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Re: Why should Vergil NOT come back?
well i thouggh...they never even focused on Vergil's story... so it was like playing as dante, with extra costumes, except only with one style and different weapons
well i thouggh...they never even focused on Vergil's story... so it was like playing as dante, with extra costumes, except only with one style and different weapons
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i think the point he's trying to make is that this thread was not made for that type of comments. the goal seems to be to find a reason that has not been said and can't be avoided if Vergil is brought back right.
fictional characters deaths don't count until the series is over. he is dead right now but that doesn't mean he has to stay dead. this thread is based on the assumption that he can be brought back in an interesting way.
while i can't think of a good way to bring him back i also can't think of a reason not to bring him back other than the lack of storytelling ability of the people currently working on dmc. so if those people are replaced with some more imaginative individuals than Vergil can be brought back with no problem.
meg127;266638 said:Are you kidding?
Well Mr. Moses, here's the thing. We have told you our reasons to why Vergil shouldn't come back. Its not our fault that they aren't good enough for you. You want reasons to why it isn't possible for him to come back yet saying "he's dead" isn't good enough. In my mind that's tautological and contradictory. What better logical reason to why someone can't come back than the person died. Soooo
i think the point he's trying to make is that this thread was not made for that type of comments. the goal seems to be to find a reason that has not been said and can't be avoided if Vergil is brought back right.
fictional characters deaths don't count until the series is over. he is dead right now but that doesn't mean he has to stay dead. this thread is based on the assumption that he can be brought back in an interesting way.
while i can't think of a good way to bring him back i also can't think of a reason not to bring him back other than the lack of storytelling ability of the people currently working on dmc. so if those people are replaced with some more imaginative individuals than Vergil can be brought back with no problem.
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@ Meg - Ah, ok - that would make more sense. Because I got the impression that Vergil was chucked in to extend playability and nothing more in DMC3.
Mind you, I can only go on what I have gleaned from the games. The books/comics/tv shows/lunch boxes/action figures/whatever are outside of my (limited) knowledge base.
@ Meg - Ah, ok - that would make more sense. Because I got the impression that Vergil was chucked in to extend playability and nothing more in DMC3.
Mind you, I can only go on what I have gleaned from the games. The books/comics/tv shows/lunch boxes/action figures/whatever are outside of my (limited) knowledge base.
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what does he want? moonbeams and lollipops?
Vergil is dead. Meg is right bringing him back would hold up the series....
Basically, they've ruined Dante's character (apparently). Whats not gonna stop Capcom to do the same to Vergil
what does he want? moonbeams and lollipops?
Vergil is dead. Meg is right bringing him back would hold up the series....
Basically, they've ruined Dante's character (apparently). Whats not gonna stop Capcom to do the same to Vergil
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You always find a way to cheer up a thread. :lol:
Anyway, I think the problem here is more that *insert unnecessary babbling* and also that I'm torn between Vergil coming back or not. I don't think he should, but at the same time I have a theory that a piece of him is inside of Yamato. I guess what I'm saying is that we need to clarify what "coming back" means. Like as the way he was in 3, as Nelo Angelo, as a spirit type thing, or something else.
@darkslayer- How about we just say everyone who posted so far is both right and wrong and start over? :lol:
Angel;266647 said:
You always find a way to cheer up a thread. :lol:
Anyway, I think the problem here is more that *insert unnecessary babbling* and also that I'm torn between Vergil coming back or not. I don't think he should, but at the same time I have a theory that a piece of him is inside of Yamato. I guess what I'm saying is that we need to clarify what "coming back" means. Like as the way he was in 3, as Nelo Angelo, as a spirit type thing, or something else.
@darkslayer- How about we just say everyone who posted so far is both right and wrong and start over? :lol:
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Re: Why should Vergil NOT come back?
Both are one and the same thing thats like me saying
Why SHOULD he come back and DON'T say "because he is a son of Sparda" or "because of Yamato" or "we never saw him die"
Yes you could think of other reasons but they are now going to look pathetic in comparison to the obvious reasons.
I don't want Vergil back because I believe he was never meant to come back and that the only reason it's even on the cards is because fans are so obsessed with him they refuse to even comprehend the idea of him being no more. Like a spoilt child who refuses to share, a narrow minded view on the situation perhaps but the obvious has been banned by the thread auther.
