DmC and DMC

[DragonMaster2010]

I've played DMC2 only partially, but to me, it doesn't seem too terrible. Sure, the combat seems to suck, but does that mean everyone hates it? No. People don't automatically hate games that are worse than their predecessors.

True. I mean even though DMC2 wasn't as good as the others, but I still enjoy playing it, and would love to play it again if I had the chance.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Yes, hating, but I didn't call them a hater. There's a difference. They're people getting angry and spilling rage on a game, that's called hating. Calling someone a hater is thereby giving them a title, rather than referring to them by name. ;_; so really, don't put words in my mouth, please.

And the answer I guess...why not? And the originals don't suck. When I look back at them I think maybe they could've managed another sequel, maybe a prequel, but by then I think they would've ran out of ideas or drops futher in quality until they wouldn't have been as fun anymore. Sometimes you just have to stop, because you can reach a point when there's a sequel too many and there's nothing left to offer. Think of films that have done this, tv series or even games. Tomb Raider was on these same tracks, if they hadnt rebooted, I don't know where Tomb Raider would've ended up. It needed changed, and so did DMC. Maybe it got it a little easier than needed, but it's here now and I think from what I've seen it's the right way to go with it. It's not going for a full fleshed out remake, it's doing something new with it like Tomb Raider is.

Where as people have said Dante looks emo, when was the last time you really heard people take focus of Lara and say 'that's not Lara, she's a trembling wreck'. Then again I haven't paid much attention on the Tomb Raider front, do they? o.o



Lol! I'm sorry that gif made me crack up XD you wouldn't be trying to break the ice with humor, would you Random?


Wasn't it hinted in a art piece the Rebellion might change in appearance by the end of the game?

And agreeing, I want to ducktape the fanbase back together. :'(

...er....who is Eventstatus? o.o

He's a gamer with the balls to stand up to corrupt companies and stay true to his opinion by not buying their games. Basically if all gamers were like him, companies like EA would be screwed.

My only problem with him is that he believes there are people being payed to troll the community to raise hype for video games, my guess is if he sees this post, he's gonna label me as one of them... a second time.

But all in all, I respect him as he is the V of gamers.

 

[Lionheart]

Yes, hating, but I didn't call them a hater. There's a difference. They're people getting angry and spilling rage on a game, that's called hating. Calling someone a hater is thereby giving them a title, rather than referring to them by name. ;_; so really, don't put words in my mouth, please.

People who 'hate' are haters. People who criticize are not haters. You would do well to remember the difference. I'm sorry, but I stand by what I previously said; you're splitting hairs.

It's not going for a full fleshed out remake, it's doing something new with it like Tomb Raider is.

I can't say I agree. Dante is a totally different character now, the story is different, there are different characters, and so on. It's not a complete remake, but it's not just 'doing something new'. I doubt Lara Croft turned into a guy, got blond hair or got a totally different personality or whatever. If Capcom wanted to do something new, they could've done that without replacing the original series. Like a spin-off, I suppose.

 

[Lionheart]

He's a gamer with the balls to stand up to corrupt companies and stay true to his opinion by not buying their games. Basically if all gamers were like him, companies like EA would be screwed.

My only problem with him is that he believes there are people being payed to troll the community to raise hype for video games, my guess is if he sees this post, he's gonna label me as one of them... a second time.

But all in all, I respect him as he is the V of gamers.

Who are you talking about? Eventstatus?
I can say I'm sure that there are reviewers who get paid by companies to give games favorable reviews. Those are the 'official' reviewers. I always stick to unofficial reviewers, or at the very least people who don't grade exorbitantly. I mean, when Halo 4 and Fable III get a higher grade than a 9.0 out of 10, you know something's up.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

People who 'hate' are haters. People who criticize are not haters. You would do well to remember the difference. I'm sorry, but I stand by what I previously said; you're splitting hairs.

