Same goes for you pal. You obviously don't look deep enough into things.
Nero's origins - What do you think?
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Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Or you are so unwilling to see what's actually there that you're seeing things that are not.
Manga = Canon. Canon Timelines, vergil was 19 in DMC3, Nero is 19 in DMC4, that means vergil was ten when Nero was born. That timeline is from the director of DMC4. Deadly Fortune is outright contradictory to DMC4 in so many places and thus cannot be considered canon, merely Bingo's offically published alt version fanfic. Vergil's own statements that he despises humanity in DMC3 gives us a look into the psyche of a man who hates mortals because he sees them as weak, a result of his mother's death and his inability as a child to protect her. His attitudes in the CANON DMC3 prequel manga furthers this examination of his psyche, and his desire to assume his father's power in order to become a true demon, like his father. You seem to be ignoring that for some version of Vergil that is your own personal canon and disregards his very attitudes shows in all material we've seen him in the classic series, and just to say that Nero is Vergil's son, which is by all means in contradiction to the established timelines and characterizartions.
Manga = Canon. Canon Timelines, vergil was 19 in DMC3, Nero is 19 in DMC4, that means vergil was ten when Nero was born. That timeline is from the director of DMC4. Deadly Fortune is outright contradictory to DMC4 in so many places and thus cannot be considered canon, merely Bingo's offically published alt version fanfic. Vergil's own statements that he despises humanity in DMC3 gives us a look into the psyche of a man who hates mortals because he sees them as weak, a result of his mother's death and his inability as a child to protect her. His attitudes in the CANON DMC3 prequel manga furthers this examination of his psyche, and his desire to assume his father's power in order to become a true demon, like his father. You seem to be ignoring that for some version of Vergil that is your own personal canon and disregards his very attitudes shows in all material we've seen him in the classic series, and just to say that Nero is Vergil's son, which is by all means in contradiction to the established timelines and characterizartions.
You got it all wrong man, also no need to spell again what I heard dozen times before. But everyone to their own, it's getting offtopic, this is supposed to be about Nero.
I have played all the games and read/saw most of the other material, the DMC3 manga isn't canon, it contradicts with the game.
I have played all the games and read/saw most of the other material, the DMC3 manga isn't canon, it contradicts with the game.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
...No it doesn't, I have both volumes of the manga and DMC3, it doesn't contridict the games at all. Are you referring to Mary's appearence at Dante's office in the manga, where she never even had a chance to actually meet him?
BTW, try to explain then, how I have Vergil all wrong...because I've been studying the character of the Twins as an examination since 2005 to under stand the characters as I have been working on various stories and screenplays for DMC based features.
BTW, try to explain then, how I have Vergil all wrong...because I've been studying the character of the Twins as an examination since 2005 to under stand the characters as I have been working on various stories and screenplays for DMC based features.
Objection. It's a ploy to please the Nero fans and make the other individuals displeased by his presence tolerate him, by giving a meaningful reason for the character's existence.
V's patron
be loyal to what matters
there was this theory on tvtropes that states that the events of DMC4 was just a dream vergil had.
You got that right. Except I'm not THAT big Nero fan, but I like Vergil's character.
@Redgrave, sorry for that, it was rude. Let's say I see it differently and we disagree with each other.
For the manga, there are quite a few contradictions, it takes a while to list them all, the most prominent are: Arkham being a demon with his wife still alive, Dante using Devil Trigger before canonically awakening it, Vergil stealing Dante's half of the Amulet and revealing it's purpose then returning it back and in the game asking if Dante has it and the latter being all dunno about it, in the manga Vergil knows who Mary is while in the game he realizes later that she is Arkham's daughter and like 10 more.
TerrorA
Don't mess with a Mage, bitch.
I think Nero is Vergil's kid, and here's how. DMC1 is ten years before DMC3, and DMC4 is some years after 1.
Nero is between 17 and 19, and judging by Lady, about that time has passed between 3 and 4. So, Nero could have been either a newborn or a couple months old during the events of 3. Lucky it wasn't Vergil's day to watch him!
Nero is between 17 and 19, and judging by Lady, about that time has passed between 3 and 4. So, Nero could have been either a newborn or a couple months old during the events of 3. Lucky it wasn't Vergil's day to watch him!
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
DMC4 takes place approximately ten years after the events of DMC3. In DMC3, Dante was 19. Therefore, we can say he and Lady are about thirty in DMC4. Thirty minus seventeen makes thirteen. Vergil was thirteen when he fathered Nero?
