Kamiya wants to rock with Capcom
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I find it really weird, because main room in Castle more like police station in RE2 and considering that you spend 90% of time in mansion in RE, while in DMC you also have places outside of it and much more open spaces in general, i think it's kinda weird. Besides Remake was made after DMC, so even if it features some similarities it would have been other way around.
He was only adviser in Onimusha meaning he wasn't in core team. Also Rygar features secluded island filled with monsters as well.
Umm Rygar? traveling secluded island filled with mythological beasts, doing special missions and having fixed camera angles? That doesn't sound same as DMC? I played game and it much more like DMC.
Wait you try to say Dante is like Chris? or like Jill? or like Regina? Because as somebody who played most of RE game and all DMC games, they don't have anything in common. Dante was always over the top character and mikami's character rarely act over the top. With lot of pathos, yes, but none of this 80s style action hero like.
You forgetting, that at the time, Kamiya, Sugemura, Mikami worked as one team. But both Mikami and Kamiya directed their projects, and i give them credit when they wrote their concepts. For example both God Hand and Vanquish doesn't look or play like Mikami's works. Instead they much more like Inaba's projects, but they were directed and created by Mikami, so Mikami deserves credit for them.
Fallout 2 and 3. Darkness 1 and 2. Darksiders 1 and 2. Castlevania. MGS 1 and 3. Most of franchises playing and feeling different with new games. As far as i can remember its pretty normal practice.
He was only adviser in Onimusha meaning he wasn't in core team. Also Rygar features secluded island filled with monsters as well.
Umm Rygar? traveling secluded island filled with mythological beasts, doing special missions and having fixed camera angles? That doesn't sound same as DMC? I played game and it much more like DMC.
Wait you try to say Dante is like Chris? or like Jill? or like Regina? Because as somebody who played most of RE game and all DMC games, they don't have anything in common. Dante was always over the top character and mikami's character rarely act over the top. With lot of pathos, yes, but none of this 80s style action hero like.
You forgetting, that at the time, Kamiya, Sugemura, Mikami worked as one team. It's hard to tell who influenced whom and in what amount. But both Mikami and Kamiya directed their projects, and i give them credit when they wrote their concepts. For example both God Hand and Vanquish doesn't look or play like Mikami's works. Instead they much more like Inaba's projects, but they were directed and created by Mikami, so Mikami deserves credit for them.
Yes but after RE1,5 fiasco, Sugemura was taken on board to clear them, since executives weren't pleased with Mikami's decisions.
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Dude, I think we should call it quits. We're taking up the entire page. Let's just end it there.
Here's my position on the whole Kamiya making another DMC with Capcom. Kamiya knows action. I don't know if he will be able to recreate the experience that was DMC1 but with a more updated combat system. It won't be the horror-action the first was, it won't be as sincere, I suppose would be the word, as DMC1 since it will probably be closer to what Bayonetta and DMC4 are, which are all silly and somewhat... cartoonish, and often rather... I don't want to say convoluted... unclear? But the action would just be outstanding. I'm sure after all these years the staff of P* who worked on DMC1 have compiled a whole lot of ideas for that sequel they'd make out of DMC.
ok, I agree.
As for me, I just want DMC5 from any of those people. Mikami, Kamiya, Itsuno, Inaba. Just make it happen T_T
Outside of issues with Kamiya's character, the other complaint seems to be concerns about storytelling, of whether or not he would respect/build on came after DMC1 etc.
That is a valid complaint but honestly that's a concern we'll have with any new writer as DMC is very disconnected which makes the flaws in the writing more apparent and more worrying (which is the argument for the pro-reboot crowd years back).
There isnt an easy answer to this outside of just creating a good story and/or resolving an old one so maybe just pairing him up with a seasoned writer like Kazuhige Nojima of KH/FF fame who could tackle those problems head on.
Im not totally against him soft rebooting it (kicking out everything after 1) but that would depend on what he does after. Maybe bringing in the creative team from the two light novels and giving them DMC2 and free reign in remaking DMC2 would be ideal?
That is a valid complaint but honestly that's a concern we'll have with any new writer as DMC is very disconnected which makes the flaws in the writing more apparent and more worrying (which is the argument for the pro-reboot crowd years back).
There isnt an easy answer to this outside of just creating a good story and/or resolving an old one so maybe just pairing him up with a seasoned writer like Kazuhige Nojima of KH/FF fame who could tackle those problems head on.
