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DmC Review by Angry Joe

I know it's in a different world, the issue is that this is pretty much the only world we'll be getting now. I really doubt that will happen and having a good series take a backseat to an awful spin-off is not okay.

You want to know how to do a spin-off right? Look at Metal Gear Rising. While I can't vouch for the game's quality I can say that it does the spin-off thing right. It's simply a spin-off with a future and true MGS game already in the works. This image puts it nicely.

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It's easy for Metal Gear fans to ignore because it doesn't disrupt the franchise.
You can't be any more wrong dear sir. Search youtube for 'metal gear rising machinima interview'. Rising is CANON
 
Which is what is being "assumed" by the DMC fans. DMC games come out sparsely nowadays, so it's not proof that the old DMC will stop being made and this will completely take over. Like you said, MGS is just that big a franchise to support multiple rapid and varied releases.
We have absolutely nothing that points to a DMC5. MGS fans have a trailer and a confirmed announcement.



Headcanon is fun, but has no bearing on the actual story canon.
I'm just saying Raiden's minor retcon isn't that big of a deal.
Metal Gear rising is bad I don't like it
You've completely missed my point. I haven't said the game is good or bad, even if it's disrespectful it's not as bad as DmC. You want to know why? Because there's a confirmed MGS5 and MGR isn't that hard to ignore. DmC you can't just ignore because it's the only future of the franchise we have.

Also, Bayonetta is a porn game? What? I don't find it funny at all that someone who loves DmC doesn't like Bayonetta.
 
You can't be any more wrong dear sir. Search youtube for 'metal gear rising machinima interview'. Rising is CANON
I didn't say it wasn't. I said it was a spin-off series and the mainline MGS series is not taking a backseat to its development because of MGR.
 
Also I don't get why I'm supposed to take this plot anymore seriously than perhaps DMC3's.

For god sakes, DmC's plot encompasses a glimmer of every conspiracy theory under the sun.
Because it focuses on the narrative a lot more, with interviews of the staff claiming the game is "Shakespearean" and Ninja Theory being praised for its storytelling and claiming they want to bring games on the level of books and cinema. The story has a much more serious tone.

Not that this would be a big issue if the gameplay stood up for it, but it doesn't.
 
I didn't say it wasn't. I said it was a spin-off series and the mainline MGS series is not taking a backseat to its development because of MGR.
You claim that it doesnt disrupt the franchise, which is false due to rising being canon.
 
This thread is really going off topic people are talking about Batman, music, metal gear, and other stuff that has nothing to do with the review.
It's gotten slightly off topic, but it's still being tied into DmC. It's no full blown discussion of any of those and the point of discussing them is comparing and contrasting them to DmC.
 
Looking at this thread Slacri got you guys the same way he got us Lmao this is hilarious
What do you mean by "got you"? I'm not trolling, I'm giving my actual thought of the game and attempting to back it up with points.

Am I trolling because I disagree with you?
 
Because 3 and 4 weren't straight up comedies, but they clearly weren't to be taken too seriously and they were very light hearted ( apart from some questionable Nero scenes ). And don't get me wrong, I'm not against evolution of the game's weak plot line to something more tangible but this just isn't it. It's actually a step down honestly.

Um, what? You're looking a bit too deep into it. How is living together any indication of a sexual romance? I've had female room mates as just friends without any sexual implications. It really means nothing, and how is it borderline romance at all? All they do is joke around with each other.

Your accusations are especially more strange when the closest Dante even got to a romantic interest was Lady, it was never Trish. Any love he has for her was established as platonic.

How the hell is fangirls making fanfiction indicative of any canon relationship? I notice you have an MLP avatar, am I supposed to believe that the ponies are heavily sexualized in the show because there are a group of people who make fanfics and art of that?

