Are you Noah?
this is going where it is going right?
lol. Good guess.
But no, actually. Let's talk over PM.
Are you Noah?
this is going where it is going right?
When did I post a meme in the comment you quoted? Go ahead, show me that meme you're talking about.With respect I appreciate that you try to provide evidence to some of your points, but on the other hand the endless tired Reddit memes have to stop right now.
I like how you sanctimoniously claim that your every statement is built on demonstrable fact, then immediately turn around and deliver your opinions as fact.
More or less, DmC Dante is DMC3 Dante whether you disapprove of that or not.
3/10, considered cancer and a terrible troll.
Please try harder.
When did I post a meme in the comment you quoted? Go ahead, show me that meme you're talking about.
... Oh whats that? THERE ISN'T ONE? Yeah. I kind of knew that. Now that that's over.. where was I? ... ehheheheheh...
Up to the same old bullshit again Macabre? Instead of straw manning my arguments, how about you refute one for a change? Was I arguing about whether the game was good or was I arguing about Dante's character? I'm sure you know that was a bullshit quote. Macabre, I love you despite your calling me out. Don't ruin a good thing.
Let me make this clear. It WAS NOT my opinion, so get over the notion that I would even agree with you on that.
Original Dante, was NOT a dic... Oops!!!
I better correct my language here before Macabre has another conniption fit like last time! Allow me to rephrase that previous slip up of an almost naughty word that might have traumatized the likes of Alchy and Macabre for life. Common Macabre, you know I'm only teasing you. Alchy on the other hand... ohhh hooo Alchy. What I would love to say to that guy.
(PS- I'm going to start putting up more memes just for you Macabre because I know you love them so much!)
DON'T YOU MACABRE?! YOU DO DON'T YOU!!!?!!
Dante was not a penis (as if that's any better, don't kid yourself kiddies, there's no such thing as "bad words") or a douche bag for no reason like Donte in DmC was. If you played the games, or even simply watched the video evidence I showed, ANYONE can see this as a fact. He goes out of his way and sometimes even disregards his own well being, allowing himself to be shot by lady MULTIPLE times for example. Winter and a few others (lost track of who exactly has been agreeing with this shiznit) made claims that old Dante was the same as the new Dante so I responded in kind to call this nonsense out for what it was.
You can argue about ANYTHING else. Go ahead and start a new debate with me about whether the game itself is a sh1t reboot or not. I have statistics and facts on my side regardless. However, THAT previously mentioned VERY SIMPLE point is the core of my argument and all I was trying to prove. Sure, go ahead and say I'm full of opinions and memes.
Ignore my flipping argument. I don't care.
THE ARGUMENTMENTMENTMENTMENTMENTMENTmentment u suck ....I'm only joking calm down. . :
It's commonly thought that any character usually has the potential to be interesting as this is mostly dependent on the writer. (That's not necessarily what I was disputing.) The only time a writer is really restricted is when a character has been popular for a long time (LIKE DANTE) and has a devoted fan base. It's much harder to spin a character when they fit inside the confines of their own mythos. With that being said, we all know this is a reboot so a completely fresh variation of Dante is understandable. However, in comparison of the two, you can obviously see the faults and differences of said characters as plain as day.
A character who blatantly insults others, is rude for no reason, essentially a delinquent, is like the old Dante? You're telling me that a character who has shallow dialog like "f@ck you" instead of any real capability for any witty retorts or conversation, excluding the occasional "hey fat ass who invited you?" is similar or as well written as Dante, and a GOOD character?! You're telling me that a character who, all around acts like a childish hipster, is the same as the old Dante? I won't even mention how Vergil has become a even more prominent polar opposite character, completely devoid of ANY honor or pride with comments like "I've got the bigger ****" or doing sh1t like shooting that baby. (I said I wouldn't mention it but I kind of just did huh?)
Did you notice how I added in the "good character and "as well written" part btw? Ignore that. You and I both know it's impossible to define whether a character is good or not. ..... UNLESS HE BOMBS THE SALES OF HIS DEBUTE GAME! HAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHA! He is INDEED a bad, poorly written character and don't even get me started on the dialog Macabre. Please just don't even go there for both our sakes. I've only dipped into that shiznat topic.
You may want to say, "Well, prove he's a bad character because someone might actually find that personality to be what makes a good character." Well Macabre, I'm a man of statistics as I've said in the past, so I'll address you to a very simple notion. THE GAME FAILED! HAHAHAHAHAHAH! It's selling 8k units on the xbox on WEEK 4! WEEK HOLY COW 4! BAHAHAHAHAHAH! It's not even projected to hit 800k by week 10 with combined sales!