I can't say I agree. Dante is a totally different character now, the story is different, there are different characters, and so on. It's not a complete remake, but it's not just 'doing something new'. I doubt Lara Croft turned into a guy, got blond hair or got a totally different personality or whatever. If Capcom wanted to do something new, they could've done that without replacing the original series. Like a spin-off, I suppose.

Funny you should mention the new Tomb Raider, since this Lara does have a different personality from her previous incarnations. Seriously, she does. She's scared out of her mind and screaming relentlessly half the time, and even stupidly mutters "I hate tombs" like a baby. That's a far cry from the Lara Croft everyone knows.

And my god, DmC is not replacing the original series. I'm sick of people saying this because there is no evidence to support it. Capcom has even consistently said that the classic DMC is not abandoned in any way.

 

[Nekodark]

Funny you should mention the new Tomb Raider, since this Lara does have a different personality from her previous incarnations. Seriously, she does. She's scared out of her mind and screaming relentlessly half the time, and even stupidly mutters "I hate tombs" like a baby. That's a far cry from the Lara Croft everyone knows.

And my god, DmC is not replacing the original series. I'm sick of people saying this because there is no evidence to support it. Capcom has even consistently said that the classic DMC is not abandoned in any way.

Wait isn't the new Tomb Raider is in the same take as DmC a new take on things and origins...and no outcry about that?? I mean not that I want there to be but nothing but 'I can't wait for this game' and likes is what I've been seeing...*Scratches head*


Yeah Capcom has not even said anything about this game replacing the original hell it has been said to death that it is not and they still want to do DMC 5.

 

[ToCool74]

Yeah Capcom has not even said anything about this game replacing the original hell it has been said to death that it is not and they still want to do DMC 5.

I recall a interview where they said that a DMC5 would depend on how well DmC sales.

That is a very ambiguous statement.

It could mean that Capcom would see DMC as a series worth investing in if DmC sales well and thus would consider going back to the old timeline and pumping out a DMC5 with NT on the helm.

Or it could mean that they thought they may have made a mistake with this reboot if DmC sales poorly and will thus go back to the old timeline and think of some new ideas for DMC5.

Or it could just mean that they would just can the whole series if DmC sales poorly.

 

[Nekodark]

^ Or it could mean that they want to put this game out get more of an audiunce while trying to figure out what to do with DMC 5 storyline(Whoo good luck with that one) and maybe they have other projects they are working on so again maybe or when those are done they can have the people who they want to work on 5 there and not wrapped up in their own prodjects or other games.

They never left the original canon, they just don't know what the hell else to do, wow I am a professional pessimist and even I can think of positive things to say about both games series lol

 

[ToCool74]

^ Or it could mean that they want to put this game out get more of an audiunce while trying to figure out what to do with DMC 5 storyline(Whoo good luck with that one) and maybe they have other projects they are working on so again maybe or when those are done they can have the people who they want to work on 5 there and not wrapped up in their own prodjects or other games.

They never left the original canon, they just don't know what the hell else to do, wow I am a professional pessimist and even I can think of positive things to say about both games series lol

Well what you said has nothing to do with what they explicitly stated.

They stated that it depends on how well DmC sales.

What you just did was list out unsupported ideas of their motives should they want to work on DMC5.

I was referring to their statement from the interview in question.

And I'm not agreeing with the notion that they left the old series behind or replaced it, merely pointing out that the old canon's fate is left up in the air at the moment due to their ambiguous statement concerning it.

 

[Alittleacorn]

People who 'hate' are haters. People who criticize are not haters. You would do well to remember the difference. I'm sorry, but I stand by what I previously said; you're splitting hairs.

Well then I refuse to discuss the game any further with you, when you're getting the wrong end of the stick of what I meant. But I ask again, do not put words in my mouth, and do not push me with accusing me of things of ill faith when they were not the intention at all.

