Legendary Darkslayer
The Roguedemonhunter
I think Nero is Sparta reincarnated. I think that makes more sense imo.
Legendary Darkslayer;261637 said:I think Nero is Sparta reincarnated. I think that makes more sense imo.
Darth Angelo;261324 said:I still think Vergil had forced himself into such a demons mindset not only did he see the idea of a family as a silly distraction he also saw sex as a weakness of men and overcame it.
Don't certain people practise celibacy as part of their religion? Why couldn't a mighty son of Sparda ignore his urges?
The way I see is Vergil saw himself as a demon and demons only care for one thing, power and control.
Lexy said:CAPCOM are being this ambiguous very much on purpose, methinks...
This is exactly what they want. So we will buy the next game.
Legendary Darkslayer;261948 said:I still think that Nero being Sparda reborn makes the most sense. His coat is purple (Sparta's color), his arm has all the colors of the Sparda family (blue, red, and purple), he's in love just like Sparda was, and Berial himself said "You are just like he was". This obviously refers to Sparta, unless we're going to assume that Vergil fought him before, which is ridiculous, given that Berial hasn't been in the human world since Spartas time.
On top of all that, his story is similar to Sparta's in that he rebels against his superiors/brethren upon realizing that they're evil. He falls in love just like Sparta did, and his personality reflects what Sparta was supposedly like in the human world. His attitude in DT also sorta reflects how Sparta was like in the Demon World ("GIVE ME MORE POWER!" and all of that); i realize it could also relate to Vergil, but he's so much like Sparta already, it doesn't matter either way.
For me, if Nero turned out to Vergil's son it would ruin both characters. It would'nt really be in character of Vergil to start have a relationship (even a sexual one) until he had achieved his power. After all, in DMC3, he made the point that without power you can't protect anything, let alone yourself. He would not be able to protect his significant other(s) without his power, and they may be subjected to the terrible fate he was subjected too when he was a child.
As for Nero, storywise his character would lose potential and depth if he were just another descendant of Sparda.
Then there's the theory that he's Sparta's lost son, and that doesnt make any sense either. Mainly because if Sparda was so devoted to Eva, why would he go out and be with another woman? Furthermore, I find it unlikely that he would abandon one son in favor of the other.
Finally, there's the theory that he was created by the Order, and that's incredibly absurd, considering you think people like Agnus, Sanctus, and Credo would know about it. Especially Agnus, since he was the scientist working on all the demonic projects.
So in conclusion, Nero is Sparta reincarnated.
(imo)
Legendary Darkslayer;261950 said:Haha my pleasure. I just hope I'm right.
DreadnoughtDT;262089 said:If Nero is Vergil's son, then I will be struck by a flying TV in the next ten seconds.
Guess not.
Okay, then again, you don't have much evidence to support your theories either. There isn't much evidence for ANY theory.
DreadnoughtDT;262089 said:Okay, then again, you don't have much evidence to support your theories either. There isn't much evidence for ANY theory.
Sure I do, I just didn't present it because I wasn't promoting any theory. I was showing how the reincarnation theory is too faulty to be reasonable. Some theories are more reasonable than others, such as the clone and offspring theories, even the split Vergil and Psychodrama theory. (Last one is mine).
BTW, Sparda in human form had white hair and was described as cold like Vergil but annoying like Dante. Sounds like Nero to me.
I don't believe Sparda was ever called annoying, and Nero himself isn't cold at all. He's more like Dante than any other character. None of this points to Sparda, except the white hair, which the twins also share.
And you say things as if Sparda would willingly reincarnate himself. Reincarnation is not a willful thing, it just happens. The reincarnate person has no control over it. And you also lose your memories/experiences of your past life.
So he just randomly happened to reincarnate into his own bloodline on and island where they worshipped him and somehow got demonic powers?
My point was exactly that reincarnation doesn't work like that. This is the most damning fact against the theory, because it is basically impossible that Sparda would reincarnate as Nero if he had no choice in the matter. If reincarnation does exist in DMC, then Sparda is probably a regular person, who looks nothing like the twins and has no powers. He could even be an animal for all we know, or reincarnated back in Hell.
Agnus had most likely been with the Order for a long time if he'd been able to create so many demons and do so much research. That would obviously take a long time-span, so that debunks the theory of Nero being an experiment.
No, the research didn't take that long. It is implied in the game that it took a few years, after they found the Yamato and shards of Nelo's armor. This means that it has to happen some time after DMC1, at which point Nero was already alive. It is therefore highly likely that Agnus was not the head of research and development at that time, while Sanctus was still the leader of the cult. It doesn't debunk anything.
If Nero's DT ghost wasn't blue, no one would say it was Vergil's. Just because it has a blue tint doesn't mean it's Vergil's DT. Look at it, the design except for the arm sheath is completely different. You can't say it's wearing Nelo's armor either, because it's not. It's too angular, and the horns are too screwed up.
Yeah, the fact that it is blue is a huge hint that it is Vergil, as that is his established motif. It also has a variation of Vergil's leitmotif upon being revealed in the game, the sheath, summoned swords, similar type of horns, etc. Even the fuly body of it, revealed in concept art has the same structure as Vergil's DT in DMC3, with the buttwings. And no, it doesn't look like Nelo, because Nelo is not a natural DT. It looks exactly like a development of the DMC3 DT, where the Mozart hair has turned into a helmet and horns. Go compare them if you want.
One thing is for sure, it looks absolutely nothing like Sparda in any way whatsoever.
And I think you're letting your hate for Nero get in the way of some of your judgment. Such as the fact that "Sparda wouldn't get reincarnated as some whiny emo kid". Dude, the guy is f*cking 17. Cut him some slack, he's not mature yet. That's the part that f*cking ticks me off SO MUCH. Nero is YOUNGER than Dante, so OF COURSE he's not going to be as cool! Get the hell over it, people.
Believe me, I'm not. I'm just using actual logic and reason to guide me. The fact is that, even if Nero is just a kid, it would be a very stupid move for Capcom to choose him as a reincarnation of Sparda. He embodies none of Sparda's power or nobility, he is totally unexplained, and he has basically no connection to Sparda aside from having a girlfriend (I have one too, I don't think that makes me Sparda )
Berial is most likely talking about Sparda. Nero is nothing like Vergil in his DMC1 incarnation. Not at all.
It is more likely he is talking about Sparda, but it could be either. Berial would have met Vergil in Hell, not in DMC1. In any case, it isn't really evidence for Nero being like Sparda.