Yeah, why not -_-
Lionheart
Solid Ocelot
DMC4 takes place around the same time as DMC1. Probably a year or two later, as Dante is about 30 in DMC4, whereas he's (confirmed to be) 28 in DMC1.
TerrorA
Don't mess with a Mage, bitch.
We can argue this until we're blue in the face, but frankly, DMC has no confirmed timeline. To quote TVtropes
"It's DMC 4 being 10 years after DMC 3 which just doesn't fit. DMC 1 was 10 years after DMC 3, and after DMC 1 comes the Anime, and then comes DMC 4, which even has a background history of a month old or more. All in all, there has to have been at least a year between DMC 1 and DMC 4, and it could easily be more, since Dante does look a bit older. But that of DMC 4 being just 10 years after DMC 3 gets right out jossed by the presence of DMC 1 and the Anime." Frankly, DMC's timeline is messed up, and no amount of arguing will change that. So, I guess the timeline is up to interpretation. You think Vergil isn't Nero's dad, and I do. Simple.
"It's DMC 4 being 10 years after DMC 3 which just doesn't fit. DMC 1 was 10 years after DMC 3, and after DMC 1 comes the Anime, and then comes DMC 4, which even has a background history of a month old or more. All in all, there has to have been at least a year between DMC 1 and DMC 4, and it could easily be more, since Dante does look a bit older. But that of DMC 4 being just 10 years after DMC 3 gets right out jossed by the presence of DMC 1 and the Anime." Frankly, DMC's timeline is messed up, and no amount of arguing will change that. So, I guess the timeline is up to interpretation. You think Vergil isn't Nero's dad, and I do. Simple.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Best take back that Rep. It's haphazard, but there IS a confirmed timeline; twins were 8 when Eva was murdered, Dante was 19 in DMC3, and DMC1 was 20 years after the murder, with DMC4 ten years after DMC3, and Nero is the same age in DMC4 that Dante was in DMC3. That means 28 in DMC1 and 29 in DMC4, meaning Vergil was nine when Nero would have been concieved. Even if he were 17, that means Vergil was 11 at best. Sorry, it just does not work, unless nero is actually ten years old and ages at twice normal rate.
TerrorA
Don't mess with a Mage, bitch.
The anime takes place a year after 1, and Lady still has her scars and DMC3 appearance.
DMC4 can't be a year later, as the anime's canon and takes place over a year. So, you're already off by two years by the anime and DMC1's existence. Like I said, DMC'S timeline is a hopeless mess.
Now, I get you don't want Nero to be Vergil's kid. I accept that. But it was left ambiguous for this exact reason, for debate and fan theories. I will keep my theory and you keep yours, ok?
DMC4 can't be a year later, as the anime's canon and takes place over a year. So, you're already off by two years by the anime and DMC1's existence. Like I said, DMC'S timeline is a hopeless mess.
Now, I get you don't want Nero to be Vergil's kid. I accept that. But it was left ambiguous for this exact reason, for debate and fan theories. I will keep my theory and you keep yours, ok?
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
Confirmed by Kobayashi is that the anime is bewteen DMC1 and 4 IN the year time frame between them, not a year after, since he wrote episodes for the anime. The reason Lady was depicted as just an older version of DMC3 was actually Capcom directive; the studio was not allowed to use the new designs to "avoid spoiling it"
TerrorA
Don't mess with a Mage, bitch.
As I said, that doesn't make sense. One year does not seem enough time for the drastic appearance changes Dante and Lady went through.
Are you so determined for everyone to see things your way that you'd continue arguing with someone who already stated their case? Are you so needy to be proven right that you'll argue with anyone who has a different opinion?
I already said my piece, man. I'm done.
Are you so determined for everyone to see things your way that you'd continue arguing with someone who already stated their case? Are you so needy to be proven right that you'll argue with anyone who has a different opinion?
I already said my piece, man. I'm done.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
I'm making the point you're disregarding established canon and developer stated details for the sake of fanon that has been disproven repeatedly. I had it confirmed at NDK 2007 with the directors of the anime that Capcom had specific directives for what could and could not be used, and that included Lady and Trish's new designs and Devil Trigger. They were told to use the designs already established to not step on the "toes" of DMC4 and that Devil Trigger was not to be shown.