Welp, I went with the Despair since I don't think anyone else will.
Welp, I went with the Despair since I don't think anyone else will.
well someone has to give Despair some love :thumbsup:Welp, I went with the Despair since I don't think anyone else will.
Welp, I went with the Despair since I don't think anyone else will.
Did you not see my previous post where I stated how I had no idea how I was going to pick between the first 3? Well, that's how I decided, by merit of been unloved.But which one would you really have picked?
Or still confused?
So, it was out of despairation?
You mean kinda like in Flashpoint paradox, where in an alternate timeline Bruce Wayne died instead of his parents.these two no matter the universe, are destined to fight (symbolically considering its alternate universes)
is that a real comic or a fan comicIs that even a question?
The deity of demonkind, the insurmountable force of nature whose presence was shrouded on an island lost in time and location for thousands of years, who remained the constant enemy of the Sparda Bloodline---and all of his lineage---whose sheer presence creates and undoes demon creations on a whim, a dark shadow that blots out all matter, and literally drags Dante to do battle in time, space, and hell itself...
...or a disgruntled doppelganger whose motives are shrouded in incompetent shoddiness, even in the game's final moments.
This might as well be a competition between a flea and a dragon.
Mundus is the demon of demons, the final obstacle to Dante's journey to surpass his father, and far and away Dante's true nemesis...in every continuity. He almost wins by default.
This is (or was) the Devil May Cry comic series by Pat Lee, before it was essentially rendered non-canon. To date, it is one of the few non-manga projects with the Devil May Cry logo on it....something I really wish wasn't the case.is that a real comic or a fan comic
i looks like it was drawn by a Spawn artist
man that video makes DMC 2 look allot better then it isMy vote goes to Despair Embodied just became he came out as a surprise! There were no indication/reference on who or what the final boss was going to be. Of course I thought it would be Arius, but the game continued after Dante gave him his deserving "crown," yet became final boss for Lucia. Then you thought the blob of previous bosses would be the final battle, and boom. This gender switching demon hatches from the blob and challenges you to a fight.
And this.
Ah, not really. Spawn comics are more unique looking, and no it's not official comic, it got canned after 3 issues.is that a real comic or a fan comic
i looks like it was drawn by a Spawn artist
I disagree immensely. Mundus is the sole reason Dante took up demon hunting in the first place---he's the cause behind Eva's vanquishing, which, to my knowledge, is the single motivation behind Dante's dedication to the craft in the first place, as he states in the very first game:Mundus was more Sparda's nemesis than Dante's in the lore, although there's bad blood between the two cause of Dante's lineage. Also, their fight was just a "one-shot", so to speak. They face each other, Dante wins, Mundus is sealed away once more and will not be seen again in the games. The end.
Not really. Vergil was never really the Loki to Dante's Thor...simply because, while Vergil had motives of his own (as poorly-explained and painfully-alluded as they were), Dante didn't have any properly-conveyed motives at all. Seriously, that's not an exaggeration. Dante literally says that he isn't fighting because of some obligation to familial duty or to the world, but just because:It's clear to me that Vergil's Dante's nemesis. The two of them meet and fight multiple times during both DMC1 and 3. They're polar opposite to one another and believe in opposite values, and chose opposite paths.
Alright, that I can get behind...because the way Sparda's power works was heavily tied to the emotional versatility of a human being in DMC4, as Nero even states.Dante believes in humanity and fights demons and doesn't really gush over Sparda's figure, Vergil only considers demonic power worth something, for that reason he wants to emulate his father and seeks Sparda's power (without realizing that that power comes from humanity) and eventually, in DMC1, ends up becoming part of the demonic ranks, as opposed to Dante fighting them.
That last part...They fuel each other's motivation: Vergil sees Dante as weaker than him, despises his beliefs in what's human and that's more reason for him to believe what he believes,
Again, WHERE is this in the actual game? When does he openly decry the status of the world under Vergil's rule? Because as far as I can tell, Dantes's only real objection to Vergil taking over is the statement: "What are you going to do with all that power?" (Which, after displaying extreme laid-back behavior on the matter for almost the entire game, makes no sense for such a switch in concern and motivation to happen, even after that vaguely-jabbed implication with beating Lady and "knowing what [he] has to do now", which he still doesn't explain properly")Dante despises Vergil (on the surface) and his convictions, his goal, and what the world would be if he reaches it, and that's more reason for him to fight the blue-coated brother.
It made more sense in that narrative, because Vergil fulfilled his role as the traitor. THAT was a conflict of siblings---they directly confronted each other on what they were planning to do now that Mundus was defeated (instead of making awkward implications through horrid dialogue), they recognized each other's flaws that would directly disrupt the flow of each other's plan...it literally played out like a confrontation between companions turned mortal enemies, like Moses and Ramses, or Thor and Loki, Magneto and Xavier.Even in DmC, they replicated the concept and the situation is about the same: Mundus is the one who ruined Dante's family, and he goes against him for revenge and dispatches him, but who's the ultimate villain in the end? Who's established as Dante's actual nemesis?
