Out of all the complain I heard about DmC Dante, this is the one of the many that is not justified. People say that he angst a lot but I play the game so many time and havent seen anything that would cause someone to thing that. So why?
Why do people called DmC Dante whinny?
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Sometimes a certain look makes us see overly exaggerated traits.
Because they clearly don't remember DMC1, where Dante was shrieking like a dying pterodactyl over Trish's body in the most whiney, cringe-inducing anime melodrama since Neon Genesis Evangelion.
You're asking this question like you don't understand the standard behavior of a fandom. When a fandom is hellbent on disliking something, you better be sure they'll squeeze every small ounce of hate material that they can get, uncaring of how delusional they get along the way.
People didn't like DmC from its reveal so they went in with a negative bias and that led them to nitpick everything and misconstrue it.
And/or fans tend to look at things from the perspective of a judgemental outsider versus trying to get involved in a story and see it as it unfolds.
And/or fans tend to look at things from the perspective of a judgemental outsider versus trying to get involved in a story and see it as it unfolds.
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What if I told you that I didn't really understand it? Or least didn't want to to?
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I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with the sky that is so clear and blue, which is always over everyone's head because like the sky, my heart is becoming clear.
Whiny? Really? I mean, I can understand if they don't like the new look or personality (Not saying I agree, just I understand, there's a difference) But whiny? Yeah that one I don't get.
I mean, I get it when people call Nero whiny (even though I think they blow it out of proportion). But I don't get the basis for this.
I mean, I get it when people call Nero whiny (even though I think they blow it out of proportion). But I don't get the basis for this.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
It's because he's the new look that no one wanted or liked. And when people see something they don't like, they make up any excuse in the book to dislike it more then it should be.
"Whinny"? I didn't realise that Dante was a horse. :tongue:
But in all seriousness, I guess it was because at the beginning of the game, DmC Dante wasn't as willing to throw himself into danger like his Classic counterpart. I too think such complaints were overblown and have since died down.
But in all seriousness, I guess it was because at the beginning of the game, DmC Dante wasn't as willing to throw himself into danger like his Classic counterpart. I too think such complaints were overblown and have since died down.
@Izzy for all we know Sparda or Eva could be horselike in their actual forms
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@AgentRedgrave TGS10 Dante was called "Emo Dante" so that idea persisted.
@Solar the rabbit no point denying that it exists.
.@AgentRedgrave TGS10 Dante was called "Emo Dante" so that idea persisted.
@Solar the rabbit no point denying that it exists.
Because DmC Dante is like this
whereas Dante we know and love is like
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135592/4446451-3959098548-vJ8pO.gif
Also, DmC Dante relied a lot more on others to get the job done. He needed Kat to guide him through Limbo. He had to follow through with Vergil's plans. It's like he was a puppet on everybody's strings. I'm not saying that other Dante doesn't rely on Trish to make a plan work, but he's a lot more vocal about working on his own (or being the one in charge). Remember when Trish asked if he'd like some company? He basically said no.
DmC Dante turns to Kat in the end for guidance and reassurance because he 'almost' killed his brother.
Other Dante probably would have chop-suey Vergil if he hadn't decided to go to hell, but he didn't go running to Lady for clarity or hugs either.
whereas Dante we know and love is like
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135592/4446451-3959098548-vJ8pO.gif
Also, DmC Dante relied a lot more on others to get the job done. He needed Kat to guide him through Limbo. He had to follow through with Vergil's plans. It's like he was a puppet on everybody's strings. I'm not saying that other Dante doesn't rely on Trish to make a plan work, but he's a lot more vocal about working on his own (or being the one in charge). Remember when Trish asked if he'd like some company? He basically said no.
DmC Dante turns to Kat in the end for guidance and reassurance because he 'almost' killed his brother.
Other Dante probably would have chop-suey Vergil if he hadn't decided to go to hell, but he didn't go running to Lady for clarity or hugs either.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135592/4446451-3959098548-vJ8pO.gifBecause DmC Dante is like this
whereas Dante we know and love is like
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135592/4446451-3959098548-vJ8pO.gif
I fail to see how any of that contributes to him being whiny. Keep in mind, the first picture is from an incident in Dante's adolescence where he was stabbed in a street fight, and was first accommodating to his Nephilim anatomy, through some extremely painful means. That just shows that he has the ability to feel pain.
With the Old Dante, there's almost no way of knowing how his nervous system or ability to feel pain works. Some scenes, he gets impaled and just walks it off....others, he screams in pain, like in numerous instances in DMC1.
I think it's down to one team of writers having some grasp of consistency, and one team completely disregarding it. Neither example showcases any whiny aspects of a character...unless vocally expressing physical trauma is now the mark of a whiny character. I don't think most of us would argue that Guts from Berserk, is a whiny little fart just because of all the howling and screaming in response to pain that he does, instead of simply walking off the pain off as inhumanly and superficially as Dante does.
Isn't that just him being depicted as young and inexperienced? If anything, he'd be the world's biggest Gary Stu if he didn't depend on other people in SOME regard. That doesn't make him a puppet, that's just him leaving planning and strategy--two skill sets that neither he nor Old Dante have ever shown proficiency in--to people more capable of doing both. How is any of that whiny? I don't see your point at all.
He wasn't assuming charge or the lead role in this scene whatsoever. That entire scene was just Dante and Trish bickering about what parts of the job each wanted to do---closing the Hellgates, or rounding up civilians. Trish picks the easier job, and gives the harder one to Dante, knowing full well he's not going to argue with her.
Still don't see how any of this is relevant to either character being whiny.
