DmC and DMC

[Paexie]

Lmao. I've had said that before on the thread discussing sales. I just don't think it will be enough to warrant another game.
Especially when NT has had sales that equal Castlevania LoS but haven't followed it up. Maybe production values are higher than usual for their games (using actors, total motion capture and all that jazz).

 

[DarkSlayer54]

It really concerns me that will this DmC reboot franchise will surpass over the original Devil May Cry? Will this DmC reboot franchise will go as far as what the previous DMC games had went through? I really hope that none of my words are offensive, but this is just what I feel.

I think these concerns apply to all DMC games. Each game is different than the last, and each one has its fans... there's no way any single game will satisfy all the fans.

To me, the combat from the demo has already surpassed DMC1,2 and 3 (I never used JC in DMC3). I beat DMC2 again yesterday... and I realized just how aggravating it is to dodge an attack, and have it barely hit you. Bloody palace ****ed me off the most, even when I was constantly dodging I was still getting hit. DMC1 also had this problem, but generally if you dodge left or right you'd be safe with most of the enemies.

So, for me... I'll be a huge fan of DmC. From the demo, I never felt that any enemies were cheap. Even though enemies can hit non-existent parts of your model, I still feel like I could get out of any situation with the dodge... and this is something I really like.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

A big part of me just wishes people would stop hating and wait until the game is out, play the whole way through, and then judge it as a whole. But instead, people have to get angry, have to make a 'why Dante is a terrible character' video without seeing all of the character, and then kicking a game in the backside that's not even been released. It's like saying you hate strawberries in your sundaes without tasting it, how do you know it's any good when you haven't tried it? And I don't meant in the sense of just the demo, the demo can only show you so much. It's only a chip of the iceberg.


True Devil May Cry fan? That's not the way a fan acts.

Demo is only the chip of the iceberg?

Isn't the demo what supposed to determine whether or not you buy the game?

If a Demo was only the tip of the iceberg, it wouldn't exist. The demo's SOLE purpose is to give the player an idea of how the game works, and help them determine whether or not they want to buy it. If a gamer is left unimpressed by EVERYTHING they've shown so far.

Then it's likely the gamer won't like the game. Or did that not occur to you?

 

[EllDawn]

Lmao. I've had said that before on the thread discussing sales. I just don't think it will be enough to warrant another game.
Especially when NT has had sales that equal Castlevania LoS but haven't followed it up. Maybe production values are higher than usual for their games (using actors, total motion capture and all that jazz).

It might. The main concern is what Capcom wants to do. If they've already planned on a sequel, I don't think sales will matter much. Isn't that what they've done in the past? And as far as getting NT to work on it, since NT will have funding from them, they might work on a sequel if asked.

I, personally, would rather not try predicting if there's going to be a sequel to either DMC or DmC. I know either one is possible, and what I'd like to see. I'll just wait and see.

 

[Alittleacorn]

Demo is only the chip of the iceberg?

Isn't the demo what supposed to determine whether or not you buy the game?

If a Demo was only the tip of the iceberg, it wouldn't exist. The demo's SOLE purpose is to give the player an idea of how the game works, and help them determine whether or not they want to buy it. If a gamer is left unimpressed by EVERYTHING they've shown so far.

Then it's likely the gamer won't like the game. Or did that not occur to you?

I meant judging and experience the game as a whole dummy XD we're not always going to be on missions where we pull out cameras from walls and have Dante says the same jokes over and over.

The demo is a teaser.

 

[Loopy]

I'd say if Capcom want to do more, they will.

As for asking NT to make the sequel....I'm not sure. I just hope they haven't run out of ideas and used up their creativity all on this game. It seems like they've got their A-game for this in terms of design and art direction and story, so I hope they would be able to do the same for a sequel and not be stale.

Hopefully this DmC will have an ending that can be continued from, perferably by NT. Otherwise what is the point hiring them only to give the game to another studio?

