DmC Overhype
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berto
I Saw the Devil
Let's say that no one ever insulted the fans,that Tameen never said he didn't care that fans didn't like or whatever it was that he didn't care about. That still won't change the idea that people feel insulted and that is going to affect perseptions and sales. It doesn't help that there are so many things that both Capcom and NT have said that are very contradicting, it makes it seem like they are making things up as they go and that seems like lying. Top it off with the constant reminders that they think my favorite series is garbage and that they are handeling it and I personally am no trilled with them, ether, and I'm sure others aren't ether. Were they just some developers with an opinion, that be one thing, but since they have their paws on it their opinions of it make an impact on it that extends beyond just expressing their opinions.
CheeseKao
Lord Cheesington
This more a pet peeve of mine but why the hell is there a word such as over-hyped?
Call of Duty-Overhyped
Skyrim-Overhyped
Halo-Overhyped
Uncharted-Overhyped
and now DmC-Overhyped
Do we really live in a time where we can't be excited for something because someone else isn't and vice-versa? Someone likes something, they write something good about it. Someone doesn't like something, they write something bad about it. As long as their arguments are sound, why should anyone attack them? I get what TC is trying to say but who is to say that their thoughts about the game is genuine or fake? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt is a crucial part of in being in a community with people you don't know.
Call of Duty-Overhyped
Skyrim-Overhyped
Halo-Overhyped
Uncharted-Overhyped
and now DmC-Overhyped
Do we really live in a time where we can't be excited for something because someone else isn't and vice-versa? Someone likes something, they write something good about it. Someone doesn't like something, they write something bad about it. As long as their arguments are sound, why should anyone attack them? I get what TC is trying to say but who is to say that their thoughts about the game is genuine or fake? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt is a crucial part of in being in a community with people you don't know.
Exactly where and when did they insinuate that the old DMC games were garbage?
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
I'm with CheesKao, they've never said that the DMC games were garbage. They said more than a few times that they love the series, and have a lot of reverence for it. That's as bad an insinuation as saying they outright insulted fans.
Regardless, the idea of feeling insulted and actually being insulted are two very different cases, and if they feel insulted, I'm sorry, but that's their own problem. They should learn to be less sensitive and put on their big boy pants. You feeling hurt isn't something that they can control, and they can't just be forced to apologize for things they didn't do.
Let's also not forget that while Tameem Antoniades is just doing his job and making a game he was hired to make, it's the fans that really owe him an apology. Some of the things he's dealt with from around the 'net is really low, and makes me really ashamed to be a DMC fan for how he's being treated. Luckily, he's not a whiny jerk and he just lets the stuff roll off.
Regardless, the idea of feeling insulted and actually being insulted are two very different cases, and if they feel insulted, I'm sorry, but that's their own problem. They should learn to be less sensitive and put on their big boy pants. You feeling hurt isn't something that they can control, and they can't just be forced to apologize for things they didn't do.
Let's also not forget that while Tameem Antoniades is just doing his job and making a game he was hired to make, it's the fans that really owe him an apology. Some of the things he's dealt with from around the 'net is really low, and makes me really ashamed to be a DMC fan for how he's being treated. Luckily, he's not a whiny jerk and he just lets the stuff roll off.
CheeseKao
Lord Cheesington
Everyone should already know what the user score in metacritic is going to be.
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
Yeah...the metacritic score isn't going to be a very good indicator, because it's fairly obvious that the "slighted" fans are going to attack the hell out of it :s And if it's professional score is at all good, people are going to instantly claim that they were all paid off...
scionicspectre
Well-known Member
Even Vergil would have to smile at that.
berto
I Saw the Devil
Well, they certainly never seem to put it on a positive light. Yeah, they say that they are fans, that they love it which is why they feel the need to be condesending every chance they get. You know what I mean when I say 'garbage,' and I don't have to go find a quote every time I summerize or use an expression. If they didn't think it was crap they wouldn't feel the need to constantly remind us that their work is somehow superior to the other as oppose to just talking about it as it's own entity. A legion of interviews that constantly say 'ours is better because' is not praize to the one been used to raise the other one above it, now is it?
