it wasn't meant to be insulting

[EllDawn]

B) was this reboot necessary, or even wanted?

The problem with this option is it's all up to the people creating the games. Whether or not the fans think it's necessary or wanted, the creators obviously do since they're having it made. A lot of fans have said they didn't want the reboot. There are probably some that even say that it ruins the original games. In that case I can quote some authors that have had movies/shows based on their books by saying it doesn't do anything to the original material. The original still exists and is untouched. They're sitting on your shelves right now for you to turn to. The reboot is just a new take on it, not necessarily a replacement or warping of the original.

 

[Demi-fiend]

If you want your own DMC, maybe you should use this: http://www.stencyl.com/

It won't be even remotely good as the real thing, but you'll be able to have create the Dante you want this time around.

 

[Kam]

If you want your own DMC, maybe you should use this: http://www.stencyl.com/

It won't be even remotely good as the real thing, but you'll be able to have create the Dante you want this time around.

I prefer openGL. Mobile is something I haven't really tried

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

The problem with this option is it's all up to the people creating the games. Whether or not the fans think it's necessary or wanted, the creators obviously do since they're having it made. A lot of fans have said they didn't want the reboot. There are probably some that even say that it ruins the original games. In that case I can quote some authors that have had movies/shows based on their books by saying it doesn't do anything to the original material. The original still exists and is untouched. They're sitting on your shelves right now for you to turn to. The reboot is just a new take on it, not necessarily a replacement or warping of the original.

Isn't the bolded part of your text just a lie?

How exactly is it not a replacement? Because the impression i got with DmC is:
1) No DMC game released gotta wait more for that
2) Capcom hoped to quickly replace original series but DmC sold 1.1m instead of 2M+. Had DmC sold 2.5m i would gurantee you Capcom would have made a sequal announcement (DmC 2) shortly after DmC 1. But that didn't happen (2m+ sales), therefor the attempt was a failure.
3) Instead of original Dante, NTDante was put into playstation allstar. You may say "Well that was a marketing game", but the point still stands, DmC reboot character ensured original Dante was not in PSA. Isn't this what replacement is about?

And what about the people who hoped for more DMC games, because obviously there are more to tell (Nero), what should those people do? Should they go get DMC 4 from their shelf and play the game and pretend they are experiencing a sequal , like "OMG DANTE TOLD NERO HES VERGILS SON! OMG!!!".
Should they pretend huh?
OR do you think it is fair treatment of these fans? Because if you think it is fair treatment, then how does DmC 2 never happening sound to you - i mean DmC 1 is on your shelf right, so why not go and turn to it?


And as for whether the reboot was necessary or not, who's perspective matters more, the loyal fans who have supported the game and are the customers or the company who exists because of the customers requests and support?
In this case the customer's (fans) perspective weighs more than the corporate.
I assure you if DmC 2 was released sold only 10K units, Capcom would not continue making a DmC game (DmC 3) for at least 10 years.
That goes to show you they base their business on fans. That their business is all around fans, and if their business is bad they better bloody understand why.
Or do you think that Capcom would still keep to their "we dont care about business our vision is more important than what customers want" and still release DmC 3 after 10K units sold? Because believe me you will be greatly wrong, they may never release a DmC game ever.

Right now they are quiet about DmC because it didn't sell as much as they hoped for and they are thinking what to do. A 2.5m would be a definite sign for them to start producing next sequal with next 4 months after release of first game.
DmC released in january, now we are in june (5 months later), and still no announcement of a DmC game. Maybe they will wait with announcing one til 2014 or maybe sooner.
But one thing seems to be a fact, they would have announced or teased a sequal fast if the sales were good e.g 2.5m sales.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Isn't the bolded part of your text just a lie?

You have a lot nerve to accuse someone else of lying.

DmC wasn't a financial success anyway, so they'll most likely be be going back to the original series regardless of what Capcom or NT wants.

But you just won't let it go. Ever. Dear God, you're unbalanced.

 

[Kam]

You have a lot nerve to accuse someone else of lying.

DmC wasn't a financial success anyway, so they'll most likely be be going back to the original series regardless of what Capcom or NT wants.

