DmC Review by Angry Joe

[Shin Muramasa]

I know it's in a different world, the issue is that this is pretty much the only world we'll be getting now. I really doubt that will happen and having a good series take a backseat to an awful spin-off is not okay.

You want to know how to do a spin-off right? Look at Metal Gear Rising. While I can't vouch for the game's quality I can say that it does the spin-off thing right. It's simply a spin-off with a future and true MGS game already in the works. This image puts it nicely.

It's easy for Metal Gear fans to ignore because it doesn't disrupt the franchise.

It's easy because Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes was announced sometime after?/before? Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker was announced before?alongside? Metal Gear: Rising before it became Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. So if Metal Gear fans do not like Rising/Peace Walker/Ground Zeroes, they can flock to other games in the series. I'm not going to comment on The Phantom Pain and Kojima's long lost, Swedish brother. Revengeance's supporters and haters I don't really know. But it seems more silently hated compared to DmC. Most of it points to Raiden's existence not the game itself.

In Devil May Cry's case, fans are left with uncertainty. The last release was Devil May Cry 4. DmC: Devil May Cry was announced like 2-4 years after DMC4. No word on Devil May Cry 5. And whether DmC gets a sequel or not, whether DMC5 is announced, whether the DMC (and DmC, because it is part of it now) franchise will exist is left in uncertainty. Of course people will be angry and anxious.

 

[Slacri]

I am a massive comic book fan. You don't need to lecture me about Batman dude.

I was making my point at how changing the character so drastically in the main series isn't good. You brought up that Batman used guns in the past and I explained why that was a moot point.

 

[Slacri]

Your opinion it's an awful series.

Yes indeed.

Since it's not overwriting the old universe, this doesn't either. Classic DmC fans just went overly batshit in comparison to the MGS fans, but it's no less easier to ignore.

But it's taking precedent over the old universe. The MGS insanity wasn't nearly as bad. Want to know why? Because the mainline MGS franchise isn't taking a backseat to MGR. The worst it does is retcon Raiden's character a bit, and even then you can just argue that he's insane and it's a delusion if it bugs you that much.

 

[Slacri]

It's easy because Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes was announced sometime after?/before? Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker was announced before?alongside? Metal Gear: Rising before it became Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. So if Metal Gear fans do not like Rising/Peace Walker/Ground Zeroes, they can flock to other games in the series. I'm not going to comment on The Phantom Pain and Kojima's long lost, Swedish brother. Revengeance's supporters and haters I don't really know. But it seems more silently hated compared to DmC. Most of it points to Raiden's existence not the game itself.

In Devil May Cry's case, fans are left with uncertainty. The last release was Devil May Cry 4. DmC: Devil May Cry was announced like 2-4 years after DMC4. No word on Devil May Cry 5. And whether DmC gets a sequel or not, whether DMC5 is announced, whether the DMC (and DmC, because it is part of it now) franchise will exist is left in uncertainty. Of course people will be angry and anxious.

Yes, thank you.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

 

[MedicoreR]

lol he posted boss battles tracks

Dude you are real ? Im outta here, have a good day everyone lol The Slacri guy is joke

 

[Slacri]

What's going on?

It starts off as Angry Joe's pretty fair review of the game and then people claimed that he didn't give the story enough credit, to which I and others disagreed.

 

[Slacri]

lol he posted boss battles tracks

Dude you are real ? Im outta here, have a good day everyone lol The Slacri guy is joke

You claimed the game only had 2 songs in it, I claimed that was false and linked you a page with all the songs.
You then claimed that those songs were only sound effects and footsteps, I then linked you the actual songs on YouTube.
Are you just trolling me at this point?

 

[Drake]

I thought Joe gave a pretty fair review

 

[Frantix]

Between the positive reviews and this 4chan protest, I feel like the hardcore fans have had a collective breakdown. It's embarrassing.

 

[Shin Muramasa]

The worst it does is retcon Raiden's character a bit, and even then you can just argue that he's insane and it's a delusion if it bugs you that much.

You try being a child soldier who couldn't learn to cope with his experiences until you're around 30 years old, married, have a kid, and have to be a responsible parent. Oh, and by the way, about 90% of your body is a machine. Of course you'd be messed up. If Raiden wasn't used by La Li Le Lu Lo and even if he was a child soldier and lost almost all of his human body, I think he'd suffer less if he learned to cope at a younger age. And if his parents were never murdered by his "godfather" - oh wait, who's Raiden again? Jack the Ripper? You mean that bloke who went about and murdered a couple of prostitutes?