If it's not cool, if you think the protagonist couldn't walk into a bar without been laughed out, if compaired toa scene from fight club the character look ridicilious, if it's not fun because it puts so much emphesis on getting through without taking damage, if it was great then but not now, then what is it that they love about it? And what does that say about what they think of those of us that like it?
But you're right, it's childish to feel insulted over something as tribial as video games. They have no real world impact and it's nether true nor a tool for self improvement. Just as talking about it serves no real purpose but wasted time. Yet here we are.
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
I've never really heard them sound condescending, and I really don't know what you mean by "garbage" :s they aren't constantly reminding us they're work is superior either. I haven't seen one interview that shows that at all. While I have heard them say the same things constantly, that's because they are responding to the same questions they get over and over again with the same answer they give.
And their love for the series and what they are doing with DmC are a bit different. They were asked by Capcom to make a more contemporary, westernized Devil May Cry, so that's what they are doing. Tameem even says it in the newest interview here that Capcom said that if they wanted DmC to be like the others, they would have just made a DMC5 themselves, but no, they came to NT for a specific purpose; a more narrative-driven, westernized DMC. For the direction Capcom wants DmC to take, they couldn't just keep all that stuff, hence the justifications about "coolness" and Dante's style. Just because I love me some pepperoni pizza doesn't mean I can't make a different kind when someone asks me to.
They've also never said anything along the lines of "it's not fun because it puts so much emphasis on getting through without taking damage."
It also says nothing about what they think of us, because it has no relevence on how they feel about the series versus what they were tasked to create.
And their love for the series and what they are doing with DmC are a bit different. They were asked by Capcom to make a more contemporary, westernized Devil May Cry, so that's what they are doing. Tameem even says it in the newest interview here that Capcom said that if they wanted DmC to be like the others, they would have just made a DMC5 themselves, but no, they came to NT for a specific purpose; a more narrative-driven, westernized DMC. For the direction Capcom wants DmC to take, they couldn't just keep all that stuff, hence the justifications about "coolness" and Dante's style. Just because I love me some pepperoni pizza doesn't mean I can't make a different kind when someone asks me to.
They've also never said anything along the lines of "it's not fun because it puts so much emphasis on getting through without taking damage."
It also says nothing about what they think of us, because it has no relevence on how they feel about the series versus what they were tasked to create.
CheeseKao
Lord Cheesington
So just because they say their's is better, that means the old ones suck? Like I said, prove it that they said that DmC>DMC. All they've said is that they are taking a different approach with DmC as compared to DMC.
He was talking about his looks, his LOOKS. Do you really care about what other people think about how DMC Dante looks? It's called an opinion and everyone is allowed to have one. You don't agree with it? Fine, just don't think your opinion is better than anyone else's. They think that DMC Dante doesn't look cool. You think that he does. Nobody asked you to agree with them. MOVE ON.
I'm assuming English isn't your first language due to your wonky sentence structure and spelling. Your lack understanding of the English language could be why you think they're saying something else when they really aren't. If English is your first language then ignore this.
berto
I Saw the Devil
Because when they talk about the original it's almost never with any sence of admiration nor any minor hit of respect. Out of all the interviews, all the articles, I've only ever heard Tameem say anything possitive about the original franchise only twice.
You want proof now. I don't think so. I am tired of wasting hours of my time having to track down videos and documentation only to get a 'oh' as a responce. Too little reward for been right. Besides, I already gave a list right above of the one that came of the top of my head, that's as intricate as I'm going to get.
Yes, I do care because his opinion makes an impact on it. If it was some person off the street or a buddy of mine, of which I have many who say the same things as Tameem, it be a different story. Why? I'm glad you asked. Because it doesn't matter what they think, they aren't making the next game in the series.