But you just won't let it go. Ever. Dear God, you're unbalanced.

to be fair, there are some conflicting messages here. They say this is an alternate universe spin off of classic DMC, but all talk of future DMC games are of ninja theory making another DmC, and all dev talk is filled with references to DmC being superior in every way to the original.

There's honestly no telling exactly what's going to happen. But I agree that taking that confusion out on each other is not the best course of action

 

[Demi-fiend]

and all dev talk is filled with references to DmC being superior in every way to the original.

Well, I don't remember them saying that specifically. But, I'll take your word for it... for now, anyway. I won't ask you to hunt down the source because it's not worth the effort. All I can say is I can see how you can interpret whatever they said into, "this is flat-out better, no arguments."

However, we all know better. We all know DMC3 has the best gameplay features out of the series (please don't bring DMC4 into this, I really don't want to talk about that game).

So, all we need to do now is trim the moveset while still keeping the complexity. How to do that though, is somewhat of a mystery. I know that there's a way around this, I just haven't figured it out, yet.

Edit:

Even if (God forbid) there is a DmC2, it will most likely be a lot more like DMC3, gameplay-wise. And, it will probably be on a portable system, allowing the original DMC series to take back its place on the console throne.

 

[Kam]

Well, I don't remember them saying that specifically. But, I'll take your word for it... for now, anyway. I won't ask you to hunt down the source because it not worth the effort. All I can say is I can see how you can interpret whatever they said into, "this is flat-out better, no arguments."

However, we all know better. We all know DMC3 has the best gameplay features out of the series (please don't bring DMC4 into this, I really don't want to talk about that game).

So, all we need to do now is trim the moveset while still keeping the complexity. How to do that though, is somewhat of a mystery. I know that there's a way around this, I just haven't figured it out, yet.

there was a stream of the full game shortly before its release (should be on youtube) where ninja theory devs played through and provided commentary. It's a long as hell stream, but the gist of the commentary was

-"I can't believe people hate it because of the hair"
-"the gameplay is exactly the same as it used to be"
-"it's just better"

 

[Demi-fiend]

there was a stream of the full game shortly before its release (should be on youtube) where ninja theory devs played through and provided commentary. It's a long as hell stream, but the gist of the commentary was

-"I can't believe people hate it because of the hair"
-"the gameplay is exactly the same as it used to be"
-"it's just better"

Oh good, you have the source.

Let it be known now, that they were wrong about the gameplay and it being better. The hair, I'm not so sure about, but I won't argue with you on that point.

The gameplay is not better. The gameplay is not exactly the same as they used to be. They were 100% wrong in both of those aspects. That much is irrefutable.

I won't blame you for holding that against them, but I strongly suggest you let it go, as well. Like I said before, Capcom will most likely go back to the original series to avoid any more backlash.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

You have a lot nerve to accuse someone else of lying.

DmC wasn't a financial success anyway, so they'll most likely be be going back to the original series regardless of what Capcom or NT wants.

But you just won't let it go. Ever. Dear God, you're unbalanced.

How the **** do you have the nerve to talk to me like that?

You go around telling people i am "No good give up" , constantly replying to me with bs and you tell me i am being rude?

What is wrong with you?

And i dam well will accuse someone of lying when that person says "DmC hasnt replaced DMC" yet in PSA you get NTDAnte not original Dante.

ISNT THAT REPLACEMENT?! OR are you gonna twist the definition of the word for convenience sake?

Or how about this replacement: If DmC wasnt a replacement but a expansion i.e icying on a cake.
Where the hell was DMC 5? Or why is there still no hints from Capcom (after all this time = around 5 years) of a DMC game?

No Unknown, your the one with nerve, you dont adress my points and you only reply to me just to oppose me. Not for a better reason like...constructive discussion.

Constructive discussion something this forum is no longer plagued with, rather it is plague with a one sided discussion where "Why do people complain about white hair?" and the discussion is "duuuh they dont like white hair colour, they are entitled whiny gamers and haters".