And to the bonus question: He shouldn't have been in 2 or 4, imo he hasn't floated my boat since 1.
moseslmpg;266586 said:
Both are one and the same thing thats like me saying
Why SHOULD he come back and DON'T say "because he is a son of Sparda" or "because of Yamato" or "we never saw him die"
Yes you could think of other reasons but they are now going to look pathetic in comparison to the obvious reasons.
I don't want Vergil back because I believe he was never meant to come back and that the only reason it's even on the cards is because fans are so obsessed with him they refuse to even comprehend the idea of him being no more. Like a spoilt child who refuses to share, a narrow minded view on the situation perhaps but the obvious has been banned by the thread auther.
And to the bonus question: He shouldn't have been in 2 or 4, imo he hasn't floated my boat since 1.
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Ok, humour me here. When the first game was made, was it within the context of making a franchise or a first "see how it goes then we'll talk" kind of thing? I know it initially began as a resident evil game, so is it possible this was going to be a one-time only game unless popular enough to make another one?
Ok, humour me here. When the first game was made, was it within the context of making a franchise or a first "see how it goes then we'll talk" kind of thing? I know it initially began as a resident evil game, so is it possible this was going to be a one-time only game unless popular enough to make another one?
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I heard that it was meant to be a one game only deal. But because it was more successful than what Capcom had imagined, they turned it into a franchise. They were apparantly going to drop Dante, but never did.
Vergil's Story has been told. There really is no need to bring him back.
I heard that it was meant to be a one game only deal. But because it was more successful than what Capcom had imagined, they turned it into a franchise. They were apparantly going to drop Dante, but never did.
Vergil's Story has been told. There really is no need to bring him back.
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Then I would propose that there was no intention of making Vergil a character with a future in the games, per se. I would instead theorise that Capcom threw Vergil into DMC3 to make it a bit more interesting and DMC4 had to appeal to cross-platform gamers for financial reasons more than anything else. Also that hints regarding Vergil/Nero/Yamato/chicken nuggets were interspersed throughout so that new fans would be encouraged to take a look at the older games.
*shrug* that's the business side of me talking though - maximise on your profits by "sort of not really" giving the fans something to hope for.
Then I would propose that there was no intention of making Vergil a character with a future in the games, per se. I would instead theorise that Capcom threw Vergil into DMC3 to make it a bit more interesting and DMC4 had to appeal to cross-platform gamers for financial reasons more than anything else. Also that hints regarding Vergil/Nero/Yamato/chicken nuggets were interspersed throughout so that new fans would be encouraged to take a look at the older games.
*shrug* that's the business side of me talking though - maximise on your profits by "sort of not really" giving the fans something to hope for.
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My personal opinion is the Vergil can't come back due to his soul being locked in Yamato. I'd also like to bring up that, if you DT as Nero in DMC4, Vergil's voice will echo his on occasion, which leads me to believe that big spectral thing IS in fact Vergil floating around behind Nero. So what if it doesn't look like Vergil? Some kind of force from Nero could possible be altering his appearance.
It's really JUST a theory at heart, but that's what I'm going with.
Mundus broke Vergil when he enslaved him, which is why I believe Yamato is snapped in two pieces. And then when Dante finally finished Vergil off in DMC1, well, his soul (like most every demon that dies in DMC) transfered to his Devil Arm.
When Nero came along and revived Yamato, he took Vergil's essence...basically consumed what was left of Vergil.
That's my reason as to why Vergil can't come back anymore. Vergil is LITERALLY part of Nero.
You don't like it, that's fine.
EDIT: Don't blame me. I got ninja'd
My personal opinion is the Vergil can't come back due to his soul being locked in Yamato. I'd also like to bring up that, if you DT as Nero in DMC4, Vergil's voice will echo his on occasion, which leads me to believe that big spectral thing IS in fact Vergil floating around behind Nero. So what if it doesn't look like Vergil? Some kind of force from Nero could possible be altering his appearance.
It's really JUST a theory at heart, but that's what I'm going with.
Mundus broke Vergil when he enslaved him, which is why I believe Yamato is snapped in two pieces. And then when Dante finally finished Vergil off in DMC1, well, his soul (like most every demon that dies in DMC) transfered to his Devil Arm.
When Nero came along and revived Yamato, he took Vergil's essence...basically consumed what was left of Vergil.
That's my reason as to why Vergil can't come back anymore. Vergil is LITERALLY part of Nero.
You don't like it, that's fine.
