it wasn't meant to be insulting

[Demi-fiend]

Maybe the James Bond fandom is not so different from ours after all...

Up where they blog
Up where they talk
Up where they stay all day on the foruuuuum
Posting free
Wish I could be
Part of that wooooorld.

I know that in the past I've been a patsy...
They weren't kidding when they called me, well a twit
But you'll find that nowadays
I've mended all my ways
Repented, seen the light, but took a hit
from this.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

No, it's not a lie. I remember there being talk of both possibly being continued.Does that sound like a plan to replace the original?

Yes, i know Capcom said they are open to DMC game if the fans wanted it, but they also went and made DmC a reboot and they also have not announced or teased anything for DMC.
And they put NTDante into PSA, and i heard PSA creators had no choice but use NTDante because Capcom said "Do him or not Dante".
This is significant because it shows where Capcom's priority is at for the future. They want to expose NTDante to people so that he will be accepted and thus sales will roll in.
They also have in a statement explicetly expresssing potential for a DmC sequal, meanwhile the only thing DMC sequal gets is "We are open to it if fans want to".

If they attempted to replace DMC with DmC then they failed. And i believe that was their plan.

And as for PSA, they were giving the new Dante a chance. The original has been in so many games, putting the new Dante in one that has nothing to do with his game isn't going to matter.

Ah so that was what it was? DmC reboot serie being released, and a DMC game not happening as result, and NTDante in PSA was all "giving NTDante a chance".

Because while NTDante was been given a chance by Capcom to be "Dante" through actions, appearance and other traits plus appearing on non-main serie games , original Dante was on a shelf talking to Woody from Toy Story about their relationships with their owners, Capcom and Andy.

Playstation ALLSTAR means Playstation ALLSTAR. Dante (original) is a star.
If Capcom wanted to give NT a chance, they would have had original Dante be in PSA and also sell or add NTDante as a extra.

But they didnt - they excluded original Dante and put NTDante into it.

It would seem more like a replacement if they put the new Dante in the next MvC game.

Maybe they will when next MvC is released. But as of now, a reboot serie with NTDante has been pushed forward instead of original serie with Dante.
And NTDante who never have existed before has taken a spot that belongs to original Dante.

I don't expect a sequel to DmC, just as I don't expect any sequels to two of my favorites since there's been nothing about them for ten years or more. Five years really isn't much when you think of that. And with how much fans have complained about each game when it's first announced, maybe Capcom should just stop with Devil May Cry all together. They've still tried making sequels anyway.

Five years without any hints of a DMC game starting to be developed is LONG.
And when did fans complaint become "evil"? Last i checked DMC 4 was far from perfect.
Plus it sold 2M - how much more do Capcom want for a game they spent belong average time company's use on a game?

In the end it's all up to Capcom. It's not the fans that make the games, but the chosen team at Capcom. There are fans that can, and probably will, make their own games and then they can do what they want with them. But it's still up to Capcom as to whether or not either Devil May Cry is continued, no matter what the fans say. I've seen a lot of people say they want another Megaman, but do you see one coming out? And that's a game that's highly requested. Much more than DMC. If Capcom can ignore a larger group about making a sequel, they can ignore a smaller one.

You are right. Fans have little influence on what Capcom does. But money does, and if 2M people said "We would buy DMC 5" with real signatures - Capcom would have made it.
Money comes from fans though so yeah.

Also Megaman is in Super Smash - so people's request wasnt totally ignored.

There was a video someone had posted on these forums about Capcom canceling both DMC and DmC if the latter didn't sell well. It was either going to be all or nothing. It was what that person had seen Capcom do before, and he was expecting to see it happen again. So if DMC isn't continued, there's the reason why. It's their pattern. If they want to continue them, they will.

I strongly believe they attempted to replace DMC with DmC, but that they failed. Again i have read the statement where they say "We are open to DMC games" (i.e original serie), but actions speak louder than words.

You can say "I love you and i would die for you", but when moment came to die for that person you love, you didn't do it.
Goes to show you that words have less value than actions.

Word: Capcom stated "A door being opened (DmC) does not mean another is closed (DMC), we are open to DMC if fans want to"

Word: Fans "We want DMC!"

Word: DmC 2 sequal was hinted before release.

Word: Capcom said they didn't want DMC serie to die which is why they rebooted it, to ensure it didn't die. That sounds like "We are rebooting and wer sticking with the reboot".