Dont reply to me Unknown if your only going to behave as you are.
Eldawn can take care of him/herself , dont need a white shining knight to save Eldawn.

 

[Kam]

Oh good, you have the source.

Let it be known now, that they were wrong about the gameplay and it being better. The hair, I'm not so sure about, but I won't argue with you on that point.

The gameplay is not better. The gameplay is not exactly the same as they used to be. They were 100% wrong in both of those aspects. That much is irrefutable.

I won't blame you for holding that against them, but I strongly suggest you let it go, as well. Like I said before, Capcom will most likely go back to the original series to avoid any more backlash.

I actually thought there were quite a few improvements in the new DmC. The story and characters are pretty much the only thing I have a serious beef with, so if we could see some kind of mixing of old DMC and new DmC, that would be pretty great

 

[Demi-fiend]

I actually thought there were quite a few improvements in the new DmC. The story and characters are pretty much the only thing I have a serious beef with, so if we could see some kind of mixing of old DMC and new DmC, that would be pretty great

That would be great, actually. But I honestly thought DMC3's gameplay was better. Just the lock-on itself was something that never should have been taken out.

I actually like the story and characters. Not all of the dialogue, but enough of it to give it a pass. Barely.

I do like the platforming though. It was kind of automatic, but I like it anyway. Also, the weapons used to break down barriers "Metroid-style" was a nice touch.

So, our reasons for liking it are actually for opposite reasons. Sort of. Which is rather interesting when you think about it.

ranting and raving

You are lost and beyond all hope.

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

well, from what i've observed, people have hated NT's dante even before he opened his mouth. first it was the hair. then it was the smoking. then the cloths. and even after NT made tweeks to improve the character for the fan's backlash, he was catching heat. then the game came out and some of the anti-reboot people were like "i can deal with this" while some others kept hating him. i can't speak for devil may cry, but i have been a spider-man and a 007 fan all my life. when i heard that spider-man was getting a reboot, i didn't really bitch because i hate spider-man 2 and 3 but i saw some of the changes and thought "this is different but i'll give it a chance". same with 007. when casino royal was coming out i heard contradictory remarks against the character. like "i hate this new dark and gritty james bond. i want dalton back." or "007 aint blonde. where's roger moore?". and i see a lot of that in DmC. hate for it just because its a reboot or its changing the franchise.

Only reason for the Spider-Man movie reboot and the James Bond reboot are to keep it in the Amazing Spider-Man comic book and Ian Fleming's 007 novels starting with Casino Royale, respectively...

I guess the good reboots mentioned here are Spider-Man, 007, and now, DmC.

 

[Martius]

Only reason for the Spider-Man movie reboot and the James Bond reboot are to keep it in the Amazing Spider-Man comic book and Ian Fleming's 007 novels starting with Casino Royale, respectively...

I guess the good reboots mentioned here are Spider-Man, 007, and now, DmC.

From what i can remember spider-man movie reboot was made because that was cheaper than making sequel and Columbia Pictures wont lose right to make make spider-man movies. You cant let marvel put that character in avengers movies and earn a fortune!

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

From what i can remember spider-man movie reboot was made because that was cheaper than making sequel and Columbia Pictures wont lose right to make make spider-man movies. You cant let marvel put that character in avengers movies and earn a fortune!

Another reason why the Spider-Man films was rebooted. I guess.

 

[Chancey289]

Half-life 3 is canceled and rebooted as a cover based call of duty style shooter with health regen and a 3 weapon limit. Gordon Freeman is now a bald biker dude full of snappy one-liners, and the game features lengthy third-person cutscenes that dive deeply into freeman's tragic past as a victim of school bullying in a society that no longer cares. Humanity is enslaved by a deception forced upon them by the evil AI chell, and it's up to gordon and a local group of militant thugs known as "the g-men" to awaken mankind.

Pick one reaction:
A) WHAT ABOUT THE WORD "REBOOT" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? The entire freaking point of HL3 was to be freaking different! Bioware was asked to re-invent the character and take the series in a different direction
B) was this reboot necessary, or even wanted?
C) I like this game better, but was it necessary to cancel half life and turn it into this? Why not just a new IP?
D) you just don't like the lack of hair

Half Life 3 isn't real and it never will be.

