Was anyone else disappointed with how the story went for DMC5?

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So, there's this book for DMC1 called Devil May Cry: Graphic Edition. In that book Shinji Mikami has an interview where he talks about the influences for the character. Well, either there on on the first DVD Book they released. In the GE Mikami talks about how demons are highly intelligent and super strong, far more than any human, and that's why Dante, who is part demon, has superhuman strength and intelligence. I posted the translation for that here ages ago but the original source, from projectumbrella, who translated it out its connection to RE, is now dead.

If you want to gander through that you might find the passage. It's a bit of a read.

I'll check the other source in case it's that other book.
Thanks.

Something I find ironic about Dante's intelligence is that the last time he shows any real cunning is in DMC 2 where he swaps out the medallia for his own to disrupt the ritual. I call it ironic because this is one of two games fans want to ignore.
 
That's true. You could make an argument for either one way or the other in DMC1. You could argue that there was no evidence that this was the case and I could equality say that there was nothing to contradict that statement. At least that was once the case; now, with every iteration of the character there is no room for doubt. They've made him dumb as a brick and as sharp as a pound of liver.
I think another user pointed out Dante would make notes on the demons he fights. So he was more studious/curious than he is now.
 
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I think another user pointed out Dante would make notes on the demons he fights. So he was more studious/curious than he is now.
Yeah, I posted those here, too. One of the other things those notes show is that Dante liked to read as a child, adventure books. He talked about how Griffon reminded him of the Roc in one of Sinbad's journeys from 1001 Nights. He also has notes in DMC1. The enemy files show discuss the enemies and strategies to beat them.

Google translate has gotten pretty damn good so you can use that to get a pretty accurate translation.
 
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Another pet peeve of mine, remember Dante's love and respect for his mother he clearly showed in dmc1? It vanished ever since dmc3. Dante never seen in game talking about Eva by himself again. The rare times she was mentioned, Vergil had to be there.
Dante's interactions with Lady were a perfect time for him to mention Eva, at least so that Lady learns that Eva was a human woman and that demons are capable of romantic love, but Eva is only ever treated like the past owner of a trinket that is no longer significant to her specifically, and someone that Dante doesn't care about or respect since he ignores how much she talked fondly of Sparda and his courage just to hate/disown that man. He doesn't need to like Sparda as a father, but he should've respected that his mother loved Sparda as a courageous man/hero.

(The amulet stopped being her personal item that her spirit haunts in order for her to keep protecting Dante from beyond the grave, and since 3 it's become specifically Sparda's Item that he loaned to Eva that she then gave to her sons.)

Lady is on the other side of the coin: she never mentions that Kalina Ann is her mom unless Arkham is directly in the scene, otherwise Kalina is just Arkham's Wife which could've made Kalina a stepmom/some random woman, not someone that Lady cared about and personally wanted to avenge.
 
Only thing i was anyways disappointed with, was the missed chance for nero to grow up a bit and stop being a whiny immature child again.
 
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Only thing i was anyways disappointed with, was the missed chance for nero to grow up a bit and stop being a whiny immature child again.
yeah the beginning with Nero was eyerolling but so DmC's.

I guess 4 was the last funny game in the franchise.

I do agree that Nero degressed in the beginning and it's more like he wasn't a compelling antihero/lone wolf in 4 and 5 doesn't do it better.

in fact he's better being a naive idealist instead.
 
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I think the problem is nero had it easy compared to the sparda twins, they had a life of being hardened and fighting to survive. While he was brought up in fortuna with credo and kyrie, and had a normal life til joining the order and the devil bringer incident.

So he is still immature, as life did not force him to mature and stop whining like a baby
 
Only thing i was anyways disappointed with, was the missed chance for nero to grow up a bit and stop being a whiny immature child again.
I just want to take the objective and realistic perspective here.
You have to keep in mind that Nero's character probably had some growth between 4 and 5, but the dude got his arm ripped off. Aside from having to save Kyrie in 4, this is probably the most traumatic thing Nero's experienced. So logically, his character would regress on the maturity scale. Nobody just gets up and grows and matures overnight after losing a limb. If anything, he's been reset to level 1. At least this time he's angry and his actions have meaning, versus his emo status where he was constantly whining for Kyrie and really had no direction or purpose until she got abducted (because prior to that, you can tell he was just doing his job because he was told to, not because he was driven to it).
So there is some character growth. Just not in the way people wanted.
 
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I can grant you that over what happened to his arm, but he spent the entire game being hung up on being called a lightweight by dante.

That and the multiple scenes of his teenage like attitude were a regression, he has lived with kyrie for a while now too so you would be safe to assume her influence would help him mature and learn to handle things like a grown up.

Clearly not though.
 
I can grant you that over what happened to his arm, but he spent the entire game being hung up on being called a lightweight by dante.

That and the multiple scenes of his teenage like attitude were a regression, he has lived with kyrie for a while now too so you would be safe to assume her influence would help him mature and learn to handle things like a grown up.

Clearly not though.
Nero was actually pretty mature in 4, just a bit emotional. in DMC5 Nero is the girlfriend who still remembers that thing you said a year ago.
 
Nero does improve in the latter half of the game but his early scenes are cringy.

I don't mind him regressing but it would've been better if it was from the shock of loosing his arm. Having him become more angrier and impulsive would've been more fitting.

right now he just feels the same as he started in 4.

so I get @DoomSlayer87_Sss point.
 
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Shame they didn't write his arc better, he could be a great protagonist to pass the torch onto if he were more lile dante from DMC1

Oh well
 
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to recap, I'm disappointed but not as outraged as other fans as I went through something similar with 4 and the anime.

my problem with DMC is similar to my problems with most shonen battle manga I used to love and Kingdom Hearts. All of them couldn't evolve and mature enough to keep my interest. 5 is just following that trend.

there are some small improvements and it's a fun time but it has the same problems as other games in the series.
 
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Being the son of Vergil, it makes no sense to me that he's just a cheap knock off of Dante.

Personality is not genetic.

Anyway, Nero did indeed mature by the end of the game. Quite a bit. He's the one who recognizes the silliness of the rivalry between Vergil and Dante and tries to stop it when the two would rather continue to revel in it.

Arguably him knocking them down a notch is the reason why they are now frenemies instead of just enemies.