Actions:
DmC reboot serie made
NTDante put into PSA

Lack of action:
No DMC 5 announcement


Speculation is speculation, but if you examine what Capcom has done, and what they have said you will come to a conclusion that they had no intention of having a rebooted serie and original one exist side by side similutaneously.
And assuming Capcom comes out tomorrow and says "We are making a DMC 5 !", that holds not the same weight as it does if they had come out and said that before DmC reboot's release.
Because one can then easily presume "DmC sold 1.1m - pretty low (DMC 4 sold 2M!), and now that DmC sold little they are deciding to milk DMC for better money".

 

[8BitHero]

^
So you could also make the assumption that because Raiden was in PSA, that Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is now going to replace the entire Metal Gear series.

This...going by your logic.

 

[Kam]

....wait this thread was started yesterday? Are you kidding me, people are genuinely still whinging about that?
I didn't like that scene any more than the next hardcore fan because he looked incredibly stupid(and ugly) and it was very, very obviously a jab at the fans. I do want to point out that all these fans that have been raging on about how they're not going to support DmC or buy it or play it, that the scene was intended for the fans who ARE supportive of DmC and that it was probably meant to be funny (as in, ha ha, look how silly it is of them to tantrum about his hair) because that issue did become overused and old fairly quickly long before the game was released.
But then NT isn't in the thick of throes of the fandom itself, so I don't know of anyone who actually found that scene humorous.

I hate repeating myself, but since it's a few pages back, here

 

[Kam]

^
So you could also make the assumption that because Raiden was in PSA, that Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is now going to replace the entire Metal Gear series.

except there's a new MGS game in the works right now. It's got trailers and everything. The game features stealth mechanics with no mention of raiden, slicing dudes up, or leaving it all behind. It lends quite a bit of weight to the claim that a new MGS game will be made in the traditional MGS style. Metal gear rising is called "rising" because it, like metal gear acid, is a different series than metal gear solid.

Devil May Cry is called the same thing, features the "same" character, and there are no visible plans anywhere to continue the original series. That's why so much doubt is being cast on the claim that DmC is not a replacement for DMC and DMC5 will eventually be made

 

[8BitHero]

The problem though:

except there's a new MGS game in the works right now. It's got trailers and everything. Metal gear rising is called "rising" because it, like metal gear acid, is a different series than metal gear solid.

Devil May Cry is called the same thing, features the "same" character, and there are no visible plans anywhere to continue the original series. That's why so much doubt is being cast on the claim that DmC is not a replacement for DMC and DMC5 will eventually be made

edit - wrong link

So why didn't they include the original Snake in the PSA then? You have a strong belief as to why newDante was added to the roster, yet not explained why the original Snake wasn't in the game despite the DMC and MG series both going through changes. If you'd be able to explain this, then I'd be interested in listening/reading.

If they attempted to replace DMC with DmC then they failed. And i believe that was their plan.


But they didnt - they excluded original Dante and put NTDante into it.

That sounds like "We are rebooting and wer sticking with the reboot".

Speculation is speculation, but if you examine what Capcom has done, and what they have said you will come to a conclusion that they had no intention of having a rebooted serie and original one exist side by side similutaneously.
And assuming Capcom comes out tomorrow and says "We are making a DMC 5 !", that holds not the same weight as it does if they had come out and said that before DmC reboot's release.
Because one can then easily presume "DmC sold 1.1m - pretty low (DMC 4 sold 2M!), and now that DmC sold little they are deciding to milk DMC for better money".

You've made a point about how Speculation is speculation, yet you've stated in your post that you know what Capcoms motivations and thinking is without proving proof. Not only that but using fictional quotes.

I uploaded a funny video on this earlier this year and the comments were as such:
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=K4vKQ3yCxV8

Guess who Bandos Team is. So, debating with that dude(on here) is really not worth your time Ell' or anyone else.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

^
So you could also make the assumption that because Raiden was in PSA, that Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is now going to replace the entire Metal Gear series.

You could yes but it would have been pretty shallow assumption. Because MGS: Guns of the Patriots was released in 2008, while MGR was announced in 2009.
DMC 4 released in 2008, DmC announced in 2010.
So at this point both MGR and DmC replacing the original serie is pretty shallow.