That's enough for me to see Raiden spiral down even more into mental instability. Most if not all of Metal Gear's characters are messed up because of war. And that's what makes the whole series so interesting. Makes you think why war hasn't been stopped. Maybe because it can't.

 

[Slacri]

I agree, I don't see the big issue with it, the slight retcon that can even be debated as not a retcon at all isn't nearly as bad as DmC.

 

[Chancey289]

You said you don't take it seriously and then proceeded to say that you found something intentionally over the top and silly too silly. If it's not to your tastes that's fine. Don't pretend it doesn't accomplish what it's trying to do though. Yes, I do because you're essentially watching a comedy show and complaining that the jokes aren't logically accurate. It's like someone telling you a knock knock joke and you're complaining that the punchline being some silly name is too stupid for you and not logically sound. That's the joke. Seriously, there's no real attempt at effort because it's not its goal. It's just a vehicle for some fun action. The combat is the core and I don't even know why you're putting such a focus on an obviously intentionally silly game. Do you complain that Mario is too cartoony for you? Interactive storytelling? That's laughable, considering this games main way of giving its story are cutscenes where you can't interact with them with long expository dialog. It's so obnoxious that there are cutscenes spliced into the middle of boss fights for no reason. Did I really need to see Vergil getting knocked back? What the hell did it add? There's nothing wrong with wanting a better story, but this isn't it. It tries but it falls flat on its face. Gee, it's a good thing it's a combat game then.

Uh, what? Yeah he's a dork but mom fetish? I've read bad fanfiction more interesting than this poorly told, hamfisted, stereotypical "narrative". I'm honestly shocked you've read my comments and haven't seen that the issue here is that the original canon didn't take itself too seriously, while this game does and it's heavily marketed on its awful story. DMC never marketed itself as a good story and it never tried to be something it wasn't like this game does.
You've ignored all of my points about how awful this game's narrative is and while I acknowledge the original DMC series didn't have a strong plot it worked because that's not what it was aiming for. Seriously, I've had to repeat the same point to you five times and I'm honestly shocked that anyone can't get that a game with a gun eating pizza, flying with a motorcycle and beating demons to death with it isn't taking itself seriously.

I can't image watching a comedy with you.

Video games have evolved. Games like Shadow of The Colossus and Journey are quite the works of art. Metal Gear Solid was one of the first games back in the day to make such interesting narrative with great voice acting and story along with fun gameplay to make it seem like it was a playable movie and before that video games never really reached that kind of quality. Yes, video games have built upon the simple back and forth of Pong to become a medium that has also set a standard for itself. Again, why do you keep acting like Devil May Cry was suppose to be some kind of comedy out of the gate? Quit telling yourself that because that ISN'T the case. Quit giving it that special pass you people suddenly made up for it. The reason why I said Dante has a mom fetish because of the what happens in the first DMC game. They were basically living together by the end of the game. There interaction with each other was borderline romance and it's funny to think that's the case because it's weird. The fangirls sure as hell have a field day with those fanfics when they aren't pairing Dante with his brother or Nero.

 

[Shin Muramasa]

*Incoming giganto image of doomz.*

The purest form of love.

 

[PopRock123]

I thing Joe's review was pretty fair I agreed and disagreed on some of the things he said but personally I would have given this game an 8 because unlike Joe I actually grew to like the characters.

 

[ChaserTech]

lol he posted boss battles tracks

Dude you are real ? Im outta here, have a good day everyone lol The Slacri guy is joke

Here's what you've said.

"A no story, 10 missions, 10 backward, 2 songs, 4 hours lenght, 3 weapons . . . "
After that, you switched to: "what songs played while Nero fight aganist his casual enemies?"


You originally said TWO songs. You didn't specify anything until after Slacri pointed out that there were a lot more.

 

[Slacri]

Video games have evolved. Games like Shadow of The Colossus and Journey are quite the works of art. Metal Gear Solid was one of the first games back in the day to make such interesting narrative with great voice acting and story along with fun gameplay to make it seem like it was a playable movie and before that video games never really reached that kind of quality. Yes, video games have built upon the simple back and forth of Pong to become a medium that has also set a standard for itself. Again, why do you keep acting like Devil May Cry was suppose to be some kind of comedy out of the gate? Quit telling yourself that because that ISN'T the case. Quit giving it that special pass you people suddenly made up for it. The reason why I said Dante has a mom fetish because of the what happens in the first DMC game. They were basically living together by the end of the game. There interaction with each other was borderline romance and it's funny to think that's the case because it's weird. The fangirls sure as hell have a field day with those fanfics when they aren't pairing Dante with his brother or Nero.