EDIT: Don't blame me. I got ninja'd
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^^ It's a formula that has been done over and over again by gaming companies. The first one is to test the water. If it works, excellent. We'll make another one and gloss over some things, see how it goes. If the fans rage/rave, we'll make another one and chuck a few bits from the first one in order to promote a sense of loyalty, nostalgia and belonging to the franchise.
Then we'll wait a few years, keep teasing, keep interest going and work out how to maximise our profits before releasing a "new direction" which either sinks or swims.
^^ It's a formula that has been done over and over again by gaming companies. The first one is to test the water. If it works, excellent. We'll make another one and gloss over some things, see how it goes. If the fans rage/rave, we'll make another one and chuck a few bits from the first one in order to promote a sense of loyalty, nostalgia and belonging to the franchise.
Then we'll wait a few years, keep teasing, keep interest going and work out how to maximise our profits before releasing a "new direction" which either sinks or swims.
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@ Blue Devil-That's EXACTLY what I think
And as far as it not looking like Vergil; each game the characters get a redesign so there. Also, do you have a clip of Vergil's voice since I don't remember that.
@Angel- You're probably exactly right. Sadly.
@ Blue Devil-That's EXACTLY what I think
And as far as it not looking like Vergil; each game the characters get a redesign so there. Also, do you have a clip of Vergil's voice since I don't remember that.@Angel- You're probably exactly right. Sadly.
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^@ Meg: No, sadly I don't have the clip, but do one of the moves where Nero either combines Red Queen and Yamato, or Nero uses the Yamato Combo where he unleashes a ton of devastating slashes, and turn up the volume, then you ought to Vergil (or so I believe you should...I'm pretty sure I did)
^@ Meg: No, sadly I don't have the clip, but do one of the moves where Nero either combines Red Queen and Yamato, or Nero uses the Yamato Combo where he unleashes a ton of devastating slashes, and turn up the volume, then you ought to Vergil (or so I believe you should...I'm pretty sure I did)
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There isn't any almighty reason why Vergil should not come back that I can see. Most reasons I can think of appear to be personal preferences, including people disliking him, worrying about CAPCOM's handling of him/his character, the idea that Dante killed him at the end of DMC1, dislike of retconning or changes, concern of overuse, wondering how he will fit with other characters, etc.
The fact is, CAPCOM can do whatever they want with him, just like they did in DMC3. If CAPCOM made him dead they can make him undead; if they want to make him Nero's father, they can work around that; If they want to change his personality (like they pretty much did between DMC1 and DMC3, because he didn't exactly have a personality in the first game) they will. They can do anything. We're just basing our assumptions and opinions on what we know from before but they could bring something out that blows us all completely out of the water. I personally thought DMC3's Vergil did that with DMC1's Vergil, and I'm glad they did. He turned out to be much better than I expected, despite me scoffing at the time at what they would do with Nelo Angelo's origins while I was waiting for DMC3 to come out. I was really expecting their efforts to blow, after DMC2... but whaddayaknow - they surprised me; so I know they can do it when they try, and come up with a good story and work around and above expectations.
There isn't any almighty reason why Vergil should not come back that I can see. Most reasons I can think of appear to be personal preferences, including people disliking him, worrying about CAPCOM's handling of him/his character, the idea that Dante killed him at the end of DMC1, dislike of retconning or changes, concern of overuse, wondering how he will fit with other characters, etc.
The fact is, CAPCOM can do whatever they want with him, just like they did in DMC3. If CAPCOM made him dead they can make him undead; if they want to make him Nero's father, they can work around that; If they want to change his personality (like they pretty much did between DMC1 and DMC3, because he didn't exactly have a personality in the first game) they will. They can do anything. We're just basing our assumptions and opinions on what we know from before but they could bring something out that blows us all completely out of the water. I personally thought DMC3's Vergil did that with DMC1's Vergil, and I'm glad they did. He turned out to be much better than I expected, despite me scoffing at the time at what they would do with Nelo Angelo's origins while I was waiting for DMC3 to come out. I was really expecting their efforts to blow, after DMC2... but whaddayaknow - they surprised me; so I know they can do it when they try, and come up with a good story and work around and above expectations.
Re: Why should Vergil NOT come back?
Can't doesn't apply in fiction. and it was specifically stated in the first post in this thread that it's not about why he can't come back but about why he shouldn't. so saying Vergil can't come back is off topic.
BlueDevil;266662 said:
Can't doesn't apply in fiction. and it was specifically stated in the first post in this thread that it's not about why he can't come back but about why he shouldn't. so saying Vergil can't come back is off topic.
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