But that is where things change between these two. In 2012 Phantom Pain was hinted and later announced, while MGR was still in development!
Meanwhile, situation for DmC has not changed, no DMC 5 was announced.
And while MGR was a "extra" for Metal Gear fans, DmC was "Either this game or no game".

i.e MGR's assumption of replacing original serie was "ended" when Phantom Pain was announced. Besides - wasn't MGR 4 the conclusion to Snake's story (just saying). So what would be wrong with MGR potentially replacing Snake and Solid with Rising and Raiden?

Anyway, characters are also different in that DmC is a reboot that says "This is Dante", while Rising is "This is a spin off with Snake's friend, Raiden"

Do i think Kojima may have plans for more Rising in future after Phantom Pain? Probably and its reasonable and cool. Its nothing wrong. Snake's story was pretty much finished in 4 from what i understand, and still there is another Snake game (Phantom Pain).
And its better to move on from a character after hes journey is finished than milk the character.


EDIT:
Raiden being in PSA was bs to me. I dont agree with it. That was Snake's spot.

 

[Kam]

The problem though:

So why didn't they include the original Snake in the PSA then?

If I had to guess: because snake has been licensed to nintendo for the super smash bros series, and I don't see them loosening their grip so sony can make a game to directly compete with them featuring that character. The next MGS has been more than confirmed, so speculation on why snake isn't present for one particular thing isn't much relevant to this anymore

Edit - my beliefs on game spin-offs and DmC have to do with the fact that no new DMC games are even hinted at being in the works, but DmC2 was promised before DmC was even finished. The character roster of PSA is of almost zero importance.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

If you think i am not worth discussing with 8, then take your advice, and dont reply to me.

Also i do not use PSA appearence as the basis for DmC replacing DMC.
There is many things that makes me believe this.

 

[8BitHero]

If I had to guess: because snake has been licensed to nintendo for the super smash bros series, and I don't see them loosening their grip so sony can make a game to directly compete with them featuring that character. The next MGS has been more than confirmed, so speculation on why snake isn't present for one particular thing isn't much relevant to this anymore

No offence(not that I could care) but I stopped reading after that. You're guessing, you (or anyone else) don't know what the developers are thinking.
The difference between people such as you and myself is this:
Me: Better things to do than be offended by a joke that's clearly a nod to the previous series.
You: Pretend you understand what the developers were thinking with little to no evidence and construed any action/text as an offense and use it as your own ammunition.

It's not irrelevant is a cop out the argument case. It's just as much relevant because it proves my point that original Snake could easily have appeared in PSA. According you and others, Dante appeared in PSA because Capcom wanted to make sure the old Dante was phased out, whereas Raiden was included as the MGS series is still going. Whether a series is going or not is not a deciding factor as to why a character is in the game.

Also, I was watching Smallville earlier today. There was a reference very similar to Dante in which Clark Kent said (Along the lines of) "You wouldn't catch me wearing spandex" which is obviously a joke at the expense of the original Superman. So is this an insult in the same way newDantes white hair incident is?

If you think i am not worth discussing with 8, then take your advice, and dont reply to me.

Also i do not use PSA appearence as the basis for DmC replacing DMC.


There is many things that makes me believe this.

Dude, you've been at this for months. I joined in these discussions during January when DmC was the big talk within gaming, but after that, meh. Don't really care, it's just astounding you're still going at this, almost 6 months after the game came out. That's some serious dedication there. You've not changed in the slightest and I know how uneducated you are on the series as well as talking to in a straight manner. You fail to acknowledge some of the most BASIC levels of understanding either by how blinded you are or are just that stupid. Why bother when I could be doing something else?

 

[Kam]

No offence(not that I could care) but I stopped reading after that. You're guessing, you (or anyone else) don't know what the developers are thinking.
The difference between people such as you and myself is this:
Me: Better things to do than be offended by a joke that's clearly a nod to the previous series.
You: Pretend you understand what the developers were thinking with little to no evidence and construed any action/text as an offense and use it as your own ammunition.

It's not irrelevant is a cop out the argument case. It's just as much relevant because it proves my point that original Snake could easily have appeared in PSA. According you and others, Dante appeared in PSA because Capcom wanted to make sure the old Dante was phased out, whereas Raiden was included as the MGS series is still going. Whether a series is going or not is not a deciding factor as to why a character is in the game.

Also, I was watching Smallville earlier today. There was a reference very similar to Dante in which Clark Kent said (Along the lines of) "You wouldn't catch me wearing spandex" which is obviously a joke at the expense of the original Superman. So is this an insult in the same way newDantes white hair incident is?


