Yeah it happened that way in the manga: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/berserk/
Dude, I know everything about Berserk. You do not want to escalate.
Dude, I know everything about Berserk. You do not want to escalate.
Me to for the most part. I was talking about this.Yeah it happened that way in the manga: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/berserk/
Dude, I know everything about Berserk. You do not want to escalate.
*spoilers, you have been warned*
After seeing the cutscenes for VD, I gotta admit that I was really disappointed in the actual story on Vergil's downfall for gaining his power.
1) Where was he transported to? You'd think he would be transported in Limbo, but Limbo has already been collasped into the real world. So my only guess that he's in some form of Hell seeing how Eva is also there as well. (Which imo, doesn't make any sense).
2) How did killing hollow Dante, hollow Kat, and himself in his hollow form, unlock his true power? Most importantly, where did these hollow forms even come from? And why was hollow Vergil helping him out in the first place? And didn't Vergil already unlock his Doppelganger against Dante? Yet you gain this skill after Vergil defeats his hollow form and unlocks his "true power".
I don't get it at all. It sounds like the devs just threw this together for the sake of Vergil's story.
3) After gaining this new-found power . . . he becomes powerful enough to control demons?
....Why?
*spoilers, you have been warned*
After seeing the cutscenes for VD, I gotta admit that I was really disappointed in the actual story on Vergil's downfall for gaining his power.
1) Where was he transported to? You'd think he would be transported in Limbo, but Limbo has already been collasped into the real world. So my only guess that he's in some form of Hell seeing how Eva is also there as well. (Which imo, doesn't make any sense).I think it is hell. Maybe Eva is there because of how she died? She had her heart taken, and Vergil's got a gaping wound where his was.:/
2) How did killing hollow Dante, hollow Kat, and himself in his hollow form, unlock his true power? Most importantly, where did these hollow forms even come from? And why was hollow Vergil helping him out in the first place? And didn't Vergil already unlock his Doppelganger against Dante? Yet you gain this skill after Vergil defeats his hollow form and unlocks his "true power".It helped him unlock his power because he figuratively killed the 'weak part' that was holding him back from doing what it takes to get power; his feelings for Kat and the feeling that Dante was the favourite, coupled wih his disbelief of Dante turning on him and beat him. Then there's proving to Eva that he was the stronger child by showing he killed Dante, then throwing everything she gave him back in her face to pove he no longer needed her. Those negative feelings about himself wer eholding him back.
Each time he did this, a wound in his heart was fixed until it was whole again.
Hollow Vergil was helping him because he's the demon side of Vergil. It wanted to take over completely and to do that it had to make Vergil lose anything that would hold him back. He wasn't helping him. It was a bit to take over, but Vergil was stronger.
He already dad the doppelganger skill, but Vergil was holding the other half in check, making sure it did not take over completely. When Vergil went to hell, the doppelganger broke free as it is the physical form of his demon side. It saw its chance when Vergil was wounded to escape and try to gain dominance.
I don't get it at all. It sounds like the devs just threw this together for the sake of Vergil's story.
3) After gaining this new-found power . . . he becomes powerful enough to control demons?
Maybe he always was? Or that he gave up his 'human' qualities and embraced his demon and let it become the dominant side over the angel. I guess the demons recognised him as strong and decided he was the new leader?
....Why?
*spoilers, you have been warned*
After seeing the cutscenes for VD, I gotta admit that I was really disappointed in the actual story on Vergil's downfall for gaining his power.
1) Where was he transported to? You'd think he would be transported in Limbo, but Limbo has already been collasped into the real world. So my only guess that he's in some form of Hell seeing how Eva is also there as well. (Which imo, doesn't make any sense).
2) How did killing hollow Dante, hollow Kat, and himself in his hollow form, unlock his true power? Most importantly, where did these hollow forms even come from? And why was hollow Vergil helping him out in the first place? And didn't Vergil already unlock his Doppelganger against Dante? Yet you gain this skill after Vergil defeats his hollow form and unlocks his "true power".
I don't get it at all. It sounds like the devs just threw this together for the sake of Vergil's story.
3) After gaining this new-found power . . . he becomes powerful enough to control demons?
....Why?
But that Super Saiyan hair was stupid. So stupid. He looked like a troll doll.
To be honest, i feel Dante was brutal. I don't see he has a good personality.I think the main reason is Dante did kill him. He soul was then in a real limbo. He has no other way to escape the death except fully embracing the darkness. Because he was wounded, his humanity was so weak that cannot resist his darkness any more. Finally, his darkness absorbs his humanity, turning him into a real demon. VD's storyline is legit.
[quote="FuN Batman, post: 452676, member: 25041!
You couldn't be more wrong. Guts was a quiet little boy who only wanted a father figure and fought for Gambino to be acknowledged. He was a fierce fighter and the most complex personality in the story but he was never cruel. He fought to hone his abilities and nothing more. Guts became extremely disciplined later on in the series and I sure as **** hope you're not talking about the noncanon anime.
