Ninja Theory Isn’t Working on Anything Else DmC Related, “Nor is Anything Planned”

[AgentRedgrave]

a counter-argument to yours might be that companies don't give a flying frick about sales not speaking for quality. A majority of them at least.

That's why Michael Bay is still allowed to make Transformers movies *smh*

Anyway, while I admit, given the choice between the two, I'd rather DMC5. That being said couple of points

• While I initially did have a closer to negative view of DmC when it was released, my opinion of it did soften, not to the point where I liked it more then the originals (Unlikely to happen, DMC3's my favorite game period) but it was a decent game overall, and I gave a positive review to the DE. But I was open for a sequel, even back when I hated the game (My logic was that the reason DMC3 was so great, was they were trying to make up for DMC2, so I figured DmC2 would sorta follow the same route)
  
• Also, now , I can imagine, the DmC fans are probably having similar thoughts to mine when I found out instead of Devil May Cry 5, we were getting a reboot. Devil May Cry 4 left unanswered questions. We got a new main protagonist, his name's Nero, and he has Sparda's blood, and a link to Vergil's sword.....How? Then I hear he's Vergil's son. Really? Who's the mom? DmC's similar, they built up for a sequel. They built Vergil up as a big bad. It also states demons and angels have been at war...Where are the angels? They could have used that in the sequel, have Dante team up with angels to fight Vergil. Have angels trying to hunt Dante and Vergil down for being abominations (Watch Supernatural, angels don't have to be nice).

 

[Elijah Guerrero]

He's not slandering. It's just his opinion on it, and everyone's entitled to their opinion on a game. I talk a lot of smack about DMC4 but that doesn't mean I do it to make everyone else agree, but because I just don't like it is all.

Its ok, just putting this up to let him know. Wonder if Capcom ever would decide to have the two Dante's meet or work together if their universes came together.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Its ok, just putting this up to let him know. Wonder if Capcom ever would decide to have the two Dante's meet or work together if their universes came together.

The fanbase would whine about "WHY R THY FREINDS!! THY SHUD HAT ECH OTHR LIEK I DO!!!FSAGSS DHSSHLHLK!!!!"

 

[D-Sparda]

Wonder if Capcom ever would decide to have the two Dante's meet or work together if their universes came together.

Capcom should focus their priorities on something more constructive than perpetuating the "war" between DMC and DmC. Put the the two characters in the same game and there would be a high chance that people will find a way to turn this cooperation that you propose into "my Dante is better than yours" argument.

 

[Judge]

According to Vgcharts 800.000. Which makes DmC: DE sales pretty sad sight.

No, actually thats pretty sad. It's just shows that nobody willing to pay 40 bucks for recently released game with small instal base. Considering it got outsold by Bayonetta 2 one one console with small instal base in first place, makes it even worse. So good luck to those waiting for it to hit 1 mil. mark.

Well I'm not prepared to believe Vgchartz on sales numbers unless their backed up by the publishers own numbers. We've seen this problem before with them.

Your also comparing DmC DEs sales numbers after about two months to the HD Collection which has been out for 3 or 4 years. Thats not really a reasonable comparison.

I'm not sure what Bayonetta 2 sold, but I originally advocated a released of DmC for the Wii U because the console is devoid of big games. Bayonetta's sales reflect how theres not much selection on the Wii U. And I've heard Bayonetta's sales are not even that impressive.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

You know since everyone wants to bring up sales figures (again) Here's something from the article.

We have a far smaller budget and a far smaller team. But because our costs are lower we don’t have to sell to millions of people to justify the investment. Hellblade needs to sell around 300,000 copies for it to break-even vs the many millions that a $60 retail AAA game needs to sell in order for the development costs alone to be covered.

Doesn't that say that they don't have to push out millions and millions of copies of the game for them to see any investment in it? Why exactly do large sales figures matter then if the company still makes their money back and some?

The point here isn't to even compare every DMC title to DmC on number of copies sold, except that seems to be the case.