I've provided numerous examples in regards to their characters faults and differences so I'm borderline ready to concede just out of spite if anyone continues to argue without addressing a single one of them. If you think it's a great idea to make one of the Jersey Shore kids the new Dante, I don't know what else to say. In which case, I concede in complete and utter shame to be apart of the same species as such a person.
(Btw in case you didn't realize I put those memes there are purpose after I said I didn't post memes. GET OFF MY DlCK!)
Do me a favor and don't read Journey to the West, seeing as Son Wukong starts off as a jerk, and becomes a hero after journeying with Tripitakas.
So that's it eh Macabre? No rebuttal? Yeah, I thought so. Btw, I wasn't even trolling and I don't even use reddit. You on the other hand seem to have a grudge with that site as you were probably laughed out of more threads than even I can imagine. How would I be trolling with a post that in depth?The lowest kind: the reddit troll. At least /v/ rusemen make an effort.
I'll just take a reply copy of that post FB, just in case some vagabond decides to edit out anything for any reason.
Ah, lovely. Keep it coming, it nourishes me.
I'm starting to realize that trying to prove to you that he's a good character is a losing battle. You're completely dedicated to hating this character.
I'm not going to argue about what he became at the end of the series. There's no way to prove that he's still not a douche bag as he has yet to demonstrate such a thin. Also, since the game failed, I strongly doubt they'll be making a sequel with him anyways. I'm simply talking about the Donte that WAS and IS as of DmC: Devil May Cry. He's a douche bag, has terrible dialog and horrible one liners usually involving some type of shallow obscenity as his core.I could argue that showing his growth is proving he became a good character, or that he genuinely becomes a good person, but it's pointless.
Oh god please don't start comparing other characters from completely different backgrounds and mind sets to DmC Donte.Do me a favor and don't read Journey to the West, seeing as Son Wukong starts off as a jerk, and becomes a hero after journeying with Tripitakas.
And, like I repeatedly have stated, I think both DMC3 Dante and DmC Donte start off the same, as hedonistic jackasses that mature throughout the game. Hell in DMC3, You can actually see from all the beer bottles that he drinks more than DmC Donte! (I counted 12 bottles scattered everywhere in 3 to one bottle in DmC). DMC3 and DmC are about the Hero's journey, from a selfish young man to a hero, and both Dante's stepped up when it counts. DmC Dante may be foul mouthed, but he did end up becoming a hero.
Oh god what are you say?!?! GUTS WAS CRUEL AND COLD?! WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?! STAHP! STAHP IT!I can name countless popular fiction like this
Berserk: Guts goes from violent, cruel, cold, and obsessed with his personal goals, which are often achieved at great cost or risk to others, to genuinely caring about the people around him, a compassionate leader, and the best hero the ****hole of a world he lives in has.
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Did you even read what I wrote? Honestly. Be honest. SURIUS!This is hilarious. Keep going Batmun.
Because it's ironic! That's why it's funny <3Did you even read what I wrote? Honestly. Be honest. SURIUS!
Oh lol. ... Touché good sir. I'll accept that.Because it's ironic! That's why it's funny <3
I mean look at that sig, didn't read, LOL. You expect me to read it all when you have that? honestly when I scroll down and see that it reminds me how much of an I.Q. drop I get when I read those posts.
unless you are trolling about that, then to make you happy I'll raise your score...3.5/10
That's not my job. I'm the sidelines kind of guy.Oh lol. ... Touché good sir. I'll accept that.
Still considered a concession in my opinion but at least you were honest! o_- (Hidden underneath all my jokes/sarcasm I did have a few decent points I'd like to think. Please feel free to pick them out and hammer them without scrutiny.)
And, like I repeatedly have stated, I think both DMC3 Dante and DmC Dante start off the same, as hedonistic jackasses that mature throughout the game. Hell in DMC3, You can actually see from all the beer bottles that he drinks more than DmC Dante! (I counted 12 bottles scattered everywhere in 3 to one bottle in DmC). DMC3 and DmC are about the Hero's journey, from a selfish young man to a hero, and both Dante's stepped up when it counts. DmC Dante may be foul mouthed, but he did end up becoming a hero.
