Nero's origins - What do you think?

[Sparda's rejected son]

nope nope nope just can't see it man

Nero is a descendent of the blood of Sparda, he carries Sparda's blood. The ONLY people in DMC history who have Sparda's blood are Sparda, Dante and Vergil. The whole "their the sons of Sparda" thing is a BIG plot point in DMC because their the ONLY half demon half humans in the DMC world. Also Berial says nero is just "like he was." He's Vergil's kid. Capcom changes their stories constantly and they creat plot holes all the time. Nero is Vergil's kid son.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Examine that with logic

Kobayashi officially stated that Nero is teh same age as Dante was in DMC3; this is 19. He also said that DMC4 is ten year after DMC3. that puts Dante(and thus Vergil) at 29 in DMC4. That means vergil was 10 when nero was born, and 9 when Nero was concieved.

Ergo, Nero is NOT Vergil's son. Nero has more call backs to what we know of Sparda himself(red, blue and purple clothing, willing to do all for the woman he loves, rebelling against the "higher order", Yamato glows purple in his hands...the fact he could HEAL Yamato) than just Vergil. Plus with 2000 years from when Sparda rebelled on Hell, he likely had fallen in love with a few human women between then and Eva, meaning he left other bloodlines, Dante and Vergil are just the only children of his known to be alive in the current era.

And then there's the idea that Nero is infact Sparda himself reincarnated after his death. The projected time between Sparda's death and Nero's birth make this a likely option for Nero's origins. After all. Berial was referring to SPARDA with that line, not Vergil, since teh last time Berial was out was during Sparda's rebellion.

 

[Valcorn]

Jesus, he was confirmed to be Vergil's son by Capcom employee and even the story's writer hints so, what's not clear?

 

[meg5493]

Jesus, he was confirmed to be Vergil's son by Capcom employee and even the story's writer hints so, what's not clear?

never confirmed an EX capcom employee said nero was vergils son i think he also wrote Deadly fortunes (which by the way is also noncanon) but its your opinion and you believe what you want to believe

 

[Valcorn]

yeah, same goes for you

 

[darkslayer13]

In canon it is only implied that Nero is Vergil's son so unless it is officially confirmed in canon Nero's connection to Sparda is ambiguous. Unofficial confirmation. (Eg. Capcom employees not currently in charge of the story saying it) does not prove it (however it is evidence that it may eventually become canon)
The timeline has only been mentioned in interviews so Capcom can change it to remove the contradictions without problems.(but since they haven't done that yet it is still evidence for Nero not being Vergil's son)

 

[Valcorn]

In canon it is only implied that Nero is Vergil's son so unless it is officially confirmed in canon Nero's connection to Sparda is ambiguous. Unofficial confirmation. (Eg. Capcom employees not currently in charge of the story saying it) does not prove it (however it is evidence that it may eventually become canon)
The timeline has only been mentioned in interviews so Capcom can change it to remove the contradictions without problems.(but since they haven't done that yet it is still evidence for Nero not being Vergil's son)

Exactly, but it's the highest possibility and I can even feel in hinted in the game itself.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

...I just played the game today and I feel no hints that Vergil is Nero's dad, since Vergil was 19 when he threw himself into the Demon World. Also, only in the novelization, which took MAJOR liberties with events in the game, was it implied that Nero if Vergil's son. The only other "confirmation" was a localization team member saying it. THat's two people, one of whom did not determine or work with the development of the story at all, and the other of whom left Capcom and only did scenario development, not was the sole and main writer. I play the game, I get the vibe that Nero is a reborn Sparda. Nero is too old to be Vergil's son, by word of the Director and the timelines given by development staff. What is not clear?

 

[Valcorn]

...I just played the game today and I feel no hints that Vergil is Nero's dad, since Vergil was 19 when he threw himself into the Demon World. Also, only in the novelization, which took MAJOR liberties with events in the game, was it implied that Nero if Vergil's son. The only other "confirmation" was a localization team member saying it. THat's two people, one of whom did not determine or work with the development of the story at all, and the other of whom left Capcom and only did scenario development, not was the sole and main writer. I play the game, I get the vibe that Nero is a reborn Sparda. Nero is too old to be Vergil's son, by word of the Director and the timelines given by development staff. What is not clear?

I respect your opinion but "Sparda reborn" sounds like a fanfic to me... so Sanctus wanted to sacrifice their revived god to revive a statue version of him and Dante helped his father to save his new girlfriend? Cool story bro

 

[Dante Redgrave]

So you hold that either Vegil was a father at ten, two years after the traumatic murder of his mother, or that Nero is in fact less than ten years old and just grew up really fast. Just because Nero may be Saprda's soul reborn into a new life doesn't mean anyone would know about it, that's kind'a the point. At the very least, Nero is descended from Sparda via some other bloodline that started in the 2000 year between Sparda's rebellion and the birth of the twin. Eva's not the only human woman he probably fell in love with, just the last before he died. Hell, it was implied at in DMC3 that he had a thing with Nevan at one point

 

[Valcorn]

Because it wasn't at 10, the dates are wrong

 

[Dante Redgrave]

So you're saying that DMC3 and 4s directors are wrong on the time frames they gave for the stories of the games they supervised and had ultimate final say on? INteresting, because DMC4's Kobayashi said that Nero is the same age as Dante was in DMC3, and he also said DMC3 is ten years prior. Vergil and Dante were 8 when Eva was murdered, that has never been retconned, do Vergil was 10 years old when Nero was born. Ergo, Nero is too old to be Vergil's son. Hard facts of information from the staff and directors of these games. Again, I repeat your own question; What is not clear?