 

[Innsmouth]

Well I'm not prepared to believe Vgchartz on sales numbers unless their backed up by the publishers own numbers. We've seen this problem before with them.

Your also comparing DmC DEs sales numbers after about two months to the HD Collection which has been out for 3 or 4 years. Thats not really a reasonable comparison.

I'm not sure what Bayonetta 2 sold, but I originally advocated a released of DmC for the Wii U because the console is devoid of big games. Bayonetta's sales reflect how theres not much selection on the Wii U. And I've heard Bayonetta's sales are not even that impressive.

Bayonetta outsold DE 2 to one on the first week. Also HD collection sales number were on 800.000 during time of DmC release. You see, if rerelease don't sell in first couple of months it won't sell at all.

You know since everyone wants to bring up sales figures (again) Here's something from the article.



Doesn't that say that they don't have to push out millions and millions of copies of the game for them to see any investment in it? Why exactly do large sales figures matter then if the company still makes their money back and some?

The point here isn't to even compare every DMC title to DmC on number of copies sold, except that seems to be the case.

Dont compare Hellblade that is developed by 15 people to DmC that was developed by entire team. Sale numbers is usually deciding factor to wether game gets sequel or not.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

@Innsmouth: But I'm not. I'm saying I don't see why we even have to take sales figures into account here when all the article really says is DMC is Capcom's IP and should they want to do a DmC 2 they will. It's just a matter of if they want to continue at some point with DmC.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

@Innsmouth: But I'm not. I'm saying I don't see why we even have to take sales figures into account.

See, I didn't have to do anything, you guys derailed this thread on your own

 

[LordOfDarkness]

See, I didn't have to do anything, you guys derailed this thread on your own

I was under the assumption that you only have to mention DmC for the DmC-DMC comparisons to come rolling in.

Mrrandomlulz, that means there was nothing to derail. It wasn't even on the track.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

I was under the assumption that you only have to mention DmC for the DmC-DMC comparisons to come rolling in.

Mrrandomlulz, that means there was nothing to derail. It wasn't even on the track.

OBJECTION! The very fact that we started speaking about the sales is within itself a derailment as they weren't mentioned in the article
And this time, you guys did it, not me!

 

[LordOfDarkness]

OBJECTION! The very fact that we started speaking about the sales is within itself a derailment as they weren't mentioned in the article
And this time, you guys did it, not me!

I've seen worse here than this. This is just another case of people bringing up old stuff to mull over. Like I said earlier, sales wasn't the point of the article. It doesn't matter what the main point of a thread is, if it so much as mentions a future of DmC 2 or anything of the like, it's going to end up in DmC-DMC comparisons and slandering.

At least it hasn't been that bad considering, so it can stay here for discussion. Should things get out of hand though I'm pretty confident everybody will know where they stand.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

I've seen worse here than this. This is just another case of people bringing up old stuff to mull over. Like I said earlier, sales wasn't the point of the article. It doesn't matter what the main point of a thread is, if it so much as mentions a future of DmC 2 or anything of the like, it's going to end up in DmC-DMC comparisons and slandering.

At least it hasn't been that bad considering, so it can stay here for discussion. Should things get out of hand though I'm pretty confident everybody will know where they stand.

Well to be fair, we just got even further off topic by discussing whether or not this thread was far enough off topic to be considered derailed. I should probably stop here before my shenanigans go too far and start actually qualifying as trouble making, so consider this my last fun post for the thread.
So before we go back on topic, I'd like to say that we were
GOING OFF THE RAILS ON A CRAZY THREAD!

 

[Innsmouth]

@Innsmouth: But I'm not. I'm saying I don't see why we even have to take sales figures into account here when all the article really says is DMC is Capcom's IP and should they want to do a DmC 2 they will. It's just a matter of if they want to continue at some point with DmC.