Plus you're just under the impression that Capcom just made the reboot for the hell of it. Like there was no reason at all for one. A series does not consider a risky and drastic move like a reboot of everything was going in the right direction. You stop it. We were talking about Bond.

 

[Chancey289]

Only reason for the Spider-Man movie reboot and the James Bond reboot are to keep it in the Amazing Spider-Man comic book and Ian Fleming's 007 novels starting with Casino Royale, respectively...

I guess the good reboots mentioned here are Spider-Man, 007, and now, DmC.

James Bond is basically re-invented every few years. It's kind of a tradition. That's why we have so many different Bonds out there. Daniel Craig's Bond however is a little bit different from all the others because it's the Bond that is the most true to the original source material. Casino Royale was bringing the original Bond from the novels to the big screen for pretty much the first time.

The Amazing Spider-Man was made so Sony could keep the rights to the character. Sam Raimi, you know I love you. You made my favorite trilogy of all time (Evil Dead) but, YOU REALLY F#CKED UP SPIDER-MAN 3. I am a massive Spidey fan. Spider-Man is my favorite superhero of all freaking time. You can imagine how excited I got hearing Venom would be in 3. I watched Spider-Man 3 and my reaction was more or less like this

I'm glad The Amazing Spider-Man was made though because I loved it. It was undeniably flawed but, the cast was SO MUCH BETTER and it did things as a Spider-Man fan I always wanted the Raimi movies to do. I do really like Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2 but, Amazing was kinda of the movie I wished for at times. I just wish Sony would stop trying to hold Spidey.

Also, Fox needs to let go of the X-Men.

SPIDER-MAN AND WOLVERINE IN THE AVENGERS NOW!!!!!

 

[Jak]

James Bond is basically re-invented every few years. It's kind of a tradition. That's why we have so many different Bonds out there. Daniel Craig's Bond however is a little bit different from all the others because it's the Bond that is the most true to the original source material. Casino Royale was bringing the original Bond from the novels to the big screen for pretty much the first time.

The Amazing Spider-Man was made so Sony could keep the rights to the character. Sam Raimi, you know I love you. You made my favorite trilogy of all time (Evil Dead) but, YOU REALLY F#CKED UP SPIDER-MAN 3. I am a massive Spidey fan. Spider-Man is my favorite superhero of all freaking time. You can imagine how excited I got hearing Venom would be in 3. I watched Spider-Man 3 and my reaction was more or less like this

I'm glad The Amazing Spider-Man was made though because I loved it. It was undeniably flawed but, the cast was SO MUCH BETTER and it did things as a Spider-Man fan I always wanted the Raimi movies to do. I do really like Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2 but, Amazing was kinda of the movie I wished for at times. I just wish Sony would stop trying to hold Spidey.

Also, Fox needs to let go of the X-Men.

SPIDER-MAN AND WOLVERINE IN THE AVENGERS NOW!!!!!

i really love the avengers. but i feel as if the MCU should have ended after it came out. i haven't seen IM3 but i heard it was "meh". the amazing spider-man i loved because it was more like the ultimate spider-man comics. x-men is pretty cool. i really wanna see the new wolverine movie coming out. and the amazing spider-man 2 i can't wait for. a movie i really do want to see rebooted since it hasn't gotten a sequel yet is dare devil. he is one of my favorite marvel characters. he and the punisher need to be in a movie together.

 

[EllDawn]

Isn't the bolded part of your text just a lie?

How exactly is it not a replacement? Because the impression i got with DmC is:
1) No DMC game released gotta wait more for that
2) Capcom hoped to quickly replace original series but DmC sold 1.1m instead of 2M+. Had DmC sold 2.5m i would gurantee you Capcom would have made a sequal announcement (DmC 2) shortly after DmC 1. But that didn't happen (2m+ sales), therefor the attempt was a failure.
3) Instead of original Dante, NTDante was put into playstation allstar. You may say "Well that was a marketing game", but the point still stands, DmC reboot character ensured original Dante was not in PSA. Isn't this what replacement is about?

