character thrives on the contradiction scale. Everything is flawed and at fault, and Capcom really screwed up. In answer to this thread, there is your reason for the Nero 'hate/disapproval'. Answer the questions, solve the dislike and disputes.
Capcom look to be doing no such thing since DMC 4's release back in 2008. That was a long time ago.
And the same thing goes for Vergil. I have seen people coming on here and having a go about how Vergil isn't 'cool' and does nothing for the story. He was a key part of the story for Dante. From his birth, upbringing and during his teenage years and somewhat later life. Vergil was a fundemental part of the story, and added to the structual integrity of it. But yet because he got 'killed off' he is no longer a decent character.
Here they have created characters but have done them little justice in terms of plots and the like. Hence probably the reboot and DmC arriving. Not that it was a bad thing, but it could of been avoided. If Capcom could be bothered to pull the pieces together and just answer questions that they have made problems for themselves and for fans to accept what is actually true about Devil May Cry and what isn't.
The novel is canon, don't say it isn't because such thing never was stated, and if it's bias, then dmc1 novel and dmc3 manga aren't canon either
The Info in the DMC1 prequel novel is STILL canon, as DMC was done after the fact and includes nothing to controdicts the novel, you just have to rethink assumptions on it's timeline placement, but Deadly Fortune DOES outright radically change a number of ket story points and contridicts the game's story mutiple times. It's Bingo's personal head!canon version of what happened, not the official game version, since Dante is 29 in DMC4, not nearly 40, Nero is too old to be Vergil's son, and he never had a flashback while dying of seeing what is vaguely Vergil in the game. We saw exactly what was in his mind during his trigger, it was not some reflection on a dream he was having.
So yeah, if you wann'a try that "well these are not canon" card, then your precious horribly written Deadly Fortune cannot be canon if you say the other two novels and manga are not. Have fun with your ex-employee fanfic. BTW, even if he left after the fact, Kamiya was involved in the first novels writting, Kobayashi and Itsuno, the director and producer of DMC4, were NOT involved in Deadly Fortune. First novel carries directorial weight, DF does not.
Don't know why I stopped posting here. This is fun
Yeah, I totally agree. I personally believe part of Vergil's soul (or Sparda's soul, if you want to see it that way) is still inside the Yamato. Yes, swords can have souls in Japanese folklore. Yamato cried out to Nero for more power, and Nero's demonic side obliged. Enter Vergil's soul fragment as a crutch for Nero to be able to go into Devil Trigger. I wonder what would happen if he got a real Devil Trigger, and if that's even possible.
Yamato or the DB don't have the power to take over Nero, though. The Devil Bringer arm is Nero's own arm, which appears very similar to a partial Devil Trigger. Nobody knows more than that, and we should probably leave the DB alone. Nobody said Nero was possessed; he just said ''And a voice echoed: power. Give me more power!'' That's it.
Overall, Nero has a clearer connection to Sparda than to Vergil, as I stated in previous posts. He pretty much quotes Sparda (in reverse) when he goes into Devil Trigger in Agnus's lab. And perhaps that's the end for this thread.
Your avatar. Just saying.
Why are you lying?
Sparda never had any quotes in the games.
I do not have time for some meaningless possibility, only concrete facts. You are trying to pass Nero's words as Sparda like those who tried to connect the «give me more power» line to Vergil. Nowhere in the canon games, was it said or implied that he would endure exile for a mere female mortal, 2000 years ago.
Then get off the forums. Seriously, half of the forums is based on speculation. I have no time for people who respond to my comments only to say that they don't have time for them because they're 'meaningless'. I have played the games since 2002 or so, with DMC1. No offense, but don't lecture me on what is said in the games. I freaking know.
Thanks for the useless conversation, then.
I would say he is just a regular halfbreed who lived a average lifespan. That does not rule out he could be possessed by Vergil because Vergil would be more willing to posses a half-breed because their bodies are stronger than human beings.
The problem with the game was that they didn't commit to the character and the story so it suffers from lazy writing. The question of Nero being vergil/dante's kid could have been solved by just stating their ages in the game itself. You have data files on the characters so you could have just done that.
The game relies too much on trish's appearance to set up the timeline when it could have just done that through dialogue or taunts. Without her there is nothing that tells you when it takes place.
The problem with the game was that they didn't commit to the character and the story so it suffers from lazy writing. The question of Nero being vergil/dante's kid could have been solved by just stating their ages in the game itself. You have data files on the characters so you could have just done that.
The game relies too much on trish's appearance to set up the timeline when it could have just done that through dialogue or taunts. Without her there is nothing that tells you when it takes place.