Dude, you've been at this for months. I joined in during Janurary when DmC was the big talk within gaming, but after that, meh. Don't really care, it's just astounding you're still going at this, almost 6 months after the game came out. That's some serious dedication there.

Let me put all your fears to rest by removing all guessing while I repeat myself

The reason absolutely does not matter, which is why I was okay with just offering a guess to answer your meaningless question. A new MGS game was confirmed with trailers and gameplay videos well before MGR was even finished. Meanwhile there aren't even rumors at a DMC5, but DmC2 was already promised by capcom late in DmC's development.

The trailer featured stealthy gameplay with snake as the main character. This is why we're sure MGS will continue unchanged by MGR.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Hatred grows for a reason. I've many times tried to be cool and not let hatred affect me.
You may think "What a idiot this person is", but its very obvious when people on this forum discuss DmC and DMC people clash and they clash because of their conflict of interest.

I dont for example like NTDante, not because i dislike him for no reason, but for valid reasons like why couldn't he be a new character? And many other reasons i wont go into, that one i said was just a e.g.

Now you say 8, that you have better things to do than get offended?
You assume your opinion is fact. In a other thread i acknowledged i may been wrong about wig scene and that my perception of it before could been wrong and thus i changed my mind on it.

I thought "I guess its not that bad".

But then in this thread Berto made a good point, they spent a year on character design for DmC.
If NT had planned to make NTDante go from black to white hair, fine. That was planned and is perfectly fine.
But that idea of a "wig falling on his head and he says not in a million year", seem to been a reaction to the fans "White hair?!!!".
It doesn't seem like NT had this idea of a scene from early on (before first CGI trailer).

So after CGI trailer came out and many people complained. Thats when i believe NT came up with the idea for that scene.

Personally i think its very inappropriate considering how media framed the fans complaint to "its only about white hair". Its not about the hair though, speaking for myself i love this pic:
http://devilmaycry.org/community/data/avatars/l/25/25865.jpg?1372633405
Looks much better than white hair.
Simply awesome.

So the fact that NT made that scene knowing how fans complained about white hair, it implies NT is pretty arrogant or "i dont care about you people, im not afraid!".
Which seems to be true, considering Tameem said "Skeptics secretly want to like DmC", or "I dont care" (which was a rumored or true interview), and talking about fans as if they are sources of bankruptcy when DmC was a project meant to reproduce a established gameplay for a target audience.

But hey if you think i am a bad person to discuss with, then dont discuss with me.
Doesnt look like your a good part to discuss things with.

 

[8BitHero]

Let me put all your fears to rest by removing all guessing while I repeat myself

The reason absolutely does not matter, which is why I was okay with just offering a guess to answer your meaningless question. A new MGS game was confirmed with trailers and gameplay videos well before MGR was even finished. Meanwhile there aren't even rumors at a DMC5, but DmC2 was already promised by capcom late in DmC's development.

It's all guessing though. None of you know what they're doing. It's why I haven't come to a conclusion or stated what they are/aren't doing. You're using the fact that two games are able to exist as an example that Konami are ditching MGR series. It's possible for there to be a MGR:R 2 and MGSV at the same time though. Hypothetically, what would the situation be then?

Also, my example again(on topic):
Also, I was watching Smallville earlier today. There was a reference very similar to Dante in which Clark Kent said (Along the lines of) "You wouldn't catch me wearing spandex" which is obviously a joke at the expense of the original Superman. So is this an insult in the same way newDantes white hair incident is?

.


Doesnt look like your a good part to discuss things with.

Dude, you're entire YouTube account is about how much you hate DmC. You've made videos(which are now hidden/deleted), been on my YouTube comments, other channels and spent all the last 6 months being unable to understand the basic concept of understanding and showing an incredibly high level of stupidity and stubbornness. Don't feel sorry for yourself like you have no-one to talk to because I'm not the only taking the **** out of you here and elsewhere.

 

[Kam]

It's all guessing though. None of you know what they're doing. It's why I haven't come to a conclusion or stated what they are/aren't doing. You're using the fact that two games are able to exist as an example that Konami are ditching MGR series. It's possible for there to be a MGR:R 2 and MGSV at the same time though. Hypothetically, what would the situation be then?

Also, my example again(on topic):
Also, I was watching Smallville earlier today. There was a reference very similar to Dante in which Clark Kent said (Along the lines of) "You wouldn't catch me wearing spandex" which is obviously a joke at the expense of the original Superman. So is this an insult in the same way newDantes white hair incident is?

