I just want to point you out that DMC1 producer was Kobayashi. Not Mikami. Mikami is producer of RE franchise and he left to do it afterwards. So Mikami wasn't in DMC1 team.
Executive producer, mate. He is both credited and proud of his work on it. Remember that Kamiya is a scary cat and doesn't do horror and the only horror Kobayashi has ever made was with Mikami, because if Kobayashi had more influence on DMC1 than Mikami did why does it feel like RE game and not a SB like DMC4 does? Because no other Kamiya or Kobayashi games have that atmosphere that Mikami did so well. Just play the RE Remake HD and tell me if the games are not of the same vein.
He was involved as long as it was connected to RE. He was busy making RE afterward.
Where did you hear that? Mikami was still discussing DMC1 well into the name change. He introduced the game and promoted it. It's not like he said 'not RE, not my problem.' You are right that Mikami was also directing RE:Remake but all the more to note the similarities of both games.
Original scenario was written by Sugimura, not by Mikami.
And you think the project's executive producer gets no input into the matter? It's true that Suguimura's influence on the plot and many of the elements are obvious, just look at Haunting Ground, But Mikami also played a big part on the game and on Dante and Trish's final product.
Kamiya rewritten it, after Mikami insisted that it shouldn't be what it was. Sugimura created Tony Redgrave. Which Kamiya later rewritten in Dante and added Divine Comedy references. So Dante as a final draft was defined and made by Kamiya.
Ok, where did you hear all of this? You make it sound like you were there.
Here are the facts as we know them. DMC starts out as RE4. The prototypes revolved aroun a treasure hunter at one point and a cop at some other point. Tony Redgrave is the main character who has a partner named Aisha. Kamiya and Sugimura are said to have writen the story, details of how it all went down, who wrote what when how, are not known to me. Well into production Mikami suggests to Kamiya a name change, which Mikami claims he had to be sneaky about so that Kamiya will be more receptive to the idea. Mikami promotes the game in
2001's Sony E3 conference and interviews since Kamiya only really starts becoming vocal about his games with the media during his work in Okami, except for a rare interview here or there. DMC1 releases in 2001 crediting Kamiya as director, Kobayashi as Producer, Mikami as Executive Producer, and special thanks to Sugimura for Technical Cooperation.
I've never heard anyone ever mention the sequence of events playing out as you've just described them, but if you have a source I'd love to see it (I'm not being sarcastic here, I really would).
(and honestly by this logic you can write off all character creators, except maybe Kojima who contributed to pretty much all parts of MG)
The notion that a character isn't made by a single person? You think only one guy gets credit and other who had and hand don't get to make a similar claim? I never implied that Kamiya didn't create Dante, simply that he didn't do it alone and that Mikami had more influence on his final rendition because I've played just about every Shinji Mikami game and I've played most Hideki Kamiya games and I can tell that Mikami's characters have more in common with Dante of DMC1 than Kamiya's do, and that's all I've been insinuating. You can list off character traits and list why they are similar but it's the general way they talk, the way they carry themselves, and the overall archetypes are more Mikami than Kamiya. I never meant to imply that Kamiya was not Dante and Trish's creator, that was not my intention, simply that it wasn't just him alone.
You know that those characters weren't made by Mikami? They were written by Sugimoto.
Who is Sugimoto? If you mean Sugimura he died in 2005, why does he get credit for all Shinji Mikami characters? Also, he wasn't even involved with RE1 or 4 nor Vanquish, or PN03 or GodHand. Granted, it's possible that he created Leon and Ada but their portrayal in 2 and 4 are very different, 4 has more in common in terms of characters to DMC1 than RE2 does. Still, I've played my fair share of Sugimura games, too, and I can tell you that, while he certainly has influence on characters and script his characters are rarely defined as Dante-sque, there are one or two but for the most part they are more like RE2's characters. That's not to say that they are not, his influence, from what I can see, is very notable in Dante, mostly in the dialogue.