 

[8BitHero]

He was created by Wesker.

 

[Valcorn]

So you're saying that DMC3 and 4s directors are wrong on the time frames they gave for the stories of the games they supervised and had ultimate final say on? INteresting, because DMC4's Kobayashi said that Nero is the same age as Dante was in DMC3, and he also said DMC3 is ten years prior. Vergil and Dante were 8 when Eva was murdered, that has never been retconned, do Vergil was 10 years old when Nero was born. Ergo, Nero is too old to be Vergil's son. Hard facts of information from the staff and directors of these games. Again, I repeat your own question; What is not clear?

Then it's settled... he is a Solidus Snake clone wannabe of Sparda, thanks for your contribution to this thread and for help in uncovering the mystery "_"

 

[LordOfDarkness]

So you're saying that DMC3 and 4s directors are wrong on the time frames they gave for the stories of the games they supervised and had ultimate final say on? INteresting, because DMC4's Kobayashi said that Nero is the same age as Dante was in DMC3, and he also said DMC3 is ten years prior. Vergil and Dante were 8 when Eva was murdered, that has never been retconned, do Vergil was 10 years old when Nero was born. Ergo, Nero is too old to be Vergil's son. Hard facts of information from the staff and directors of these games. Again, I repeat your own question; What is not clear?

I've basically been saying the exact same points as you have, so I do agree in what you are saying here. I said a while ago that if they just say "Nero is Vergil's son" I would pretty much lose faith in the Devil May Cry series.

Whether it's what some of you want to be true or not, you have to agree with me and admit to this point. Vergil being Nero's dad is the MOST cliche idea out of them all.

Nero being Sparda reincarnated.
Nero being an experiment of The Order Of The Sword.
Nero being another son of Sparda.
Nero being some dude created from a test tube experiment.

Whatever the case may be, him being Vergil's son sounds the most cliche idea. To me that is.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

It's also continuity breaking, as well as very out of character for Vergil to sleep with any human woman, let alone a prostitute in Fortuna as the novel Deadly Fortune tried to suggest. The timelines don't match up at all, nor does characterizations and plots; Nero being Vergil's son would be just a bone toss to please vergil fans that "something still remained". Yeah, something got left behind; it's called Yamato, which is actually one of SPARDA's swords, not a blade vergil made and is all his own.

Also, Vergil's legacy was ironically Agnus' demonic infusion program; it's specifically mentioned in the enemy data that the Bianco Angelos and Alto Angelos were created using "fragments of the Black Angel".

 

[Valcorn]

very out of character for Vergil

You don't have much clue about psychology not are emphatic, right?
No insult intended, but I completely disagree with these statements. From my POV it fits his character.
It doesn't fit a full-blood demon's (Sparda) to feel love and have sex with a human, so such argument is invalid.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

So from your PoV, it fits Vergil's character, a man who shuns humanity because of their weakness compared to demons, even in the manga rejected the advances of Alice who was TRYING to get his attention by "growing up faster", to just go sleep with a human, at ten or younger no less by the established timelines, and father a child who who carries more resemblences to Sparda, who had a penchent instead for defending those who are bullied and not as strong as the demons who had conquered them, and was know for falling in love with humans...

Vergil HATES humans and shuns his own humanity, he's not about to go sleeping with a human woman and father a child with that psychological profile, since he would likely seek any kind of fitting mate from DEMON kind. Let's not forget his entire motivation of gaining more power so that he could shed his human side.

 

[Valcorn]

So from your PoV, it fits Vergil's character, a man who shuns humanity because of their weakness compared to demons, even in the manga rejected the advances of Alice who was TRYING to get his attention by "growing up faster", to just go sleep with a human, at ten or younger no less by the established timelines, and father a child who who carries more resemblences to Sparda, who had a penchent instead for defending those who are bullied and not as strong as the demons who had conquered them, and was know for falling in love with humans...

Vergil HATES humans and shuns his own humanity, he's not about to go sleeping with a human woman and father a child with that psychological profile, since he would likely seek any kind of fitting mate from DEMON kind. Let's not forget his entire motivation of gaining more power so that he could shed his human side.

The manga ain't canon. Vergil doesn't hate humans, common misconception, but believe what you want. Also it was never stated that he wanted more power to shed his human side.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

...he outright says in DMC3 that humans are weak and undeserving, how does that not say "I hate humans". And yes, the Manga IS canon, just incomplete because the artist quit the project. I'm trying to figure out why people just assume things aren't canon when Capcom has expressed information to the contrary, and never has labeled the expanded universe material as "non-canon" considering how much they are referrenced back to(the anime referencing the first novel being a good example, and the manga being a the reference for Dante's "been a whole year" comment in DMC3 on how long since the twins last met)

Vergil wants to be like his father, to be a full demon and shed his "weak" humanity, and keeps losing sight of the fact that embracing a human aspect made his father stronger.

But, you know, believe what you want, even when it runs in contradiction to series canon.