As for saying that I think my opinion is better than anyone elses? I know I say that all the time and behave like it, too, whenever we talk about anything. That I am right and everyone else is wrong because my opinions are just better than anyone and everyone elses. I'm sorry.
Seriously, though? I can't say sh!t because now I think my opinion is above everyone else's?
How passé.
I have a clunky keyboard.
I've been speaking english for more than half my life. I've been living in the united states since I was a child
so, no, I know perfectly well what was been said.
C'mon, man. You can't tell me that the constant reminder of how DMC is dated and silly looking for this and that reason and the examples that they've given are all impliying that they think the world of the games. There are interviews and articles that have headliners that say 'Why DMC isn't cool anymore' and pictures of DMC4 Dante slaped in a Fight Club picture for the explicid purpose of showing how dumb it looks orinterviews where someone would say we were looking at Dante and he looked weird.
They didn't treat it as a seperate project where they just focused on what was there or what they were doing but rather pointed at previous DMC titles and said 'You see that? That's dumb looking' then to DmC and said 'See this? This is better.'
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
It's a bit difficult to treat it as a separate project when the whole point of the project was for it to be different than the original series.
One of the main points was a different tone. DMC is wildly silly in a lot of ways, but that's part of its charm. Dante is a gigantic dork, but that's one of his endearing qualities. DmC is different. It has a more serious tone, and trying to supplant the classic, stylized Dante into that serious world, with all his flamboyance, wouldn't work well in grounding the story in its seriousness. Take a dramatic or gritty story, and give the main character a fancy pink party hat with blue stars on it. It destroys the tone. So they went with the more subdued, down-to-earth style that's still popular today.
It's really not "That was dumb and this is better," it's "That is what was, and this is what is." And when Tameem says" What was cool back then isn't cool now" he's right. DMC had a lot of stuff from the late 90s early, 2000s that people thought was cool; heavy metal and gothic sensibilities. That's not how things are now.
It could have been much worse, though. "Swag" is really popular these days, too. Dante could have worn a flat-billed cap, worn pants down past his butt, high-priced shoes, and all that other stuff that makes me want to punch people who use that word in the face
Instead, they decided to draw inspiration from the punk scene (the real one), which is still alive and kicking, and plays extremely well off of the game's tone and theme of rebellion.
One of the main points was a different tone. DMC is wildly silly in a lot of ways, but that's part of its charm. Dante is a gigantic dork, but that's one of his endearing qualities. DmC is different. It has a more serious tone, and trying to supplant the classic, stylized Dante into that serious world, with all his flamboyance, wouldn't work well in grounding the story in its seriousness. Take a dramatic or gritty story, and give the main character a fancy pink party hat with blue stars on it. It destroys the tone. So they went with the more subdued, down-to-earth style that's still popular today.
It's really not "That was dumb and this is better," it's "That is what was, and this is what is." And when Tameem says" What was cool back then isn't cool now" he's right. DMC had a lot of stuff from the late 90s early, 2000s that people thought was cool; heavy metal and gothic sensibilities. That's not how things are now.
It could have been much worse, though. "Swag" is really popular these days, too. Dante could have worn a flat-billed cap, worn pants down past his butt, high-priced shoes, and all that other stuff that makes me want to punch people who use that word in the face
Instead, they decided to draw inspiration from the punk scene (the real one), which is still alive and kicking, and plays extremely well off of the game's tone and theme of rebellion.
berto
I Saw the Devil
I didn't say it was insulting I said it was condesending.
Calling me someone with an outdated sence of hypocrisy does feel insulting, though.
I'm sorry, but we will not be agreeing in this matter. I did not feel that the things they said were without animosity for ether the fans nor the original francise. If you feel like it's all a misunderstanding that's fine, I will not try to convince you otherwise, but I don't see it like that.
PS: I remember that not too long ago there were coments about the fans obsesing on the white hair, I believe that's when this issue raised again.
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
Well, then that's your problem, sorry. You're seeing something that isn't really there, and you're letting it cloud your judgment 