New Vergil or Devil May Cry 3 Vergil?

[mrrandomlulz]

Honestly, something that gives DMC Vergil a bit of an unfair advantage in my opinion is DmC Mundus.
Mundus was definitely one of the highlights of DmC for me story wise. Well acted, well written, and all around threatening. He was a really cool villain, one that outshined Vergil.
In DMC3, Vergil had no other villains that really outshined him, even Arkham didn't really shine until after Vergil was out of the big villain spotlight, and right after Arkham's death, Vergil steals that spotlight back.
DmC Mundus on the other hand, was too damn cool to have the spotlight stolen from him.
So yeah, DMC Vergil wins because of DmC Mundus.
Ironic, isn't it?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

new vergil shoot a pregnant woman from behind makes me die a little inside

I'll never understand this, other than it being yet another bit of "controversy" cooked up for no reason. It's like the epitome of sympathy for the devil (heh). The child one mission previous attempts to kill us, on the whim of the mother, who after their defeat says she doesn't care about the child, and that it's nothing more than a meal ticket to curry favor with Mundus. The game does a whole helluva lot to make both unsympathetic.

And remember, not "pregnant woman", it's a "pregnant demon". Y'know, those guys enslaving mankind and sucking their souls for sustenance? Pooooooor baby

 

[The Final Offer]

Oh Vergil, so honorable right? That's why he'll stab a partner in the back once he feels they aren't needed anymore and he'll test a new weapon out on the corpse of a fallen foe. Might as well p!ss on him Veegee.

And so what if he shot preggo Pete Burns? He had reason to because it was another step in bringing down Mundus and she was freaking carrying demonic baby Hitler in there! Just in the previous level that ugly son of a b!tch tried to kill Dante.

You wanna bring down the house? Pull the nails from the foundation and watch it fall.

And why the sympathy for that f@cking thing? You wouldn't take a shot to destroy something that will inevitably have humanity enslaved just because you feel sorry? Yea, watch that go over well when humanity's bending over and taking demonic rule like a b!tch and you can be that guy to explain to everyone how you could have stopped it. :meh:

I seriously think Vergil stabbed Arkham because Arkham was going to do the same to him...and did. Also, Arkham definitely showed signs of wanting the same thing as Vergil and would do anything to get it....he'd already killed his own wife...and maybe Vergil didn't like that...and sought to kill Arkham in the dishonorable way he felt Arkham deserved. Meh, I dunno, it's just a theory......A GAME THEORY!

Also, could anyone explain to me how Vergil was going to get rid of Beowulf's corpse?

I remember when I spoke about Vergil killing Mundus's seed and why....boy did I laugh at the responses.

Ha! I read that as demonic ruler.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I'll never understand this, other than it being yet another bit of "controversy" cooked up for no reason.

Uh... didn't Dante shoot Nevan (who was also a demon) right in the womb?? And then kick around demon babies like soccer balls in DMC4?

I'm sorry, but I really have to use this argument now:

Double. Standard.

And no, do not use the argument "but it was done in a 'playful' tone." No. There is nothing "playful" about either one of these things. In any context.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Crap, I actually agree with this.

Honestly, that's also my biggest problem with the whole 'Only a nephillim can kill a demon king' thing.
No one could kill Mundus in the original when he was a cheesy cliche, and now that you turn him into the ultimate badass antagonist, you kill him off in the first game to make room for Vergil!?
You made him better than in the original, and you do what the original series made clear was improbable for their version, IN THE FIRST GAME!?
HE WAS SO BADASS!

 

[Demi-fiend]

... He might be able to come back.

 

[The Final Offer]

Uh... didn't Dante shoot Nevan (who was also a demon) right in the womb?? And then kick around demon babies like soccer balls in DMC4?

I'm sorry, but I really have to use this argument now:

Double. Standard.

And no, do not use the argument "but it was done in a 'playful' tone." No. There is nothing "playful" about either one of these things. In any context.

Then NERO CAME IN WIT GUNZ BLAZING!

PEW PEW PEW!! DEMON BABIES! PEW PEW!!

OH AND DONT FORGET THAT THE ENTIRE JUNGLE MISSION YOU WERE KILLING DEMON BABIES!

 

[Demi-fiend]

Hahaha... XD

... What did I just read??

 

[The Final Offer]

Hahaha... XD

... What did I just read??

The thoughts everyone had when they were killing demon babies!!

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Uh... didn't Dante shoot Nevan (who was also a demon) right in the womb??

Well, much like how the US tries to control contraceptives and abortions, no one actually gives a sh!t about a woman unless there's a baby in her.

 

[WolfOD64]

This talk of plot holes is interesting to me. Let's talk about those -- what are your favorite DMC plotholes? I'm assuming you actually know of a few, and you aren't just trying to stir **** up because you've all been arguing about vergil for 7 pages?

Or should we make a new topic for plot holes?

I was actually referring to nostalgia acting as rose-colored glasses to dismiss bad writing and poorly-developed characters. But if you're that curious, a thread about lore inconsistencies, plot-holes, and unexplained/incoherent elements already exists...I'm just not going to sweep the entire mountain of threads looking for it.