It tries to throw serious topics and swearing in a desperate attempt to try to be more mature but it falls flat because it doesn't do any of these things other than for mature shock value. It honestly reminds me of a child throwing a tantrum. A game like this does more to hold back the genre than really push it forward. DMC games at least pushed the genre forward in terms of gameplay and combat, which were its core attractions.

You haven't actually established why my "special pass" is invalid other than calling it a special pass. The plot is stupid but it knows this and rolls with it, not taking itself too seriously. DmC has a stupid plot that doesn't know what it wants to be and feels awkward as a result. How do you not get this?
Just because Devil May Cry acts stupid it doesn't make it any less stupid. The narrative in DmC is better than the previous because they actually put emphasis on trying to tell a story that also always stays in context to the tale being told. The first act of the game can basically be summed up as more of an origin story to Dante as the game as a whole but after you recover Dante's lost memories we focus on the passive aggressive fist secretly controlling the world and they story never leaves that. I'm trying not to post spoilers here. What do you mean it doesn't know what it wants to be? The previous games didn't know what it wanted to be as Dante and the central plot changed EVER SINGLE TIME. Honestly making a reboot is no different. Devil May Cry was never consistent as like I said, it's a very unorganized canon.

You still keep passing Devil May Cry off as if it's some kind of parody with the intention of being evidently crappy but really it is not. Devil May Cry does take itself seriously to an extent because Capcom just doesn't know how to write. It's just as stupid as when Bayonetta tried to pass off all it's fetish themes as if it was ironic where it just makes your eyes roll and tells me just reach the obvious conclusion and make a goddamn porn game. DmC for the most part actually has a very distinctive vision and identity for the game and it does stick straight to the story being told here. It isn't trying to be a freaking generic anime anymore which DMC does not need to exist. The way the narrative is set up definitely has it better because freaking effort was put into in the first place. DMC was never really interesting or special alone if we're talking about stories because if it's gameplay didn't hold up it would be dead out the gate. That stagnation started to show as this look and personality DMC was adapting especially after the crappy 4 really does only appeal to a limited crowd and a reboot would not have been made if everything was going right. You love the original series so much more? Evidently you didn't show it because they needed to branch out with the decision for a reboot.
 
We have absolutely nothing that points to a DMC5. MGS fans have a trailer and a confirmed announcement.




I'm just saying Raiden's minor retcon isn't that big of a deal.

You've completely missed my point. I haven't said the game is good or bad, even if it's disrespectful it's not as bad as DmC. You want to know why? Because there's a confirmed MGS5 and MGR isn't that hard to ignore. DmC you can't just ignore because it's the only future of the franchise we have.

Also, Bayonetta is a porn game? What? I don't find it funny at all that someone who loves DmC doesn't like Bayonetta.
She wears skin tight leather clothes with glasses. Her special moves look like a foundation for BDS&M. Also when she goes into the equivalent of Dante's Devil Trigger it's just to take her freaking clothes off completely. That entire game is like the developers wet dreams in video game form. Am I suppose to believe a company like P* is really some great developer? -_- I don't have a problem with sexual themes at all but it's like playing a DOA game, I want to take you seriously but you wiggle tits in my face acting like you're something you're not.

DmC has mature themes because it's an M rated game and I swear and have sex myself. Why the **** would I get all uptight if a video game does stuff like this? It doesn't do venture into the territory to some ridiculous extent like people claim it does. I should know, I played through the entire game unlike the people who you know, never gave it chance to begin with and passed all these rash assumptions with bias fanboy hatred. Bayonetta is freaking juvenile. It really is just like a teenager who's discovered hentai and thought he could add sword fighting in the mix.
 
