The shooter went through MULTIPLE background checks. He bought his guns LEGALLY.I usually don't like to get political in my post, but I'm sick of this stupid freaking argument.
For the last time, some people need to stop saying, "they're trying to take away muh guns". No, no one is trying to do that. I just seriously think that maybe something should be done so that it isn't so ****ing easy for anyone to get one.
Which is why I'll say straight up I'm not against personal gun ownership. In a free society, the fact that the arguments for needing something are brain dead does not mean people shouldn't want or own something. Nobody needs a PS4, but I want one. And I like living in a society where I can have one, albeit very theoretically.
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The problem I have with firearm absolutism as espoused by the NRA is that there is no room for common sense. In a place like Germany for example you can get a semiautomatic assault rifle, but you have to get a license, the mother of all background checks, and prove responsible ownership by submitting to random visits. If you don't keep your rifle and guns in separate safes for example, license and guns gone.
Will requiring a license stop all gun violence? Of course not, but that's a ridiculous standard that only NRA ammosexuals would apply to the real world without exploding of shame. But look at the murder rates in Germany compared to the U.S. Think about how many drunken fights didn't escalate in to five funerals because common sense dictates taking a gun in to a bar isn't freedom, but beastly lunacy.
I've yet to see any sensible argument against gun CONTROL. I can understand being against an outright ban on all weapons, but against gun control is insane.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sho...-shooter-omar-mateen-passed-background-check/
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl-gun-shop-owner-orlando-shooting-story.html
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Mateen was also a homosexual registered democrat.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/14/omar-mateen-was-a-registered-democrat-but/
In other words, we have a solid fact — Mateen was a registered Democrat — but it makes LaCapria and a lot of other people uncomfortable. So that fact becomes a “Mixture” of true and false. Just because Mateen was a Democrat doesn’t necessarily mean he was a Democrat-Democrat.
You see, being a Democrat makes you a good person. How could a Democrat do something so awful? Well then, he probably wasn’t really a Democrat, even though he was definitely a Democrat.
And that’s how you “think” like a Democrat.
We’re also learning that Mateen was a regular at that same gay nightclub for years, and he used a gay dating app. So, he was a gay Muslim Democrat. He hit the trifecta of victimhood. That means it has to be the gun’s fault, and the NRA’s fault, and the GOP’s fault, and Christians’ fault, and white people’s fault.
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It’s everybody’s fault but the gay Muslim Democrat who pulled the trigger.
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If you’re gay and you think the Democrats give a damn about you, you’re wrong. They’re glad to ruin a baker’s life for refusing to make you a wedding cake, but when a Muslim terrorist comes after you for being who you are, you’re on your own.
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Did you not watch the nra video? LaPierre said that gun violence could stop tomorrow, but politicians don't enforce the law on gangsters and suspected terrorists.
They only harass the law-abiding citizens who went through those background checks in the first place (at traffic stops and home invasion 911 calls).
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No room for common sense? Again, you demonstrate your own ignorance with your feeble dismissal.
Germany?? You're citing Germany as a so-called "free state" where people have to pass multiple background checks in order to get a firearm?
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The reason so much violence is happening over there is because people aren't able to defend themselves.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/migrant-mess-scared-germans-want-guns-allowed-signal-pistols/
Terrified Germans are looking for firearms for protection against incoming migrants, but the law requires them to jump through bureaucrat hoops just to obtain gas cartridge guns or signal pistols.
How is there no 'common sense' in wanting to defend yourself against criminals?
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You also didn't explain how terrorists were able to get guns in France in the first place.
"Among the toughest gun laws in the world."
They'll just buy them on the black market. What is it about this that isn't getting through to you?
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That's proof right there that excessive gun laws don't work.
Japan:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...kuza-organized-crime-gangs-violence/74338418/
"A 43-year-old man was gunned down in the parking lot of a hot springs resort in western Japan"
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Hong Kong:
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Ex-Triad-Says-Sleeping-Dogs-Violent-Real-Life-Hong-Kong-45722.html
My first time in Hong Kong I was in an area called Sheung Wan," Thrall explains. "While I was in the street, a gun and grenade battle broke out between a triad group who had attacked a very upmarket jewellery shop.
“It had all gone a bit Pete Tong and this gang had ended up chucking grenades down a main street in Hong Kong.”
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http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/02/02/asias-most-notorious-gangs/
Chinese gangs, known as triads, are best known for arms and drug smuggling, counterfeiting, credit card fraud, loansharking, cyber crime...
Recently, authorities in China are cracking down on the triads, forcing them to go further underground with their activities.
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"Ammosexuals"? It's very easy for you to insult other people you don't agree with, isn't it?
Personally, I think this is very offensive.
Of course, most are going to take your side because they agree with you, and not because they're going to look at this objectively, despite my numerous sources stating for a fact that they simply don't work and people are going to get shot, regardless of what laws are in place.
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I know you said "no amount of gun laws will COMPLETELY stop gun murders" but let's look at states with weak gun laws and high gun ownership.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ip-dont-have-more-gun-murders/article/2573353
But then, look more carefully at what the chart says — "gun deaths." Not all of those deaths are "violence." This is a bait and switch.
That looks a lot like a shotgun blast, because at least in 2014, the statistical case that high state gun ownership translates to more gun homicides was non-existent. This is what happens when you just look at the relevant numbers instead of cherrypicking whatever numbers tell the story you want.
And in fact, when you just look at last year's gun homicide rate by state (calculated from FBI and Census data), you see that many of the states that they claim have low "gun death" rates actually have comparatively high rates of gun murders.
New Jersey, for example, had a much higher gun murder rate than Idaho and Vermont.
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Be my guest: Try to have more background checks and gun laws put in place. Go right ahead. There will be resistance.
If you want to continue this conversation, I'll wait for a PM.
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