And what about the people who hoped for more DMC games, because obviously there are more to tell (Nero), what should those people do? Should they go get DMC 4 from their shelf and play the game and pretend they are experiencing a sequal , like "OMG DANTE TOLD NERO HES VERGILS SON! OMG!!!".
Should they pretend huh?
OR do you think it is fair treatment of these fans? Because if you think it is fair treatment, then how does DmC 2 never happening sound to you - i mean DmC 1 is on your shelf right, so why not go and turn to it?


And as for whether the reboot was necessary or not, who's perspective matters more, the loyal fans who have supported the game and are the customers or the company who exists because of the customers requests and support?
In this case the customer's (fans) perspective weighs more than the corporate.
I assure you if DmC 2 was released sold only 10K units, Capcom would not continue making a DmC game (DmC 3) for at least 10 years.
That goes to show you they base their business on fans. That their business is all around fans, and if their business is bad they better bloody understand why.
Or do you think that Capcom would still keep to their "we dont care about business our vision is more important than what customers want" and still release DmC 3 after 10K units sold? Because believe me you will be greatly wrong, they may never release a DmC game ever.

Right now they are quiet about DmC because it didn't sell as much as they hoped for and they are thinking what to do. A 2.5m would be a definite sign for them to start producing next sequal with next 4 months after release of first game.
DmC released in january, now we are in june (5 months later), and still no announcement of a DmC game. Maybe they will wait with announcing one til 2014 or maybe sooner.
But one thing seems to be a fact, they would have announced or teased a sequal fast if the sales were good e.g 2.5m sales.

No, it's not a lie. I remember there being talk of both possibly being continued. Does that sound like a plan to replace the original? And as for PSA, they were giving the new Dante a chance. The original has been in so many games, putting the new Dante in one that has nothing to do with his game isn't going to matter. It would seem more like a replacement if they put the new Dante in the next MvC game. I doubt they will since that's even more about making money.

I don't expect a sequel to DmC, just as I don't expect any sequels to two of my favorites since there's been nothing about them for ten years or more. Five years really isn't much when you think of that. And with how much fans have complained about each game when it's first announced, maybe Capcom should just stop with Devil May Cry all together. They've still tried making sequels anyway.

In the end it's all up to Capcom. It's not the fans that make the games, but the chosen team at Capcom. There are fans that can, and probably will, make their own games and then they can do what they want with them. But it's still up to Capcom as to whether or not either Devil May Cry is continued, no matter what the fans say. I've seen a lot of people say they want another Megaman, but do you see one coming out? And that's a game that's highly requested. Much more than DMC. If Capcom can ignore a larger group about making a sequel, they can ignore a smaller one.

There was a video someone had posted on these forums about Capcom canceling both DMC and DmC if the latter didn't sell well. It was either going to be all or nothing. It was what that person had seen Capcom do before, and he was expecting to see it happen again. So if DMC isn't continued, there's the reason why. It's their pattern. If they want to continue them, they will.

You have a lot nerve to accuse someone else of lying.

DmC wasn't a financial success anyway, so they'll most likely be be going back to the original series regardless of what Capcom or NT wants.

But you just won't let it go. Ever. Dear God, you're unbalanced.

Thank you, Unknown.

 

[LysseC]

You're right, it's very common, most reboots have 'em and so let's that that is the case here, that they were just kidding; They should have been more aware of the mood around the game, they should have known that this little joke would have the effect of making people angry at it. It wasn't as though they didn't know they were skating on thin ice so for them to jump on it shows that they had no awareness of how people were emotions, no empathy; that or they just didn't care. This is assuming that they meant it as a joke and nothing more.

I cannot agree more on that. Maybe it could have come off as a simple joke, but NOT after the war that was already flaming around. There are issues that can become delicate in cerrtain situations, and this was one of those situations. When things become hot, it's better to let the situation cool down, not make jokes about them, because then the result can only be the one we are witnessing now: a topic that, once opened, is always at risk of ending in a fight.
(glad that the situation seems to be under control for now though... )