I... am so confused by what I just read. You think we're saying that MGR is going away? Would you mind clarifying what it is you're disagreeing with? I just want to figure out what it is you think I'm saying before we continue bickering

 

[Demi-fiend]

See, Incarnated Demon? I'm not the only one who thinks you're not worth debating with. :/

"What were you trying to prove? That deep down everyone's as ugly as you? You're alone!"

 

[Chancey289]

No one was ever worried that MGR would do anything to the MGS franchise because everyone knew it was just a spinoff. Who the hell even thought that? It's not even the same freaking genre. Where are you even getting this from?

And who the hell says DmC 2 was coming out before the first game was even finished? When did that happen? What the hell is even going on? Geez, this fanbase really is up there with Sonic fans.

 

[Chancey289]

^
So you could also make the assumption that because Raiden was in PSA, that Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is now going to replace the entire Metal Gear series.

This...going by your logic.

All Stars wasn't a game. It was a glorified commercial.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Dude, you're entire YouTube account is about how much you hate DmC. You've made videos(which are now hidden/deleted), been on my YouTube comments, other channels and spent all the last 6 months being unable to understand the basic concept of understanding and showing an incredibly high level of stupidity and stubbornness. Don't feel sorry for yourself like you have no-one to talk to because I'm not the only taking the **** out of you here and elsewhere.

See i dislike DmC not because i dislike it for no reason. And even if i dislike it i can look away from my dislike and credit DmC for its good things. So i have my reasons for disliking DmC.

And you think my dislike of a game is "bad", then tell me...why are you **** stirring on Youtube with your videos? Why are you creating more hate? I thought hate coming from me is bad, so why are you doing it? Arent you acccording to yourself different from me by highlightning i hate a game?

LEt's review your descriptions of your videos:

How long will you morons defend such a ****ty game? Makes...me....sick!

EEEXTREMELY Easy, but DmC is the problem here right? Just a question, where can I find those rose tinted glasses all of you wear? I'm looking to pick up a pair- so I too can see what it's like to see the world as a grade A(or SSS) bell-end.
Spanks in advance

Well...err...pretty easy. But what do I know? I mean, heck, it's not like I bothered to research what I say before saying it right? Ah heh heh heh heeeeeeeh. Seriously DMC community....

And you create titles only to provoke people.

What is so different between me making videos and you making videos eh?
There is no difference.
Your ****ed at people like me who cant stand DmC.

And i am ****ed at DmC.
And dont talk about my intelligence mate, arent you the guy who made two videos about how easy it is to get a S rank in DMC 1?

You do know that DMC 1 was released in 2001, while DmC was released in 2013? And what that means from a comparison perspective.

Hate breeds more hate, this is something this forums member never tries to do something about.
Constantly Unknown "warns" people against me, when i can be a reasonable person.
And my hate can go away, but if you mistreat me...it will only grow my hatred and it is hard to controll hatred.

But i suppose thats not your intention right? Your intention is probably like Jim Sterling or Ninja theory, "**** them".

Before you call me something, how about you look at yourself.

 

[EllDawn]

The problem though:

So why didn't they include the original Snake in the PSA then? You have a strong belief as to why newDante was added to the roster, yet not explained why the original Snake wasn't in the game despite the DMC and MG series both going through changes. If you'd be able to explain this, then I'd be interested in listening/reading.




You've made a point about how Speculation is speculation, yet you've stated in your post that you know what Capcoms motivations and thinking is without proving proof. Not only that but using fictional quotes.

I uploaded a funny video on this earlier this year and the comments were as such:
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=K4vKQ3yCxV8

Guess who Bandos Team is. So, debating with that dude(on here) is really not worth your time Ell' or anyone else.

I'm going to follow your advice mostly because it's been a long day and I'm tired. Thanks, 8Bit.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Dude, you're entire YouTube account is about how much you hate DmC. You've made videos(which are now hidden/deleted), been on my YouTube comments, other channels and spent all the last 6 months being unable to understand the basic concept of understanding and showing an incredibly high level of stupidity and stubbornness. Don't feel sorry for yourself like you have no-one to talk to because I'm not the only taking the **** out of you here and elsewhere.

Told ya. She's relentless.

So where's her YT page? :troll:

 

[Chancey289]

The season premiere of Dexter is playing tonight and I'm going watch that. I'm done. It's the final season too. The end begins and I'm going to miss Dexter. :'( I'm excited and a little depressed at the same time.