Just because Devil May Cry acts stupid it doesn't make it any less stupid.
I never claimed it wasn't stupid, I claimed that it flowed better because it rolled with its stupidity and it didn't feel awkward and clumsy because it knew what it was trying to do.
The narrative in DmC is better than the previous because they actually put emphasis on trying to tell a story that also always stays in context to the tale being told.
The fact that they tried to put more narrative in doesn't make it any better. It squanders the use of video games as an interactive medium by taking away player control during its lengthy cutscenes and is so obnoxious with this that it puts cutscenes in the middle of boss fights. It hurt my enjoyment of the actual game.
What do you mean it doesn't know what it wants to be? The previous games didn't know what it wanted to be as Dante and the central plot changed EVER SINGLE TIME. Honestly making a reboot is no different. Devil May Cry was never consistent as like I said, it's a very unorganized canon.
1 was lost due to its origins as a Resident Evil game, 2 was just a general mess, 3 knew what it wanted to be within itself and 4 is similar to 3, although its thrown off balance occasionally due to Nero's angst scenes. I say it doesn't know what it wants to be because it's so uneven with its tone.

The opening scene is actually very similar to DMC3's. Dante is ambushed by demons, and what ensues is an over the top, comedic and just ridiculous cutscene. DMC3 continues this tone through out the entire game because it knew that's what it was. DmC goes goes to a far more sincere and dark level. It goes from Vergil shooting down some pregnant demons and even if you feel the morality was justified, it doesn't change the fact that it was a dark, serious and more grotesque scene. Then we go to Vergil and Dante palling around with dick jokes. It tries to take itself seriously without actually following through.

You still keep passing Devil May Cry off as if it's some kind of parody with the intention of being evidently crappy but really it is not. Devil May Cry does take itself seriously to an extent because Capcom just doesn't know how to write. It's just as stupid as when Bayonetta tried to pass off all it's fetish themes as if it was ironic where it just makes your eyes roll and tells me just reach the obvious conclusion and make a goddamn porn game.
I'm going to ask you to explain to me how a game where the protagonist literally rides a motorcycle up a 90 degree angle of a large tower, starts beating down demons with it mid-air and then lands perfectly with the motorcycle blowing up his hands is taking itself seriously in any way or trying to deliver a serious narrative. I feel like at this point the game couldn't tell you it was obviously just for fun unless it had a neon sign.
DmC for the most part actually has a very distinctive vision and identity for the game and it does stick straight to the story being told here. It isn't trying to be a freaking generic anime anymore which DMC does not need to exist. The way the narrative is set up definitely has it better because freaking effort was put into in the first place. DMC was never really interesting or special alone if we're talking about stories because if it's gameplay didn't hold up it would be dead out the gate. That stagnation started to show as this look and personality DMC was adapting especially after the crappy 4 really does only appeal to a limited crowd and a reboot would not have been made if everything was going right. You love the original series so much more? Evidently you didn't show it because they needed to branch out with the decision for a reboot.
It might have a distinct vision, but whatever vision it has is lost in its juvenile tantrum of angst. It's awkwardly trapped between two worlds and doesn't know what it wants to be. How have you not addressed my complaints about how the narrative takes away from game play?

Also, I like how you're acting as if the game play holding up is a small thing when it's an action game primarily focused on giving you a satisfying combat experience.

What do you want me to do? I bought 4 and the HD collection and I mainly believe this branching out is due to Inafune. DMC4 sold the best of the entire franchise so I don't know where your implications that the series wasn't doing well enough even come from.
 
She wears skin tight leather clothes with glasses. Her special moves look like a foundation for BDS&M. Also when she goes into the equivalent of Dante's Devil Trigger it's just to take her freaking clothes off completely. That entire game is like the developers wet dreams in video game form. Am I suppose to believe a company like P* is really some great developer? -_- I don't have a problem with sexual themes at all but it's like playing a DOA game, I want to take you seriously but you wiggle tits in my face acting like you're something you're not.
I feel as if tongue in cheek and over the top comedy is completely lost on you. I'm not denying that Bayonetta is sexualised, but to call it a porn game is very far fetched.