 

[EllDawn]

I'd say if Capcom want to do more, they will.

As for asking NT to make the sequel....I'm not sure. I just hope they haven't run out of ideas and used up their creativity all on this game. It seems like they've got their A-game for this in terms of design and art direction and story, so I hope they would be able to do the same for a sequel and not be stale.

Hopefully this DmC will have an ending that can be continued from, perferably by NT. Otherwise what is the point hiring them only to give the game to another studio?

Given enough time they could make a good story for a sequel. They were given plenty of time to work on this one. Chances are they'd do the same with a sequel, and then Capcom could work on a DMC 5.

If they've been told a sequel is in consideration, they should have given it an open ending.

 

[Zilla]

I have high hopes and huge expectations for DmC. I'm such a nerd that every time I imagine possible scenarios within the game I smile a little, because every character, every set piece and generally every little thing that's been revealed to Me is so damn cool and addicting.

I own every original copy of every DMC, including the Collector's tin of DMC 4 and the HD collection. I still recall the first time beating Mundus on DMD difficulty back in the PS2 days, and getting so excited I ran about the room like an idiot.

I love DMC.

But I can't deny this feeling, this infectious notion slowly eating away at My brain that DmC is going to blow the Classics out of the water.

 

[CheeseKao]

Demo is only the chip of the iceberg?

Isn't the demo what supposed to determine whether or not you buy the game?

If a Demo was only the tip of the iceberg, it wouldn't exist. The demo's SOLE purpose is to give the player an idea of how the game works, and help them determine whether or not they want to buy it. If a gamer is left unimpressed by EVERYTHING they've shown so far.

Then it's likely the gamer won't like the game. Or did that not occur to you?

Oho, you are sorely mistaken here. I have played plenty of demos that was pretty meh and have thoroughly enjoyed the full game. They almost always cut out the good parts from demos.

 

[Frazz]

Demo is only the chip of the iceberg?

Isn't the demo what supposed to determine whether or not you buy the game?

If a Demo was only the tip of the iceberg, it wouldn't exist. The demo's SOLE purpose is to give the player an idea of how the game works, and help them determine whether or not they want to buy it. If a gamer is left unimpressed by EVERYTHING they've shown so far.

Then it's likely the gamer won't like the game. Or did that not occur to you?

Oh sorry dude it seems I missed using ALL the moves from the game. It is the tip of the iceberg because there is more of everything and we only got a small portion as a taster.

 

[Lionheart]

It's has a lot of potential and I get the feeling I'll be playing it a lot and might even enjoy the story too...but, it will really hurt me if it doesn't do well, all because some fanboys out there hating like children, couldn't accept change and weren't prepared to act like adults when taking this game on, instead of only comparing it to the original series to no end.

True Devil May Cry fan? That's not the way a fan acts.

Well, of course people are going to compare it to the original series; that's only logical. But I just wish people would stop using the word 'hater' when referring to people who don't support DmC. Complaining about games should be accepted. If not, where would critics be? Most people have a valid reason to hate something, and calling them 'haters' is debasing them without reason. If the game doesn't do well, that's because the majority of gamers aren't happy with it - and they aren't happy with it because there's something wrong with it.
What you said (haters, can't accept change) is one of the things that puts those anti-DmC in a corner. Who says they can't accept change? Those are your words, not theirs.

Nobody says DMC has to change. Nobody asked for change, either. So why accept change when it's clear that that change is unwarranted? Honestly, there was nothing wrong with the old series. Besides, I can think of several ways to explain where Nero came from. I could also think of a plot that focuses on Sparda rebelling against Mundus. The fact that Capcom can't change a series without morphing it into something else (DmC) should be their problem, not ours.

I say, instead of creating a game that splits the fanbase apart, why not create a game we can all be content with?

