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The whole Chick-Fil-A thing annoys me atm.
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*hugs* You are not a mega b*tch. You are brilliant. I'm all for people believing in what they want, it's just when people try to use their personal beliefs to justify keeping others oppressed that I have a problem with. (Not saying DS does that! O_O')snip
Although, I'm curious to know why asexuality doesn't get any hate from Christianity. If anything, it should because it's also "unnatural" and therefore against God's wishes. :troll: Meg is asexual....
I'm feeling a bit harshly and unjustly judged here.
Lexy beat me to it, but I meant know offense. I just wanted to have a discussion. I wasn't judging you or anything. Although I do feel a little insulted because you indirectly called me either not a true believer or deceived just because I don't think the world is black and white as you say it is. I think the world is way more complex than you are making it out to be, but that's just one personal belief against another.snip
LOL I thought this was a bit ironic because there are so, so few Christians out there who will agree with and see where I'm coming from.Why? Meg and Shadow are just discussing. Nobody is directing any of this at you personally. Just observing and questioning the apparent behaviour of some or particular Christians we may see or hear about - that goes without saying; none of us know the full picture, only the sliver we see. They don't represent you. Or God. As far as I'm concerned some are just particular people who have drawn attention to themselves by NOT behaving as Christians ought to. That's all.
If I were a Christian, I would not personally condemn gays or anyone else. Judging is God's business, not mine. Mine would be to live as I felt God wished me to. I just encounter or hear about so many people who do think it is their business to point fingers and miss the point of their faith, sadly.
And I see that you are the same as I would be.
I know you meant no offense, it's just that I now know where you're coming from and my views contradict yours in a way that will probably lead to one or both of us feeling miserable if we took the discussion any further. For one, science doesn't contradict religion. Some people find this mindblowing. Some people can't see the link between the two. We're coming from two total opposites on this topic. If anything I believe that many things in the Bible can be scientifically proven or recreated. I think you'd be surprised how many Christians are scientists.Lexy beat me to it, but I meant know offense. I just wanted to have a discussion. I wasn't judging you or anything. Although I do feel a little insulted because you indirectly called me either not a true believer or deceived just because I don't think the world is black and white as you say it is. I think the world is way more complex than you are making it out to be, but that's just one personal belief against another.
Annnnnd I'm not going to be responding to the rest of what you posted. What you're saying about abortion is not scientifically accurate. Scientists do not belief life starts at conception and when a fetus is aborted it is only a bundle of cells. Only in extremely rare cases is the baby aborted sometime after that and it is never for a light reason. However, since this is coming down to Science vs. Religion I'd rather not discuss it further.
Just know I am in fact a strong believer in God and Jesus Christ. But with stuff like this, I just prefer modern science, facts ,and strong evidence over what is in a book that was written thousands of years ago and changed countless times. But that's just me. I respect other peoples beliefs too.![]()
LOL I thought this was a bit ironic because there are so, so few Christians out there who will agree with and see where I'm coming from.
I guess I feel a bit 'called out' on my post. I would've thought that Meg would be with me on most of what I said because we're both Christian, but this is where the denominations come in to play, I guess. Not that I think any Protestant would agree with most of my views anyway, I think my mum would question some of what I understand as well.
I know that's not what you meant, but I had to point out the wording anyway. :lol:I know you meant no offense, it's just that I now know where you're coming from and my views contradict yours in a way that will probably lead to one or both of us feeling miserable if we took the discussion any further. For one, science doesn't contradict religion. Some people find this mindblowing. Some people can't see the link between the two. We're coming from two total opposites on this topic. If anything I believe that many things in the Bible can be scientifically proven or recreated. I think you'd be surprised how many Christians are scientists.
That's quite interesting. I did not know that. I would have thought there would be problems because of how different some languages are. Especially if we look at early languages vs. modern ones. But if you say so.I also know that the Bible has been translated numerous times into numerous languages, but the 'errors' or 'inconsistencies' found in these translations come down to miniscule little things like the proper word being used. It doesn't change the whole universe of the Bible nor does it change the message. I've read up about this before, I think I posted in the reading thread about the book, too. Finding the real Jesus, I think is what it was called, written by a Bible scholar and plenty of quotes from other scholars as well.
Um.
Yeah.
Anyway.
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That's largely why I'm able value both religion and science strongly. But you were saying that life begins with conception and abortion is killing, whereas scientists say that's not true. That's all I meant as far as the "science vs. religion" thing.
We have very different views on the world. You believe the world is black and white. I think that the world and people are so complex and morality so gray that I could spend the rest of my life writing about it and only ever understand a small portion of it.I'm not the one saying life begins at conception. God's word says so in a couple of places. One is the one I quoted about God knowing us before we were even formed in the womb, that in itself says a lot. I think that's from Psalms, but I might be wrong.
There is also another quote I came across yesterday but it's in my native language so I'm trying to find it in my English version. Weird and frustrating how a verse from one Bible is not the same as another. I'll pm it to you once I track it down.
And unfortunately the world IS black and white, at least through God's perspective it is. Proverbs 17:15, He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord. That's basically saying that if you say abortion (aka killing) is okay/necessary in some instances, then it's justified because of necessity. God says otherwise.
I'm just wondering, considering that the Bible doesn't explicitly say ABORTION is wrong but that killing is, who's word are you going to take to heart most? What God says or what science says?
The Bible was written by men guided by the Holy Spirit. You shouldn't underestimate God's power. If He can keep the world going like clockwork, don't you think He can manage to get His word out to us, too? Just because it was written by men you can't discredit it by saying so.We have very different views on the world. You believe the world is black and white. I think that the world and people are so complex and morality so gray that I could spend the rest of my life writing about it and only ever understand a small portion of it.
God doesn't outright "say" anything. A book based on what he says is where we are getting all this from. The book was written by men. Not God. So what you are asking me is this: would I rather take to heart a book written thousands of years ago by men that has been changed and things omitted and added in overtime, or modern science with actual concrete evidence and findings. I choose science.
And besides, if you want to go by what the Bible says then women are inferior to men, men cannot shave, no one can eat pork, etc.
My head hurts. And we have derailed this thread to death. I'll send you a PM.snip
Beat you to it!My head hurts. And we have derailed this thread to death. I'll send you a PM.
CRT: I'M TIRED AND MY HEAD HURTS!