And there's a fine line between honest criticism and plan out insults. No fans should show their 'criticism' by spewing death treats and cursing to high heavens at every open window they get on on Youtube. That's being a pure out bully.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Wait isn't the new Tomb Raider is in the same take as DmC a new take on things and origins...and no outcry about that?? I mean not that I want there to be but nothing but 'I can't wait for this game' and likes is what I've been seeing...*Scratches head*

Yeah Capcom has not even said anything about this game replacing the original hell it has been said to death that it is not and they still want to do DMC 5.

And therein lies the irony. Both games are new takes on the series, although the new Tomb Raider is supposed to apparently be a complete reboot to the series, starting over from the character's very origins, and showing her grow from something different and into what everyone remembers. It's the same with DmC, showing us a rough-around-the-edges Dante that grows into something in line with the classic, there's even so much personality of the classic already present in him. The only difference here is that DmC has been stated several times to not do anything to the original canon, because it makes its own, being in its own universe.

Yeah, their ambiguous "depends on DmC sales" makes no sense, but...that's business; sometimes it's best to give safe, ambiguous answers. I'd mostly imagine that they want to see if people still support the series and actually want something new, because I think Capcom may (misguidedly at times) want to stop doing the same thing over and over again (Street Fighter notwithstanding), and explore new options. Be thankful that DmC, being its own thang, isn't part of the main series, which therefore won't necessarily suffer from the complete detachment from it's core experience like Resident Evil 6 did. So many people are apparently saddened that RE6 turned into a survival-horror-less action game, and that's part of the main series. It's hard to live that down (much like DMC2), but DmC, being something wholly new to the brand, seeks to try some new things without doing what RE6 did.

Oddly enough though, people are so up in arms that DmC is doing to DMC exactly what RE6 did to Resident Evil, but...they aren't. DmC is a standalone title (as of now, could be its own series, whatever) and one is a direct sequel that affects the rest of the canon. In that vain, DmC =/= DMC2.

 

[Nekodark]

Well what you said has nothing to do with what they explicitly stated.

They stated that it depends on how well DmC sales.

What you just did was list out unsupported ideas of their motives should they want to work on DMC5.

I was referring to their statement from the interview in question.

And I'm not agreeing with the notion that they left the old series behind or replaced it, merely pointing out that the old canon's fate is left up in the air at the moment due to their ambiguous statement concerning it.

Ok am the type who wants a source that says right then and their that it depends on game sales, and I do not mean the read between the lines crap. I want proof something I can see them saying 'If DmC does well we will do a new DMC' because vague answers can be taken anyway depending on how you read them and I do not hold water on vague since minds can change or it is not what they meant to say.

And our original canon has always been up in the air game with each damn game man..none of them seems to fit together it seems the series was starting over with each game...

 

[ToCool74]

Ok am the type who wants a source that says right then and their that it depends on game sales, and I do not mean the read between the lines crap. I want proof something I can see them saying 'If DmC does well we will do a new DMC' because vague answers can be taken anyway depending on how you read them and I do not hold water on vague since minds can change or it is not what they meant to say.

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Read the comment above yours.

TwoXAcross explained it well that its a good idea from a "business" standpoint to give fans ambiguous answers.

And as far as a link, it was posted a while back on a topic on this forum, anyone who keeps up with all the interviews knows it but I guess you may have missed it...

I will do some digging in a bit.

 

[Nekodark]

Read the comment above yours.

TwoXAcross explained it well that its a good idea from a "business" standpoint to give fans ambiguous answers.

And as far as a link, it was posted a while back on a topic on this forum, anyone who keeps up with all the interviews knows it but I guess you may have missed it...

I will do some digging in a bit.

Ambiguous yes but is it set in stone no, since there is no where have they said they are given up the series if this one does well there is a difference with that and just saying they want to see how this game does and maybe this game was made to keep the series out there while they work on the original canon, place holder to get others fans who may not have liked the other games into the DMC world without it being fully DMC.

The thing is I do not assume things about what others are going to do I go by what I see and what I am told until I find out different and for me to say what is going on as if I work there would be silly for me to do.

 

[ToCool74]

Ambiguous yes but is it set in stone no since

since what?