For the rest I'm quite disapponted...I don't know you but I expected more from NT with this DLC.
It can't lead into DMC3 because DMC3 ends with Vergil back in the demon realm facing down Mundus who in DmC canon is dead and neither Vergil or Mundus have met before.
Unless we're toying with the idea that there are different Mundus's running around that is.
You're right that it couldn't lead into an exact DMC3, but DmC2 could have elements of DMC3 in it like Arkham and Lady or the demon tower, and certainly upping the rivalry between Dante and Vergil.It can't lead into DMC3 because DMC3 ends with Vergil back in the demon realm facing down Mundus who in DmC canon is dead and neither Vergil or Mundus have met before.
Unless we're toying with the idea that there are different Mundus's running around that is.
What would even be the plural for that? Mundasees, Mundasi, Mundanes...?
I don't know about all of that, I think they should let Mundus die and use a different villain if they have one besides Vergil. Otherwise with the whole two bodies and traveling souls kinda thing, makes me think of Kingdom Hearts. NT should keep it simple and not get trapped in their own lore.You're right that it couldn't lead into an exact DMC3, but DmC2 could have elements of DMC3 in it like Arkham and Lady or the demon tower, and certainly upping the rivalry between Dante and Vergil.
As for Mundus being dead in DmC, I'm not sure that he is, especially with what happened to Eva. The body Mundus was using was a vessel, so I have a feeling his demon body is in storage in hell. What if Mundus' soul was released from Ryder's body during the defeat and found its way back to hell and to Mundus' true demon body?
I don't know about all of that, I think they should let Mundus die and use a different villain if they have one besides Vergil. Otherwise with the whole two bodies and traveling souls kinda thing, makes me think of Kingdom Hearts. NT should keep it simple and not get trapped in their own lore.
What I got from it (elaborate theory ahead, folks): I'm willing to bet the entirety of the DLC takes place in Vergil's mind. He uses the portal to get to mother's grave and collapses on it on the verge of death. And then he goes through a journey through his own soul. You remember that place with the giant statue in chains that Dante "went" to whenever he gained a new Nephilim power, and once he finally unlocked his trigger, he stopped going there? Vergil spends the entire DLC in a severely twisted version of that place, falling apart because he's losing his mind. It looks like Hell because it's a reflection of his pain, both physical and mental (represented by the beating heart, wounded in real life and wounded metaphorically by Dante's betrayal). He probably already went through it one time before just like Dante did, and is forced to go through it again because he's dying and his body is restructuring itself. (Sort of harkening back to DMC!Dante needing to basically die and resurrect to unlock his trigger).
Dante and Kat are just hallucinations, reflections of Vergil's own insecurities that he has to defeat to gain confidence in himself again. He could have confronted his doubts and reached positive self-realization and increased his power that way (like Dante did), but chose instead to crawl deeper into his own rage, resentment, and delusion, which Hollow!Vergil kept feeding to him, because hollow!Vergil represents everything Vergil thinks he needs to become (actually, it's everything Vergil needs to overcome, but that's where Vergil goes terribly wrong.)
As for Eva, remember when Dante spoke to her spirit in DmC, and she left him once he achieved his full potential? Apparently, like in the original DMC, her soul is tied to the amulets. Eva's not a hallucination, and she's not trapped in Limbo or Hell, she's trapped in Vergil's own internal madness, and she can't be free until HE'S free, because he's using HER amulet to attain this power of his. And she can't reach him anymore, so her spirit's stuck in the depths of his insanity until he's not Hannibal Lector anymore.
So when Vergil wakes up at the end, in the real world, he's healed himself and he has an even better grasp on his power than he did before; he's given in to his demon side entirely and all the power associated with it (unlike Dante, who was still fighting against it at the end of DmC). And the demons, masterless, trapped in the human world, and looking for someone with the power to lead them, recognize that in him immediately. So he becomes their new boss.
(And Dante is an idiot who could have avoided this whole mess with a little diplomacy and maybe not trying to murder his brother, but noooo. So now Vergil's a crazy demon messiah twice as powerful as he was before and he's gathering an army that's going to smear Dante all over the sidewalk like a dung beetle.)
I liked it a lot, actually. It demonstrated metaphor and the hero's struggle a lot better than DmC did, though it could have been more complex (seriously, Vergil, your mother's "favorite"? Really? Are you twelve?) It also made me sympathize with the main character more. Vergil's a twit, but it's shown to us why he's so messed up in the head, and also why it's his own damn fault, so I felt bad for him without feeling he was justified. Never got that sense of flawed humanity with Dante.
But that Super Saiyan hair was stupid. So stupid. He looked like a troll doll.
Oh well I meant like entirely new, both those villains sucked, I think at this point if they have Vergil, NT has enough license to make an entirely new villain. And dear god why did they make Arius exist???Here are your choices:
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"THE SAVIOUR IS COMING" X500 Mega Pope.
Oh well I meant like entirely new, both those villains sucked, I think at this point if they have Vergil, NT has enough license to make an entirely new villain. And dear god why did they make Arius exist???