Nero's origins - What do you think?
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meg5493
Praise the Sun!
Each mission lasts for about 1-2 days in game with each game occurring during a different part of his life besides the anime which we can assume was closer to 1 then it was to 4 so we don't know if he wore the same outfit for years and if he did isn't dante swamped with debt I doubt clothes would be on his mind
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Take that up with Capcom's design team, it's likely they threw that in as a hats off lead to the eventuality of DMC1 Keep in mind we never got told how long after the fall of Temen-ni-gru that epilogue scene was, but it also wasn't the same office building that the Hells totaled at the beginning.
BLACKSWIPE
"Waiting for one's arrival."
Just wanna say, your sig is awesome. Shiro and Saber for the win!This game's story is pretty weird. Everyone changes their mind in a minute.
As for Nero. Well, at some point Yamato reacted to him, so Sanctus thought that this pretty much means he is a descendant of Sparda's blood - whatever that means. Nero has no parents as he is an orphan. Dante didn't know him either - neither Trish who was working for Mundus. Nero's demonic powers are very weak, and only through Yamato he can transform into a Vergil-like Shadow/DT. So if Dante is a halfbreed then Nero is even less than that.
Nero loves Kyrie. Nero loves Kyrie. And Nero probably loves Kyrie.
That's all we know
BLACKSWIPE
"Waiting for one's arrival."
Personally with Nero, I'd like to think this. When Nero was a fetus, some of Sparda's/Vergil's powers tainted the child in birth, giving him some of their power.
V's patron
be loyal to what matters
I would say he is a hybrid of human/demon similar to dante/vergil and he was brought to Fortuna as part of a revenge scheme of Vergil's. He is the son of a enemy of Vergil's and what better revenge is to have your enemy be forgotten?
That doesn't necessarily rule out the Vergil Possession theory or the Sparda reincarnation theory but the game doesn't lend much evidence to either of them outside of circumstantial moments.
That doesn't necessarily rule out the Vergil Possession theory or the Sparda reincarnation theory but the game doesn't lend much evidence to either of them outside of circumstantial moments.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
Yes, DMC1 takes place about one to four years after DMC1, so what's the problem? It's quite possible.
Dante looking a bit older is your opinion. I think he looks like he's thirty years old, and he's got a stubble, so maybe you somehow perceive him to be forty. The fact is, Capcom have said that DMC4 takes place ''around ten years after the events of DMC3''. Trusting what they said is still better than just going ''Uuuuuhm, I dunno''.
This thread is about arguing about what you think using as many facts as possible, not stating what you think and subsequently disregarding other people's views and leaving the thread. Vergil being Nero's father still doesn't make sense, and you haven't presented a good argument why it would make sense.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
May I remind you that the anime is by no means equal to the video games? I watched the anime a few times. It didn't resemble the games much, to be honest.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
Capcom can decide to change Dante's appearance whenever they want; it's not Dante who changed his appearance. Besides, I don't think he looks much older in DMC4 than in DMC1. Sure, he's got a stubble and he might have gained some weight, but you have to keep in mind that on the PS2, you couldn't really show how old your characters were unless you gave them wrinkles of doom. Heck, they couldn't even show what color Vergil's coat had. In the game, it's a pretty standard blue, but it's actually teal in all the artwork for DMC3, not blue. DMC4 is supposed to take place before DMC2, but does Dante look older in DMC2? No, obviously not.
Janoosen
Dark Slayer
The appearance changes to Lady actually makes a lot of sense. Between the events of DMC3 and DMC4 at least 10-11 years has passed, she's grown older (evident through her increase in cup size and more feminine appearance) and has had time to heal from her ordeals in DMC3 and before DMC3. As for Dante, a scruff can make anyone look older than they really are. I'm 23 but I look like I'm 15-16 so I couldn't even buy a drink in a bar until I grew a goatee. And I wouldn't use the anime as too much of a reference because everything looks radically different in anime. I also think someone posted something about them not wanting to spoil Lady's appearance in DMC4, which is why she looks the way she does in the anime.
And if you can't take people disagreeing with and disproving your opinions with facts you should think twice before posting.
TerrorA
Don't mess with a Mage, bitch.
The facts contradict themselves. One set of developers say that 4 is 10 years after 3, and the scenario director says Nero is Vergil's kid. The localization team agrees with the latter, and the press agrees with the former
The game itself hints that Nero is Vergil's kid, from saying he has the "blood of Sparda." to him echoing Vergil's lines ("Scum!" "Give me power!") Note that they say the blood of Sparda, not the power of Sparda. Then there was Dante's
insistence on keeping it in the family, and then letting Nero keep Yamato anyway. But the timeline says it can't be, resulting in a massive continuity snarl.
I think this is a major reason for the reboot, to get a clear and concise timeline.
The game itself hints that Nero is Vergil's kid, from saying he has the "blood of Sparda." to him echoing Vergil's lines ("Scum!" "Give me power!") Note that they say the blood of Sparda, not the power of Sparda. Then there was Dante's
insistence on keeping it in the family, and then letting Nero keep Yamato anyway. But the timeline says it can't be, resulting in a massive continuity snarl.