The difference lies in execution. Consider the beginning of each game: DmC starts out with us seeing New Dante in a drunken haze, surrounded by sleaze and debauchery. He lashes out violently at the bar tender (Without getting accosted by the bouncers), drinks heavily and takes away two strippers to have meaningless sex with. In retrospect it shows that New Dante likes living the hedonistic lifestyle to take his mind off his personal torment, but as this is the first we see of him it makes him seem shallow. We see him in the midst of a chaotic event where innocent bystanders are being harmed by the Ferris wheel spinning out of control, and he doesn't seem even slightly concerned about anyone but himself. He keeps a gun trained on a defenceless woman's head for longer than you would think necessary, showing that he's mistrustful, but as a first impression it makes him seem...well, evil.
Classic Dante in 3 on the other hand is introduced to us by having him relax after taking a shower, demonstrating that he takes care of himself physically, then kicks his chair into place for his own amusement as he takes a call with a flourish, showing us that he likes doing things stylishly because it amuses him. Even though there are bottles on the floor and his shop is in a mess, we're seeing him in a good light that demonstrates his character quirks without making him seem disgusting. He's flippant and rude to his visitor, showing us that he's obnoxious, but then again it's Arkham that he's treating this way, who is not only the villain of the piece but is currently acting like a creepy prick.
Even though the characters are similar, Classic Dante is being represented to us in such a way makes him more sympathetic, only alluding to his less redeeming features rather than putting them in centre focus. It makes us identify more with him and want to find out his secrets. DmC Dante seems like...well, a twat, and that's never a good thing for the player's avatar because it seems like a veiled insult to the player on the subconscious level.
First impressions are very important.
That is a very good point. I just always considered the opening to DmC like the first chapter of Berserk, where our introduction to Guts (not counting the apostle he banged and then blew away) was him entering a bar, finding four men who worked for the Snake Baron, and murdering all but one of them, who he tortures by grinding his boot into a throwing knife he had hit the man with. It made you think "This is our hero!? What made him this way?" and continue reading to figure out his past, and his problems.
Couple questions. If guts wasn't violent, Cold and cruel. what was the Black Swordsman and Retribution arcs about? And what does Hellhound represent?
2. The 26 episode anime is based on the golden age arc, and everything that happened in the anime, happened in the Manga. Kentaro Muira was on staff, and they used some of the manga's pages as storyboards. How is it not canon
3.Um, hate to inform you, but there have been 332 chapters of Berserk for a while. Chapter 332 came out two months ago, and chapter 328-331 came out last year. When'd you stop reading
4. If DMC3 wasn't about Dante's journey to becoming the hero he was in 1, why was it called "Dante's awakening?" And why did it show Dante slowly transforming from a cocky party animal into the fun-loving, and stil serious, demon slayer from 1?
5. I'm not the only person in the world who thinks DMC3 Dante was a asshole. From the DevilMayCry Tvtropes page under Flanderization: The later games just make him a Jerkass.
6: Dante in three seems to live in the moment, not caring about tomorrow. A hedonist is described as " a desire to be happy and experience various kinds of pleasure." DMC3 Dante did that with (off-screen) drinking and (on-screen) fighting. DmC Dante does the same with (on-screen) drinking, fighting and (off-screen) sex. Until they both matured and became what they were meant to be. They even have similar identity crisis, although the original Dante downplayed it with taunting and snark. Compare these two lines.
DMC3:
"(when being asked if he was human) Who knows? I'm not even sure myself."
DmC:
"I don't know what I am anymore"
That didn't happen that way in the manga.Um...I was talking about the whole "only the strong deserve to live" line, letting half a village die in the first chapter to get a shot at the Count, torturing the Count to death in front of his daughter, refusing to save the old man the Count killed, kicking him, countless acts.
The Berserk armor is the only reason this is even being brought out. Guts at his core was never cruel or vindictive. Fairies only follow and protect people with a good heart.The Beast itself was born from the darkness in Guts, the manga even stating that "during his days as the black swordsman, the two were one" There's a reason the title of the chapter where he gets his **** together is "Conviction"
Yes, he's the anti hero. Probably the best (edit: not most famous) ever made imo.Guts is a hero, a dark hero, but a hero. The manga itself goes out of it's way, including making his inner darkness manifest itself, to show that he's just a step away from becoming the monsters he fights. Ignoring the darker parts of his past completely negates what he's doing now. It's because of his darker moments that he's such an interesting character.
Well just as long as you appreciate my humor, it's all good.That's not my job. I'm the sidelines kind of guy.