 

[Alittleacorn]

What you said (haters, can't accept change) is one of the things that puts those anti-DmC in a corner. Who says they can't accept change? Those are your words, not theirs.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said hater. I said hating, not haters. And if people were able to accept change easy, why are there still those few people out there getting angry about it and behaving irrationally? Tell me that much, because really, I'm tired of the childish exchanges I keep hearing on YouTube. At least on here and Tumblr things are a lot nicer.

And it's only split because well...=( change is frightening.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

I sense this debate getting heated up.

Really I was honestly not as mad as I was disappointed.

I mean they make Ebony and Ivory look awesome as all hell. Yet they take away the awesome skull hilt from Rebellion.
Then of course Dante both looks and acts like someone from Jersey Shore.
I mean the fact that he smoked in the initial trailer (yes I'm going back), makes me wonder, if it weren't for these "Haters", would this even have been a DMC game at ALL or a Heavenly Sword 2!?

That is what disappointed me. But getting mad and sending death threats over a game, I must admit is extremely immature.

It also doesn't help that anyone who disagrees with someone else is a "Troll"

Look at Eventstatus and me, I was a huge fan of his, but just because I sent him a DMC video, he thought me to be trolling him, openly attacked me in one of his videos, and I haven't watched his videos since.

My only wish isn't that "The haters would try this game" or that "The supporters would stop being blind.", but that people wouldn't let an entire fanbase be split apart by a single game in the series that happens to be a reboot.

 

[Lionheart]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said hater. I said hating, not haters. And if people were able to accept change easy, why are there still those few people out there getting angry about it and behaving irrationally? Tell me that much, because really, I'm tired of the childish exchanges I keep hearing on YouTube. At least on here and Tumblr things are a lot nicer.

And it's only split because well...=( change is frightening.

Let's not split hairs. This is what you said: ''A big part of me just wishes people would stop hating and wait until the game is out, play the whole way through, and then judge it as a whole.'' You implied that the people who don't like the demo are haters.

Maybe I should rephrase what I said. Of course they don't accept change - why should they? Why do you feel that things should change constantly? Why did DMC have to change? I wonder if you truly have an answer to that question, aside from ''because the old DMC sucked''. Why did the old DMC suck? Seriously, I get that from a lot of people, but they never give the reason why DMC sucked. All they usually say is ''I didn't like Nero'' or ''Nero didn't make sense. Capcom should start over to fix all the plotholes''. Why? I can think of a reason for Nero's existence, yet Capcom can't? Come on.
That, or they say ''DMC was getting old''. Again, why? That's an opinion, not a fact. Metal Gear Solid hasn't gotten old even after four installments. Some people thought MGS4 was the best in the series. So what's the problem? Exactly, Capcom is. They can't think of anything exciting. To me, that means they've failed in doing what they do. Kojima Productions can do it, so why can't they?

I myself welcome change, but not this kind of change. This is change for the worse, in my opinion. I'm not going to give reasons why I think that, because I've made it very clear several times now in some threads.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Well, of course people are going to compare it to the original series; that's only logical. But I just wish people would stop using the word 'hater' when referring to people who don't support DmC. Complaining about games should be accepted. If not, where would critics be? Most people have a valid reason to hate something, and calling them 'haters' is debasing them without reason. If the game doesn't do well, that's because the majority of gamers aren't happy with it - and they aren't happy with it because there's something wrong with it.
What you said (haters, can't accept change) is one of the things that puts those anti-DmC in a corner. Who says they can't accept change? Those are your words, not theirs.

I can respect those people who are skeptic. But I can't respect the fans who yell at me for liking DmC, and call me a sheep or not a true fan of DMC anymore like it's a religion. I also can't respect the illogical reasons as to who people don't like DmC like him having black hair or his eyes aren't blue enough. (Yeah, someone complains about that.) There's nothing wrong with DmC. It's not cancer that's to be hated by all.