EDIT

Ambiguous yes but is it set in stone no, since there is no where have they said they are given up the series if this one does well there is a difference with that and just saying they want to see how
this game does and maybe this game was made to keep the series out there while they work on the original canon, place holder to get others fans who may not have liked the other games into the DMC world without it being fully DMC.

The thing is I do not assume things about what others are going to do I go by what I see and what I am told until I find out different and for me to say what is going on as if I work there would be silly for me to do.

I see you edited your post.

Well I'm trying to dig up the link but you keep replying lol.

Well regarding your edit, I also go by what I have seen and heard, but there is no way for you to know what is in their minds, hence why the reasons you listed are purely speculation.

What we have to go on at the moment is their word and their word alone, and their words was that there will be a DMC5 depending on DmC sells.


You can nick and pick all you want, but thats what was said and Capcom hasn't commented on the issue since then so we don't have any other info to go on except that.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

can't say I agree. Dante is a totally different character now, the story is different, there are different characters, and so on. It's not a complete remake, but it's not just 'doing something new'. I doubt Lara Croft turned into a guy, got blond hair or got a totally different personality or whatever. If Capcom wanted to do something new, they could've done that without replacing the original series. Like a spin-off, I suppose.

Actually this Dante is just as cocky and smack talking as the past Dante. Hell they practically are father and son when you put them together. I think the reason people say they're nothing alike is because of the look. So new Dante says the F-word, that's just one word that differentiates them.

And Lara is very different from her old self. Now she's scared, says she hates tombs, and isn't as cool as she was before.

 

[MegaMad9]

http://devilmaycry.org/community/threads/does-hate-mean-different.13097/
I think this thread holds a lot of answers why people don't like this game

 

[Nekodark]

since what?

EDIT




I see you edited your post.

Well I'm trying to dig up the link but you keep replying lol.

Well regarding your edit, I also go by what I have seen and heard, but there is no way for you to know what is in their minds, hence why the reasons you listed are purely speculation.

What we have to go on at the moment is their word and their word alone, and their words was that there will be a DMC5 depending on DmC sells.




You can nick and pick all you want, but thats what was said and Capcom hasn't commented on the issue since then so we don't have any other info to go on except that.

How is it nick-picky to say I am not going to assume something when nothing out right has been said so nothing is set in stone and I rather not go on and state something or think something that could very well be wrong. I mean really what I think and do is not being nick-picky it is being cautious because I am not in the people who make the decisions head.

But ok if that is nick picking to you so be it I will be right here not latching onto anything until it is out in the open and on record without having to read between lines.

Edit: @MegaMad9 What are we suppose to see in the thread? *Tilts head* you know what never mind.

 

[Frazz]

Funny you should mention the new Tomb Raider, since this Lara does have a different personality from her previous incarnations. Seriously, she does. She's scared out of her mind and screaming relentlessly half the time, and even stupidly mutters "I hate tombs" like a baby. That's a far cry from the Lara Croft everyone knows.

And my god, DmC is not replacing the original series. I'm sick of people saying this because there is no evidence to support it. Capcom has even consistently said that the classic DMC is not abandoned in any way.

I completely agree! Tomb Raider is taking a more Uncharted like approach and is very different in that you only fight realistic enemies and not OTT random stuff... I like the new Tomb Raider but only cuz I like uncharted and I am very surprised that it hasn't picked up nearly enough hate as DmC. Shows how DMC fans get riled up easily while it seems Tomb Raider fans don't care :/

 

[Nekodark]

I completely agree! Tomb Raider is taking a more Uncharted like approach and is very different in that you only fight realistic enemies and not OTT random stuff... I like the new Tomb Raider but only cuz I like uncharted and I am very surprised that it hasn't picked up nearly enough hate as DmC. Shows how DMC fans get riled up easily while it seems Tomb Raider fans don't care :/

I want to play the new TR game as well since I grew up on the games, but when I saw this new one I winced and braced myself for backlash since I am used to it from DmC and I saw nothing and I was scratching my head on it all.