DmC has mature themes because it's an M rated game and I swear and have sex myself. Why the **** would I get all uptight if a video game does stuff like this? It doesn't do venture into the territory to some ridiculous extent like people claim it does. I should know, I played through the entire game unlike the people who you know, never gave it chance to begin with and passed all these rash assumptions with bias fanboy hatred. Bayonetta is freaking juvenile. It really is just like a teenager who's discovered hentai and thought he could add sword fighting in the mix.
Swearing and sex aren't mature, it's the equivalent of a kid trying to be mature. I like how you point out how much you don't care about sex but you complain when Bayonetta is sexualised. I've played through the entire game as well and yes, it does. Every boss fight but maybe Vergil involves Dante just throwing out a string of swear words and the demons replying back likewise. It's even more hilarious because the walls even swear at you.

The difference between Bayonetta and DmC's maturity is again, DmC is using these juvenile concepts to try and be more mature while Bayonetta is using it to just be fun and juvenile.
 
She wears skin tight leather clothes with glasses. Her special moves look like a foundation for BDS&M. Also when she goes into the equivalent of Dante's Devil Trigger it's just to take her freaking clothes off completely. That entire game is like the developers wet dreams in video game form. Am I suppose to believe a company like P* is really some great developer? -_- I don't have a problem with sexual themes at all but it's like playing a DOA game, I want to take you seriously but you wiggle tits in my face acting like you're something you're not.

DmC has mature themes because it's an M rated game and I swear and have sex myself. Why the **** would I get all uptight if a video game does stuff like this? It doesn't do venture into the territory to some ridiculous extent like people claim it does. I should know, I played through the entire game unlike the people who you know, never gave it chance to begin with and passed all these rash assumptions with bias fanboy hatred. Bayonetta is freaking juvenile. It really is just like a teenager who's discovered hentai and thought he could add sword fighting in the mix.

I feel DmC has a better story anyway I don't have to play 1-3 to find out a generally overview of the universe.... I like 3 more for being a bit more story drivin than the past 2 incarnations and i still think its the best out of the series, DmC i felt was just an all rounder good I didnt excel in one area just a big circle
 
The difference between Bayonetta and DmC's maturity is again, DmC is using these juvenile concepts to try and be more mature while Bayonetta is using it to just be fun and juvenile.

So you're saying a game where walls, a slurm queen, and a giant punchable Bill O'Reilly head is trying to be mature. I don't think so. Only as much as a Superman comic.

Also I can't see where anyone could argue that Bayonetta's story was better than DmC's.
 
So you're saying a game where walls, a slurm queen, and a giant punchable Bill O'Reilly head is trying to be mature. I don't think so. Only as much as a Superman comic.
Well yes, and the obvious Fox News and Bill O'Reilly references are trying to deliver a very hamfisted political subtext. I'm curious if you've actually read a Superman comic.
 
Well yes, and the obvious Fox News and Bill O'Reilly references are trying to deliver a very hamfisted political subtext.

By political subtext, do you mean, "Fox and Bill O'Reilly are pricks?" because that's as far as it goes. Are you really trying to tell me there's a message behind the "bankers own the world" theme too? Because from my POV it looks like it just fits with their "Illuminati" story theme.

I'm curious if you've actually read a Superman comic.

I'm curious if YOU have actually read a Superman comic to ask that.
 
By political subtext, do you mean, "Fox and Bill O'Reilly are pricks?" because that's as far as it goes. Are you really trying to tell me there's a message behind the "bankers own the world" theme too? Because from my POV it looks like it just fits with their "Illuminati" story theme.
It's very hamfisted with the "government is manipulating us with the media" theme. That's the subtext I'm talking about, although it isn't subtle.
Even the whole ending They Live scene has the whole #DEMONS WE HAVE AWOKEN stuff.


I'm curious if YOU have actually read a Superman comic to ask that.
Are you implying that Superman comics are immature? While there are many lighthearted Superman stories there are a great deal of them that tackle more mature subjects and themes, far more elegantly than DmC could hope to accomplish.
 
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