Nobody says DMC has to change. Nobody asked for change, either. So why accept change when it's clear that that change is unwarranted? Honestly, there was nothing wrong with the old series. Besides, I can think of several ways to explain where Nero came from. I could also think of a plot that focuses on Sparda rebelling against Mundus. The fact that Capcom can't change a series without morphing it into something else (DmC) should be their problem, not ours.

There wasn't anything wrong with DMC. Just too much plotholes that couldn't be fixed with one game, and too much confusion that a game couldn't even fix without looking like a cheap shot. DMC could have been saved if they decided to try and put their heads together and actually TRY to fix them, but Capcom isn't smart. I'd say a reboot was a pretty risky choice, but for me, it looks like it could work. I still expect Capcom to fix their messes and fix the old series.

I say, instead of creating a game that splits the fanbase apart, why not create a game we can all be content with?

That's impossible. There's no such thing as "A DMC that everyone will like" because different people are in to different things. Some people may like DMC4's gameplay, but I don't like the Dante in there. Some people like the way DMC2 looks, but not the gameplay. Some like the way DmC plays, but not the way he looks. What one group of fans like, another group could loathe entirely. Best example is DmC.

 

[Lionheart]

That's impossible. There's no such thing as "A DMC that everyone will like" because different people are in to different things. Some people may like DMC4's gameplay, but I don't like the Dante in there. Some people like the way DMC2 looks, but not the gameplay. Some like the way DmC plays, but not the way he looks. What one group of fans like, another group could loathe entirely. Best example is DmC.

I'm not saying everyone has to love DMC, but it is possible to create one that most people will feel fairly good about. With this game, I just feel that you either love it or hate it. With the old DMC, I got the sense that people could really love it, and others would be indifferent about it - usually because they didn't like the anime style much. No great hate or anything.

I think you shouldn't change a game series after it's been established to be a good series. In my opinion, that's really low. Either we get DMC as it was intended, or we don't get DMC at all. And that's okay. The DMC series doesn't have to survive. It doesn't have to be rebooted simply because people want a new DMC game.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I'm not saying everyone has to love DMC, but it is possible to create one that most people will feel fairly good about. With this game, I just feel that you either love it or hate it. With the old DMC, I got the sense that people could really love it, and others would be indifferent about it - usually because they didn't like the anime style much. No great hate or anything.

I have only one thing to say to that;

DMC2.

And trust me, There was great hate from me for DMC4, but that's a personal thing.

 

[Lionheart]

I have only one thing to say to that;

DMC2.

And trust me, There was great hate from me for DMC4, but that's a personal thing.

I've played DMC2 only partially, but to me, it doesn't seem too terrible. Sure, the combat seems to suck, but does that mean everyone hates it? No. People don't automatically hate games that are worse than their predecessors. I've actually talked to people who quite liked DMC2. I can't say I understand why, but there you go.

 

[Alittleacorn]

Let's not split hairs. This is what you said: ''A big part of me just wishes people would stop hating and wait until the game is out, play the whole way through, and then judge it as a whole.'' You implied that the people who don't like the demo are haters.

Maybe I should rephrase what I said. Of course they don't accept change - why should they? Why do you feel that things should change constantly? Why did DMC have to change? I wonder if you truly have an answer to that question, aside from ''because the old DMC sucked''. Why did the old DMC suck? Seriously, I get that from a lot of people, but they never give the reason why DMC sucked. All they usually say is ''I didn't like Nero'' or ''Nero didn't make sense. Capcom should start over to fix all the plotholes''. Why? I can think of a reason for Nero's existence, yet Capcom can't? Come on.
That, or they say ''DMC was getting old''. Again, why? That's an opinion, not a fact. Metal Gear Solid hasn't gotten old even after four installments. Some people thought MGS4 was the best in the series. So what's the problem? Exactly, Capcom is. They can't think of anything exciting. To me, that means they've failed in doing what they do. Kojima Productions can do it, so why can't they?

I myself welcome change, but not this kind of change. This is change for the worse, in my opinion. I'm not going to give reasons why I think that, because I've made it very clear several times now in some threads.