...you mean like how he ends up crying in front of Lady only moments later? And no, he wouldn't have chopped Vergil in half...he likely would've spared him, which was the whole reason he reached out for him when Vergil opted to let himself fall into Hell's coils at the end of the battle. Did you and I even play the same game?
Also, DmC Dante getting shaken up after fighting Vergil isn't down to him almost killing him, it's losing control and nearly sinking into the clutches of his demonic nature. He starts losing himself to the sadism and pleasure of slowly killing Vergil until Kat stops him. It's not that he's killing Vergil...it's how. If that's something he didn't question or get conflicted about, it would defeat the whole point of him being the one of Sparda's sons who's still human enough to form moral parameters, the one thing Vergil is shown to be incapable of doing, and the entire game was written to establish. I'm sorry, but how is that in any way whiny? What, contemplating the lengths one goes before going too far in combat is whiny, now? For Christ's sake, Batman has that conflict literally every five minutes.
Not a single thing you brought up constitutes as whiny in the slightest, or even comes within an inch of the single whiniest moment in the history of the franchise....that being the sound barrier being shattered by the ear-splitting crack of Dante's voice as he weeps crocodile tears over a demon he literally met a few hours prior to the game's start, just because "she looks like Mommy."
That is the condensed essence of cringey anime whining that has reared its ugly head in countless, ungodly moments in gaming. And DmC, for all of its narrative faults, has never once come close to making its characters that revoltingly-melodramatic.
I don't think he was whiny at all.
Maybe a little angsty, annoying, and definitely liked to cry a lot.
I'm joking.
Maybe a little angsty, annoying, and definitely liked to cry a lot.
I'm joking.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
Because DmC Dante is like this
whereas Dante we know and love is like
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135592/4446451-3959098548-vJ8pO.gif
Also, DmC Dante relied a lot more on others to get the job done. He needed Kat to guide him through Limbo. He had to follow through with Vergil's plans. It's like he was a puppet on everybody's strings. I'm not saying that other Dante doesn't rely on Trish to make a plan work, but he's a lot more vocal about working on his own (or being the one in charge). Remember when Trish asked if he'd like some company? He basically said no.
DmC Dante turns to Kat in the end for guidance and reassurance because he 'almost' killed his brother.
Other Dante probably would have chop-suey Vergil if he hadn't decided to go to hell, but he didn't go running to Lady for clarity or hugs either.
And THIS is what I meant from my last post;
It's true. Batman can go from this;
to this
In a matter of seconds
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I think he is more expressive as a character than classic Dante feels like he would be normally.
Since he talks more honestly about how he feels than classic Dante does you can see him as more angsty....
DMC3 has a more subtle admission of love between than DmC does.
Dante sheds a tear at the end and has a roundabout talk with lady about it.
Its mostly what @DragonMaster2010 said but i just wanted to imply a story reason for it.
Since he talks more honestly about how he feels than classic Dante does you can see him as more angsty....
DMC3 has a more subtle admission of love between than DmC does.
Dante sheds a tear at the end and has a roundabout talk with lady about it.
Its mostly what @DragonMaster2010 said but i just wanted to imply a story reason for it.
It's true. Batman can go from this;
to this
In a matter of seconds
Wow.
So glad I'm not that guy. What a wimp!..
...What?!
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
Because he had legitimate development and compelling elements to his character. m!Dante is literally everything that his classic counterpart was, but with way more development because...well...that was their focus in DmC, to make a character that wasn't just like...a caricature.
@WolfOD64 I had this massive reply written out but then the internet went stupid. Urg. Sorry.
In short, what it comes down to is that DmCDante isn't whiny, as such (that was my bad, actually, as I took the term used in the OP but meant something else).
Nero is whiny. Not in the pain department but he did a lot of crying out to Kyrie. Which is an okay kind of whiny, I guess.
No what I meant by DmCDante being whiny is that he is a weak character. Not whiny, just weak. I'd go more into this but that would mean derailing the thread.
+I also never insinuated that Dante is whiny. Unless whining about people and doing work counts.
In short, what it comes down to is that DmCDante isn't whiny, as such (that was my bad, actually, as I took the term used in the OP but meant something else).
Nero is whiny. Not in the pain department but he did a lot of crying out to Kyrie. Which is an okay kind of whiny, I guess.
No what I meant by DmCDante being whiny is that he is a weak character. Not whiny, just weak. I'd go more into this but that would mean derailing the thread.
+I also never insinuated that Dante is whiny. Unless whining about people and doing work counts.
Understood. Just for clarification, I and all of my posts on this thread are operating under the assumption that the term "whiny" is being used by OP to describe a character who is unnecessarily emotional or melodramatic. Maybe this is where we came to a misunderstanding.
I'll give you that. Nero replaced Dante as my favorite character from the original series (mostly because he strode a lot closer to hitting the same character beats as Dante from DMC1 than DMC4 Dante did himself), but I'll be the first to admit that he turned screaming "KYRIE!" into an undesirable art form. Now, his reason for such emotional displays is 100% justifiable...unlike half of Dante's...but the manner in which he does them can definitely be seen as whiny and grating.
Weak in terms fighting prowess, or strength as a well-written character? Because both of those are highly up to debate, and as you've stated, aren't really keeping with this thread's original topic.
Indeed you didn't...I did, merely to show that the Original Dante was just as capable, if not more capable, of showcasing unbearable whiny characteristics, and that a lot of the examples you were using weren't exactly sound evidence to counter that...
...but now that you've established that you were arguing for a different definition of "whiny" altogether, I really don't know how to interpret those posts anymore.