Im not totally against him soft rebooting it (kicking out everything after 1) but that would depend on what he does after. Maybe bringing in the creative team from the two light novels and giving them DMC2 and free reign in remaking DMC2 would be ideal?
i think the best compromise for that would be for him to not even touch the other material. To simply ignore it, not to confirm it or deny it. To not bring any focus to it. Simply focus on Dante and maybe Trish and leave the rest of everything out of everything,
Having Kamiya near DMC5 would make me uneasy, because no matter how much I trust him to deliver with the gameplay aspect of the game, I wouldn´t do it with the characters. I think of BAYONETTA and it gives me
nightmares.
@berto and @Z218
If he were to make the game, the easiest and non threatening way would be to not touch the existent canon, I agree with that. Even so, he has to deliver a story and the way the characters are portrayed could still spoil the whole game for me.
If he were to "slightly" reboot some content, I wouldn´t be against the material from the novels to be included, as I think they are wasted potential, especially the first one.
Also, as much as I adore Vergil, I wouldn´t mind having to fight the evil corrupted twin, instead of the scared and spoiled one.
nightmares.
@berto and @Z218
If he were to make the game, the easiest and non threatening way would be to not touch the existent canon, I agree with that. Even so, he has to deliver a story and the way the characters are portrayed could still spoil the whole game for me.
If he were to "slightly" reboot some content, I wouldn´t be against the material from the novels to be included, as I think they are wasted potential, especially the first one.
Also, as much as I adore Vergil, I wouldn´t mind having to fight the evil corrupted twin, instead of the scared and spoiled one.
But that leaves us with the same problem we've had since DMC3, of them ignoring the problems that DMC2 had storywise and never resolving it, which the series would have been better off had they just resolved DMC2's problems in 3 rather than jumping back in 3 only to jump forward again in 4.
Granted alot of complaints with the series (2, the anime, etc) just come down to the stories not written well or interesting so if we can have a standalone tale that builds on what came before/what we know about the series, characters, plot,world etc in a meaningful way, then it might be alright.
It be best tho to give him his own little corner, to either create a new cast or flesh out an old one( like Sparda).
Well thats why I said to give him another writer(s) to balance it.
TBH the second light novel is easier to keep as it doesnt contradict anything and a boon since it gives you a way to crossover into other series. The first light novel is harder as it produces a different Dante/Vergil that doesn't match with DMC3's portrayal of either and it would be jarring to see one go from the other.
You could rewrite DMC3 to include the light novel as what happened a year ago but thats better off in adapting to live action or animaion. Best bet for the games themselves would be to stick it between 3 and 1 as less changes would be made.
LOL its funny how all this thread did was convince me that mikami should be the one to direct DMC 5 as clearly itsuno's DMC just isn't atmospheric enough and kamiya is more used to making just goofy games like bayonetta that i fear kaimya may actually make dante even more sillier than he was in DMC4!
DMC 1 dante is more or less written like RE 2's leon with superpowers(i swear when dante gives his heroic speeches it reminds me of Leon's monologue in RE 2)so its interesting to see how kamiya views dante as a character does he still view him as just RE2 Leon with super powers? and if he views dante simply as an "OTT stylish wacky devil hunter" its just DMC 4 dante all over again!
DMC 1 dante is more or less written like RE 2's leon with superpowers(i swear when dante gives his heroic speeches it reminds me of Leon's monologue in RE 2)so its interesting to see how kamiya views dante as a character does he still view him as just RE2 Leon with super powers? and if he views dante simply as an "OTT stylish wacky devil hunter" its just DMC 4 dante all over again!
Not really... it plays pretty much the same as RE 2 it was cancelled because there were more zombies on screen bringing the overall poly count down and also the realistic police station was the opposite of what mikami wanted which was a giant mansion and we can also assume that mikami also didn't like how RE 1.5 "too conclusive" in terms of story.
kamiya was ALWAYS the director of RE 2 mikami was just there to supervise the development and mikami has this nasty habit of cancelling games he did that again with RE 4 betas that game has like 5 versions.
Ah ok, i just heard he had deeper involvement with one build than with the other
Eh... doesn't mean we can't share our thoughts on it.
What are you expecting me to say?That people don't know Kamiya only did DMC1?!
Kamiya kisses people's backsides when he is interested, but definitively those idiots who, after all these years,are incapable of understanding the guy just made DMC1, are beyond my belief.
With Kamiya, "been there, done that".
Give some more days and the guy is telling everyone to f*** off.
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@Foxtrot94 Yeah, because Kamiya has never been a mayor troll, who has a thing for teasing DMC fans and stirring the waters. Bad blood there. A lot of it.