Yes, hating, but I didn't call them a hater. There's a difference. They're people getting angry and spilling rage on a game, that's called hating. Calling someone a hater is thereby giving them a title, rather than referring to them by name. ;_; so really, don't put words in my mouth, please.

And the answer I guess...why not? And the originals don't suck. When I look back at them I think maybe they could've managed another sequel, maybe a prequel, but by then I think they would've ran out of ideas or drops futher in quality until they wouldn't have been as fun anymore. Sometimes you just have to stop, because you can reach a point when there's a sequel too many and there's nothing left to offer. Think of films that have done this, tv series or even games. Tomb Raider was on these same tracks, if they hadnt rebooted, I don't know where Tomb Raider would've ended up. It needed changed, and so did DMC. Maybe it got it a little easier than needed, but it's here now and I think from what I've seen it's the right way to go with it. It's not going for a full fleshed out remake, it's doing something new with it like Tomb Raider is.

Where as people have said Dante looks emo, when was the last time you really heard people take focus of Lara and say 'that's not Lara, she's a trembling wreck'. Then again I haven't paid much attention on the Tomb Raider front, do they? o.o

I sense this debate getting heated up.

Lol! I'm sorry that gif made me crack up XD you wouldn't be trying to break the ice with humor, would you Random?

Really I was honestly not as mad as I was disappointed.

I mean they make Ebony and Ivory look awesome as all hell. Yet they take away the awesome skull hilt from Rebellion.
Then of course Dante both looks and acts like someone from Jersey Shore.
I mean the fact that he smoked in the initial trailer (yes I'm going back), makes me wonder, if it weren't for these "Haters", would this even have been a DMC game at ALL or a Heavenly Sword 2!?

That is what disappointed me. But getting mad and sending death threats over a game, I must admit is extremely immature.

It also doesn't help that anyone who disagrees with someone else is a "Troll"

Look at Eventstatus and me, I was a huge fan of his, but just because I sent him a DMC video, he thought me to be trolling him, openly attacked me in one of his videos, and I haven't watched his videos since.

My only wish isn't that "The haters would try this game" or that "The supporters would stop being blind.", but that people wouldn't let an entire fanbase be split apart by a single game in the series that happens to be a reboot.

Wasn't it hinted in a art piece the Rebellion might change in appearance by the end of the game?

And agreeing, I want to ducktape the fanbase back together. :'(

...er....who is Eventstatus? o.o

 

[8BitHero]

Demo is only the chip of the iceberg?

Isn't the demo what supposed to determine whether or not you buy the game?

If a Demo was only the tip of the iceberg, it wouldn't exist. The demo's SOLE purpose is to give the player an idea of how the game works, and help them determine whether or not they want to buy it. If a gamer is left unimpressed by EVERYTHING they've shown so far.

Then it's likely the gamer won't like the game. Or did that not occur to you?

The problem is that most dumb gamers went into that purposefully not giving it chance. They wanted to make it look it bad without giving it a try.

Instead of them having a ballsack and saying "they don't like the way Dantes look has changed", they nit pick about everything else and over exaggerate what the small problems are. All the haters already had their mind set on hating this giving and then downloading the demo to further their points/being biased.

"Blah blah blah this game has glitches" > doesn't acknowledge every other game series that has glitch
"Blah blah blah this game has bad combat" > doesn't know about combo videos and ever look at combat guide. Has no idea what the terminology is
"Blah blah blah this game has bad music" > Never Surrender being repeated was good?
"Blah blah blah this game has swearing" > resorts to calling the game a "piece of effin' shi-" (Irony)/isn't mature enough to handle swearing in an 18 AND plays plenty of games with swearing in (Even DMC4)
And so...and so on.

The game is good. Only people I listen to who don't like the game is in the fair criticisms thread. Those who know what they're talking about and don't make BS biased statements.