A "one-shot death"? I don't think so. Just because it wasn't drawn out to absurdity three times like the Vergil duels in DMC3, doesn't in any way detract from its signifcance---especially when this one fight had more build-up, tension, and emotional investment than nearly ALL the Vergil fights combined
Dante literally says that he isn't fighting because of some obligation to familial duty or to the world, but just because:
"I just don't like you."
That last part...
At what point in the game does Vergil verbalize this? No, really...I'm genuinely curious.
Again, WHERE is this in the actual game?
That was a duel with actual weight behind it. All three battles in DMC3 had all the weight, tension, and symbolism of a TV Ad: no proper context, no connection to the characters, and absolutel, 100%, no reason to care which one wins or loses. That is the textbook definition of a fight without weight to it.
I guess that's where you and I differ immensely on how we view the outcome of the story.and that's another thing I liked about their confrontations: yeah they're deadly swordfight duels, but every time before it starts, they're like doing a typical bickering between brothers, with their sarcastic banters, kinda like the same I used to do with my little bro when I was younger, which adds to the characterization of their brotherly rivalish relationship)
That's literally what bothers me the most.As for the third one, he's more aware there, witnessing Lady's personal family struggle with Arkham and his evil deeds made him care more about the concept of family, about what's right and what's wrong. It's not a party anymore, he knows it and he gets in the battle more determined than he was in both the first and the second (Vergil instead, kinda follows an opposite direction: more focused in the first fight, more mistakenly reckless in the last one).
And that's my problem, as stated above. That's an extremely poor route for a narrative to take, especially when between the fights themselves, there isn't any real substance or narrative drive at all.Every battle is a step, so every battle is significant and acts as part of the build-up to the last one (being an action game, I find this to be the best kind of build-up to the final showdown for this type of game). Basically, the whole game build up to the final fight.
I was talking mainly about your claim about Vergil holding Dante's beliefs about humans in low regard. From what I understand, he only seemed to protest Dante as the weaker, less ambitious brother...unworthy of the Sparda bloodline. How he hates the way that Dante views humans is something I swear he never vocalizes or alludes to at all in-game....It's no secret Vergil doesn't really hold human values and emotions in high regard. Anyway, I covered it in my post waaaaaay back then during thatflame wardiscussion about Vergil in the DmCDE thread.
Good, good...Meh. If you say so. I disagree on everything.
See, that's something I noticed with a lot of people. It seems like everyone's under the impression that Dante and Vergil's conflict just sporadically starts at the end of the game.Especially the last phrase, I felt exactly that way in DmC. I found the whole Dante vs Vergil confrontation in DmC to hold a lot less weight than in DMC3, felt kinda shoehorned and rushed, as if the devs thought they HAD to put Dante against Vergil, because it was done in DMC1 and 3.
I'd argue the exact same for the Dante and Vergil fights in DMC3, what with the dialogue and lack of any pre-made tension or narrative build....but you already know that story.It's not like it's a bad thing in itself, but to me, didn't feel properly set up. Not to mention what Vergil comes off as in the Mundus fight... that's hardly a good build-up, as I see it. As cool as the beginning of the fight is (you know, when they face each other with that music in the background).
Foxy, boy, this isn't bickering. The kind of relentless insulting and shrieking I have to do with certain individuals on this site is "bickering."But again, to each his own.To be clear, I didn't want to start a bickering with you (like Dante and Vergil, eh? LOL). Just wanted to express my view on it (not saying you didn't want to do the same). It's not that I don't find your points valid, or legitimate (hopefully the sentiment is mutual), I'm sorry if I came across that way, it's just that I don't see it that way, just as much as you don't see it my way. I mean, in the end, what're you gonna do?
We already have, I believe. No hostility here.Fine. Guess we differ a lot in how we perceive a narrative. Where you see nothing, I see stuff. And where I see nothing, you see stuff.
That's how I see it but you see it differently and I believe both our views are valid. Cause they're both backed up with reasonable arguments. Can we safely agree on that?
Not all of them. There seems to be this belief where some incompetently-told forms of fiction can get a free pass because they're written in a style and a manner reflected through combat, in a very Eastern fashion.I see a lot of character through action type of characterization (a technique apparently very dear to eastern writers and directors).
Hey, that's all that matters to me.However, the sole fact that we do hold such opinions means that there is, in fact, stuff in DMC3 and DmC that supports them (I mean, I think neither of us considers the other someone who makes stuff up outta nowhere), otherwise we wouldn't think what we think, right? And whatever our grudges towards those games might be, we gotta give them some credit because of it. And ya know what? I think this is the very point we can agree on, as reasonable people.