Because obviously sales will be one of the points capcom takes into consideration when talking about DmC2. And article says that so far they didn't decide to do it. Thats all to it.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Because obviously sales will be one of the points capcom takes into consideration when talking about DmC2. And article says that so far they didn't decide to do it. Thats all to it.

Oh yeah I'm not denying that. Obviously sales is a key factor here. I was just wondering why we needed to compare DmC's sales figures to DMC's. Unless it's because you're saying that Capcom will probably continue with what makes the most money? Fair enough I guess, though it doesn't rule out a future for DmC. Though I'm just saying that. I'm not saying you think that way.

 

[Innsmouth]

Oh yeah I'm not denying that. Obviously sales is a key factor here. I was just wondering why we needed to compare DmC's sales figures to DMC's. Unless it's because you're saying that Capcom will probably continue with what makes the most money? Fair enough I guess, though it doesn't rule out a future for DmC. Though I'm just saying that. I'm not saying you think that way.

I pretty much sure DE and DMC4 are testing which is more profitable. That's why i think it's important to franchise's feature (of course if both flops maybe they just can franchise)

 

[Judge]

Bayonetta outsold DE 2 to one on the first week. Also HD collection sales number were on 800.000 during time of DmC release. You see, if rerelease don't sell in first couple of months it won't sell at all.

Your again saying DMC HD Collection sold 800,000 copies with no word from Capcom. We simply have nothing but the word of a website that has got it wrong so many times before. If you believe that, its not a problem, but you can't expect anyone else to believe what you believe without some form of proof.

In terms of Bayonetta 2, I'm sure the sales were good for the time and the console, but like I said, I think DmC's sales are pretty good. You might not agree with that, but thats something you need to deal with, not everyone will share the same view as you. Constructing arguments about how you feel about DmC's sales won't change that a lot of people did enjoy DmC, and actually DMC4 did alientate a lot of fans which some people seem so keen to forget.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Another thing to note is that despite DmC not getting a lot its beginning doesn't mean it won't grow and finally break even.
And for NT, the numbers that DmC and its Definitive edition are probably the largest they've sold for their games, and the numbers they have for it now saved them from bankruptcy to make Hellblade.

 

[Innsmouth]

In terms of Bayonetta 2, I'm sure the sales were good for the time and the console, but like I said, I think DmC's sales are pretty good. You might not agree with that, but thats something you need to deal with, not everyone will share the same view as you. Constructing arguments about how you feel about DmC's sales won't change that a lot of people did enjoy DmC, and actually DMC4 did alientate a lot of fans which some people seem so keen to forget.

I suggest you get real. Final Fantasy X remaster, btw,sold 300.000 copies in one week, on sony consoles only btw, and not in 3 months like DmC. There are solid numbers there, and they won't go away even if you hide your head under the pillow :/
IT's vanilla release all over again. When it was outsold by previous title 3 to one, people still screamed how good it sold. DmC doesn't have install base that DMC franchise had, and doubtfully it ever gets one. Here's solid fact: there are 20 mil of Ps4 system sold. And DmC: DE didn't even sold 1/20 of that amount. and that across one system.
So wether you like it or you don't like it, lack of interest towards DmC is pretty obvious. Yes it has it's own small fan base. But its not even half of what it was back in DMC4 time.

Another thing to note is that despite DmC not getting a lot its beginning doesn't mean it won't grow and finally break even.
And for NT, the numbers that DmC and its Definitive edition are probably the largest they've sold for their games, and the numbers they have for it now saved them from bankruptcy to make Hellblade.

For NT DmC sales are irrelevant. It's capcom game so they getting money from it. NT was payed for their job which they done independent from them. And btw, Heavenly Sword also sold Mil. which didn't helped franchise from being canned.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I suggest you get real. Final Fantasy X remaster, btw,sold 300.000 copies in one week,

FFX is part of a popular role-playing series that has sold more then Devil May Cry has. Of course it sold more. Hack n slash games don't do well compared to a Final Fantasy game.