I think this is a major reason for the reboot, to get a clear and concise timeline.
To me it's clear as hell that he is Vergil's son, replayed the game many times only to confirm as such. Also Deadly Fortune IS canon, whoever say otherwise should check it our first. The scenarist wouldn't release a fanon work stating it to be the "complete DMC4 story" if it wasn't true. Not to mention Capcom had given a permission for it to be released.
V's patron
be loyal to what matters
You know what, I just hope they chuck whatever Kobayashi said and whatever Bingo wrote and just come up with their own version of nero's background.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Bingo also acknowledged in the same book that the scenes he included were discarded for PRODUCTION REASONS. That means the other writers and dev team members realized "nope, this doesn't work, drop it from the story." Bingo was ONE of the scenario designers, and also, it was HIS version of the complete story. It was also only one member of localization that said "I think he's supposed to be Vergil's kid." The fact that Kobayashi, the ULTIMATE FINAL WORD AS DIRECTOR, said outright "Nero is not DIRECTLY related to Dante or Vergil", overrides Bingo's desired storyline. Bingo wanted Nero to be Vergil's son, he was overridden on it. Nero is by the timelines given by both DMC3 and DMC4's individual directors to be too old to be Vergil's biological son, and any "Vergil characteristics" can actually be attributed to Yamato. When Berial, a demon who is stated in the background info to have known Sparda as a young demonling and LOOKED UP TO HIM, compared Nero directly to Sparda, saying "you're just like he was", THAT was the friggin' hint; Nero isn't Vergil in a new body or Vergil's son, he's SPARDA'S soul reborn into a new body, that of a descendent of one of his previous children.
You WANT him to be Vergil's son, but the facts given state so much otherwise. Also, if Deadly Fortune is canon, when it directly contradicts many aspects of the plot in the game, then you have to acknowledge the novels written pre-DMC to be canon, they were also approved and licensed by Capcom. It's hypocritical and damaging to your position to say Deadly Fortune is canon(when Kobayashi's statements say otherwise), but DMC Volume 1 is not.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
To me, Dante saying Yamato has to stay in the family (which is why he won't give it to Nero at first) tells me Nero might not even be related to Dante and Vergil. Only when Nero says ''I need this'' does he give Yamato to him. Of course, Dante could mean that he simply views Nero as not being family, since he might be an illegitimate child of Sparda. That doesn't seem likely, though, since Sparda died before Dante and Vergil were even born.
Nero using Vergil's phrases doesn't mean that much, really. He may just be tapping into Yamato's 'soul', as it were. That, or Capcom just wanted to show Vergil is still there in memory and decided to make him say some of Vergil's lines as a wink to the fans. People keep saying Nero's DT looks like Vergil. I say it only looks like him in color, since it's blue. The rest of the DT is derived from Nero's artwork as you can see when looking at my avatar.
The blood of Sparda, well, that could mean anything. It might be meant literally somehow, or he is indeed related to Sparda in some way. I agree, though, that the whole thing may have been poorly thought out by Capcom, and that Nero could be Vergil's son. It just seems unlikely given Vergil's stance towards humans and him wanting nothing but demonic power, relinquishing his humanity in the process, not to mention the timeline not fitting. Furthermore, why would Vergil's son wear red and blue instead of just blue or a different color?
He could wear pink or orange if it was his style, don't look too much into the colors again. Clothes aren't part of one's body, he could run naked also if he wanted.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Actually, considering how much colors are indentified with character in japanese storytelling, you DO have to consider that.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
Yes, it's just a coincidence he wears exactly the two colors that Dante and Vergil wear, and Sparda's color being the two colors combined is just crazy coincidence. Dayuuumn, this is getting old real fast. No offense intended, but I don't need you to tell me your views again. You already said the same thing in another thread, I believe, and saying it again isn't going to make me go ''Oh my GOD, you're right!'' You've got your views, I've got mine. End of story.
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
You know, now that I think about it, Dante saying ''it's gotta stay in the family'' might simply mean Nero's not a direct descendant of Sparda and Eva. But then, did Eva remarry with another demon (like a family member of Sparda's) and did she have Nero? In that case, if she had Nero around the time Dante was eight (the time she died), Nero would have to be 22, which isn't right, as far as I know.
Nero probably doesn't make any sense at all, but it's nice to theorize. In any case, we might be giving Capcom ideas to start making DMC4 make sense. Not that I think some Capcom employees all of a sudden would decide to watch this thread.
Nero probably doesn't make any sense at all, but it's nice to theorize. In any case, we might be giving Capcom ideas to start making DMC4 make sense. Not that I think some Capcom employees all of a sudden would decide to watch this thread.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Again, we know Nero is ftom a bloodline of Sparda's, just not DIRECTLY the same as the twins, as stated by the DIRECTOR. Combined with the fact there are stories of a set of twins sired by Sparda in the legends, that confirms that Eva was not Sparda's only mortal lover, and there are other bloodlines to consider as Nero's origins.