Most of the plot-holes that bug me actually don't have much to do with Vergil at all. My main ones include the official timeline, Dante and Vergil's ages/aging process, the fact that Dante's shop goes from Devil May Cry to Devil Never Cry and then back to Devil May Cry again in the anime and 4 without any real reason or explanation....and Nero. Just, Nero...his origins, his role as a "son" of Sparda, and the fact that he's confirmed to be Vergil's son...and since Nero is the same race of demon as the Sons of Sparda, that can only mean he's half-human and half-demon as well...which means Vergil impregnated a human at some obscenely-young point of his life, even though he was confirmed in DMC3 as the brother that hated and despised humans.

Other than that, most of my qualms against the DMC lore have to do with the quality of the story, dialogue, mythos, characters, and development.

Uh... didn't Dante shoot Nevan (who was also a demon) right in the womb?? And then kick around demon babies like soccer balls in DMC4?

I'm sorry, but I really have to use this argument now:

Double. Standard.

And no, do not use the argument "but it was done in a 'playful' tone." No. There is nothing "playful" about either one of these things. In any context.

Let's not forget how Dante "playfully" shot Echidna into oblivion right after she was wailing over the decimated corpses of her plant-like offsprings. Then, Dante turns to what I assume are Echidna's smoldering ashes, and non-nonchalantly says:

"I think that look suits you better."

Wow. Makes me wonder why DmC's "SSadistic" style ranking wasn't in DMC4.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Well, much like how the US tries to control contraceptives and abortions, no one actually gives a sh!t about a woman unless there's a baby in her.

PM me.

 

[Blue_Rose]

I really don't know why anyone else feels sorry for Lilith's child. The slimy bastard tried to kill Dante and Vergil wouldn't want to be the man who could've killed the demon prince but didn't years later.

 

[Blue_Rose]

I was actually referring to nostalgia acting as rose-colored glasses to dismiss bad writing and poorly-developed characters. But if you're that curious, a thread about lore inconsistencies, plot-holes, and unexplained/incoherent elements already exists...I'm just not going to sweep the entire mountain of threads looking for it.

Most of the plot-holes that bug me actually don't have much to do with Vergil at all. My main ones include the official timeline, Dante and Vergil's ages/aging process, the fact that Dante's shop goes from Devil May Cry to Devil Never Cry and then back to Devil May Cry again in the anime and 4 without any real reason or explanation....and Nero. Just, Nero...his origins, his role as a "son" of Sparda, and the fact that he's confirmed to be Vergil's son...and since Nero is the same race of demon as the Sons of Sparda, that can only mean he's half-human and half-demon as well...which means Vergil impregnated a human at some obscenely-young point of his life, even though he was confirmed in DMC3 as the brother that hated and despised humans.

Other than that, most of my qualms against the DMC lore have to do with the quality of the story, dialogue, mythos, characters, and development.


Let's not forget how Dante "playfully" shot Echidna into oblivion right after she was wailing over the decimated corpses of her plant-like offsprings. Then, Dante turns to what I assume are Echidna's smoldering ashes, and non-nonchalantly says:

"I think that look suits you better."

Wow. Makes me wonder why DmC's "SSadistic" style ranking wasn't in DMC4.

You kidding me? She looked SSSensational like that.

 

[WolfOD64]

Just idealism and a bit of stubborn pride. Thinking we can change the world one dummy at a time.

Maybe one day they will see the light.

Too many ignorant souls to fill with light...not enough time.

 

[Innsmouth]

I really don't know why anyone else feels sorry for Lilith's child. The slimy bastard tried to kill Dante and Vergil wouldn't want to be the man who could've killed the demon prince but didn't years later.

Umm..it's not about child, it's most about that Vergil shoot her from behind in the womb, waited couple of seconds and only than shoot her in the head. (honestly i dunno how much money capcom payed to sleaze past 18+ rating)

 

[Demi-fiend]

Both. Series. Shot. Demonic. Women. And their offspring.

That's all there is to it.

 

[Blue_Rose]

Too many ignorant souls to fill with light...not enough time.

As long as our voices don't crack when we fill the souls with light, then they'll be happy.

Umm..it's not about child, it's most about that Vergil shoot her from behind in the womb, waited couple of seconds and only than shoot her in the head. (honestly i dunno how much money capcom payed to sleaze past 18+ rating)

He needed the fact that Mundus had no heir to sink in.

 

[Innsmouth]

well I don't remember Dante shooting somebody from behind, than satisfy himself for a few minutes after that and than killing her.

He needed the fact that Mundus had no heir to sink in.

Well he could've just kill her. No fuss no muss, but hey they needed to give a reason why this game called "for adults"

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Umm..it's not about child, it's most about that Vergil shoot her from behind in the womb, waited couple of seconds and only than shoot her in the head. (honestly i dunno how much money capcom payed to sleaze past 18+ rating)

The point of contention has been about a "pregnant woman" being shot in the womb and then the head. It's pejoratively known as the "abortion scene" - so yeah, it's about the child. Vergil's involvement isn't as important to the whole thing as what happened in it. The complaints regarding Vergil is that he used a gun, which only served a purpose for him, in the same way it did when he used Ebony in DMC3.