Because 3 and 4 weren't straight up comedies, but they clearly weren't to be taken too seriously and they were very light hearted ( apart from some questionable Nero scenes ). And don't get me wrong, I'm not against evolution of the game's weak plot line to something more tangible but this just isn't it. It's actually a step down honestly.

Um, what? You're looking a bit too deep into it. How is living together any indication of a sexual romance? I've had female room mates as just friends without any sexual implications. It really means nothing, and how is it borderline romance at all? All they do is joke around with each other.

Your accusations are especially more strange when the closest Dante even got to a romantic interest was Lady, it was never Trish. Any love he has for her was established as platonic.

How the hell is fangirls making fanfiction indicative of any canon relationship? I notice you have an MLP avatar, am I supposed to believe that the ponies are heavily sexualized in the show because there are a group of people who make fanfics and art of that?

It tries to throw serious topics and swearing in a desperate attempt to try to be more mature but it falls flat because it doesn't do any of these things other than for mature shock value. It honestly reminds me of a child throwing a tantrum. A game like this does more to hold back the genre than really push it forward. DMC games at least pushed the genre forward in terms of gameplay and combat, which were its core attractions.

You haven't actually established why my "special pass" is invalid other than calling it a special pass. The plot is stupid but it knows this and rolls with it, not taking itself too seriously. DmC has a stupid plot that doesn't know what it wants to be and feels awkward as a result. How do you not get this?

 

[EvilX-81]

But it's taking precedent over the old universe. The MGS insanity wasn't nearly as bad. Want to know why? Because the mainline MGS franchise isn't taking a backseat to MGR.

Which is what is being "assumed" by the DMC fans. DMC games come out sparsely nowadays, so it's not proof that the old DMC will stop being made and this will completely take over. Like you said, MGS is just that big a franchise to support multiple rapid and varied releases.

The worst it does is retcon Raiden's character a bit, and even then you can just argue that he's insane and it's a delusion if it bugs you that much.

Headcanon is fun, but has no bearing on the actual story canon.

 

[Chancey289]

I know it's in a different world, the issue is that this is pretty much the only world we'll be getting now. I really doubt that will happen and having a good series take a backseat to an awful spin-off is not okay.

You want to know how to do a spin-off right? Look at Metal Gear Rising. While I can't vouch for the game's quality I can say that it does the spin-off thing right. It's simply a spin-off with a future and true MGS game already in the works. This image puts it nicely.

It's easy for Metal Gear fans to ignore because it doesn't disrupt the franchise.

You don't understand Metal Gear Solid like I do and I'm a bigger Metal Gear than I am DMC fan. Metal Gear that hardly involves Kojima is already step one of failure. Using a character no one really likes is step 2. Becoming a game that literally seems to pay no homage at all to it's roots is step 3. DmC gives still a devil may cry experience better than 2 and 4 no doubt and the people against it are not justified in the grief they give it. Metal Gear fans like myself have every right to not be happy with some stupid hack n slash game made by some company who always puts out games that never excel the decent mark and doesn't even involve the person who understands Metal Gear the most. The butthurt DMC fans are giving Rising more attention than the Metal Gear fans are. It would be more interesting if Kojima was allowed to make the original idea for the game which was going to star GRAY FOX (the real Cyborg Ninja) and lead up to the events of Metal Gear Solid. Kojima would have been director but no Konami pushed for a Raiden centric game that he didn't even want to make! Which is why he just handed off the project and honestly I see him not even caring too much about it when I heard him just refer to it as "that other game." Even the 2nd idea of Rising was more interesting than what they have now because man this game just looks like crap. Looks very repetitive and by god it shows P*'s stupid bs mark on Metal Gear and the lack of Kojima is very evident. Like I'm going to think the people who made a freaking porn game actually make a good Metal Gear game.

Sure as hell us Metal Gear fans ignore it and are all waiting for Ground Zeroes instead but to see the stubborn DMC fanbase shifting to Rising only because they are butthurt over the reboot and see P* name on it is just retarded. They aren't real fans and will diss just about anyone supporting the reboot as so called "fake fans" I don't know how many times the people wanting the original back claimed they are "true fans" because they love the original series so much more where really they are just bigots.

 

[EvilX-81]

Also I don't get why I'm supposed to take this plot anymore seriously than perhaps DMC3's.

For god sakes, DmC's plot encompasses a glimmer of every conspiracy theory under the sun.