Still, let's say for the sake of argument that you are right, that out of all the people involved in Dante's creation only one should be considered the creator. What does that change, exactly? Let's say Kamiya is the sole creator of Dante and Trish and no one else. Mikami and Sugimura's influence is still palpable and without them it's not going to be the same. The point of this whole thread is that the director of DMC1, one of Dante's creators, wants to help Capcom kick ass with next iteration (is what we are assuming, I still think that he might be after a different franchise since he's expressed more interest in them than DMC, which he's sworn off a few times in the past). That kind of implies that there'll be a deeper connection with the original than with the newer games but like I've been saying, Kamiya alone didn't make the character, didn't make the action alone, and didn't make the game alone so it won't be like the original, even in terms of character. In terms of been better or worse everyone has a thick opinion on the matter, don't we?
At least all RE2 character were. Actually plot of RE2 was made by Kamiya. He also had arguments with Mikami on it, but Mikami later stepped down. So I once again point that Kamiya has very diverse characters portfolio.
First of all, don't forget that RE2 has 2 versions, one of which wasn't released because Capcom felt it wasn't up to par with the original, which seemed to be too action heavy and so it got reworked from the ground up to be horror. Second, Kamiya doesn't like horror, he's mentioned it on more than one occasion and so who do you think of the two is the one who would make it in to a horror game? I've never heard of Mikami stepping down but unlike DMC, RE has a lot of people who have all the info on how things went down so I'm sure looking it up won't be as big a hustle.
Because yes
@berto, when it comes to collaborations, a person's attitude CAN have an impact on the final product.
Granted, but results speak more than the personal politics that go on during development so as long as they deliver, which they did with 1, arguments and disagreements are nothing more than stories for us to gossip about.
This guy insulted everyone, DMC, it's fans, Capcom and now, from nowhere, he is kissing Capcom's backside? You know people don't change, don't you? This behavior is scary and alarming!
Fans and those on Tweeter there is nothing to say, telling people to f***-off is not right, even if they are bombarding you with the same message over and over again, since you can just ignore them and move on. In that he should've been more professional because he represented P* as a key employee.
As for Capcom I've never heard of him insult them. When was this? Still, Kamiya and the people at Capcom, unlike us, are friends. They meet and talk and hang out. We don't know how things are between them at any given point. For all we know they had dinner the other day and told jokes all night. We only see this from the tweeter side which isn't reflective of the actual status of their relationships.
All over the years, even in interviews: he made fun of DMC and whatever work Capcom had done with the franchise
What is it that he said? I've never heard him 'insult' the franchise. I've heard him say that he'd never go back to it because one someone else made alterations it didn't feel like it was his anymore, even compared it to a girlfriend that got fooled into going with someone else and he complained about the dice game in DMC4 a lot, which we've all done. What else has he said about DMC or it's staff that's got everyone so upset?
Umm first I want to point you that he probably wasn't talking about DMC.
It was DMC. It was back in the days that Bayonetta was in the making. He said something around the lines of not wanting the girl back because he's got to focus on his new girl.
This sounds a lot like something those DmC fans who defended Tameem's comment about DMC not being cool anymore would say, but now the tables have turned and now it's the defense of Kamiya's bull over the years and calling it "over-exaggeration".
ironic.
In this case it's true. Kamiya isn't the only one who complained about the behavior of the executives at Capcom. We've seen their way of handling the company and they almost went broke. It's not as though we've never said anything bad about anyone ever. Still, that guy really needs to get off tweeter, he's really not handling it in the best possible manner. Capcom corporate aside he's leaving a bad impression with some of the comments he posts in response to things when he looses patience.
Still, you got to give the guy credit, he was one of the people who showed his support to NT when they were getting bombarded with negative fan mail and attention. Not as though
everything he posts on Tweeter is bad.
so i guess the question is, if it comes down to kamiya or no DMC which is it?
That's not the situation at all. Kamiya simply said he wants to rock with Capcom. His involvement in it in no way will determine a sequel or a lack there of.
To answer the hypothetical conundrum, though, (even if DMC5 was to be made with or without him) I'd vote for with because if anything the guy know action. He might be a scary cat, he might be hard to work with (or was, haven't heard any complains from people his worked with in the last 13 years, just DMC), and he might not know how to behave himself in tweeter as a representative of a company, but he makes good games, no question about that.
Where exactly has he criticised DMC4?
Dice game.
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Igshh.
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I'm tapping out of this one. I just wrote an essay without even realizing it. I'd best just leave this as is before I have posts long enough to publish.
