DmC Overhype

[berto]

In all my years as a gamer I've seen a few very similar situations at the one been descrived where the media glorifies the game but then it comes time for reviews and they tend to be pretty average.

They will interview a game maker and they will make it seem like their game is the second comming of Christ and the interviewer will agree and say, 'yeah, that's so cool, never seen a game do that before, how amazing' and two months later they'll give it a 6 out of 10... for every fricken game ever!

So much for all that hype they had going! It seems two faced to me to have a dude come and talk about their game, show it to you, telling him it's a diamond in the rough and then actually giving him an average score. I get that that's how advertising works and reviewrs have to be truthful or loose credibility but it seems wrong to me that you'll have 'em on your show helping them spread the word and then having to tell the world 'meh' about the same product they were putting on pettastools a few weeks after effectively contradicting themselves. Previews and reviews should be handled seperatly and by two different enteties and making sure that they are devided and making sure everyone is clear on it, but that's just a pipe dream, I know that there is no way around it, it's the nature of the beast, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

 

[ZeroLove]

In all my years as a gamer I've seen a few very similar situations at the one been descrived where the media glorifies the game but then it comes time for reviews and they tend to be pretty average.

They will interview a game maker and they will make it seem like their game is the second comming of Christ and the interviewer will agree and say, 'yeah, that's so cool, never seen a game do that before, how amazing' and two months later they'll give it a 6 out of 10...

So much for all that hype they had going! It seems two faced to me to have a dude come and talk about their game, show it to you , telling him it's a diamond in the rough and then actually giving him an average score. I get that that's how advertising works and reviewrs have to be truthful or loose credibility but it seems wrong to me that you'll have 'em on your show helping them spread the word and then having to tell the world 'meh' a few weeks after contradicting themselves. Previews and reviews should be handled seperatly, I know that there is no way around it, it's the nature of the beast, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Hence why you can only trust yourself. Only you can decide for yourself if the game is any good. Only you can make a true opinion about it, an opinion that expresses how you really feel about it. Everything else is just others' words.

 

[berto]

Hence why you can only trust yourself. Only you can decide for yourself if the game is any good. Only you can make a true opinion about it, an opinion that expresses how you really feel about it. Everything else is just others' words.

Not entirely true. If you look around you will always find a reviewer who agrees with you on the gaming deparments, you just have to look for them. A few years ago it was the good folks at X-Play for me. In recent times it's been then people over at GT. For a while I was very trusting of IGN but I found that I dissagreed with their reviews a few times they gave games much lower scores than they deserve over what seemed like personal opinions rather than professional.

 

[ZeroLove]

Not entirely true. If you look around you will always find a reviewer who agrees with you on the gaming deparments, you just have to look for them. A few years ago it was the good folks at X-Play for me. In recent times it's been then people over at GT. For a while I was very trusting of IGN but I found that I dissagreed with their reviews a few times they gave games much lower scores than they deserve over what seemed like personal opinions rather than professional.

But you cannot be 100% sure if you haven't tried it yourself. Sure, you can share an opinion with others, but it won't be true if you haven't had your own hands on the game and experienced it yourself.

A metaphor: You have never eaten a potato. Another guy takes a bite of the potato and says "This is good.". You can say that the potato is good, but until you have had your own taste of it, it will just be that other guy's words you're repeating and not an opinion of your own.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

In all my years as a gamer I've seen a few very similar situations at the one been descrived where the media glorifies the game but then it comes time for reviews and they tend to be pretty average.

They will interview a game maker and they will make it seem like their game is the second comming of Christ and the interviewer will agree and say, 'yeah, that's so cool, never seen a game do that before, how amazing' and two months later they'll give it a 6 out of 10... for every fricken game ever!

I thought of G4's X-play when you said that.

 

[berto]

I thought of G4's X-play when you said that.

Yeah, that's where I saw that the most.

A metaphor: You have never eaten a potato. Another guy takes a bite of the potato and says "This is good.". You can say that the potato is good, but until you have had your own taste of it, it will just be that other guy's words you're repeating and not an opinion of your own.

Yes and if I try the patato and like it then the next time I see the guy eating grapes, which I've hypotetacly never had, and he says they're good I might trust his judgement. There might come a day when our tastes differ but for the time I can trust him to not try to pull one on me.

 

[ZeroLove]

Yeah, that's where I saw that the most.



Yes and if I try the patato and like it then the next time I see the guy eating grapes, which I've hypotetacly never had, and he says they're good I might trust his judgement. There might come a day when our tastes differ but for the time I can trust him to not try to pull one on me.

But again, you cannot be 100% sure before you actually try it yourself. Perhaps you just like some things in common while other things you disagree on... like grapes. He's not necessarily lying, it's just this opinion that "grapes" are good, but that doesn't necessarily mean you like them too, just because you both liked "potatoes".

 

[ZeroLove]

Butthurt.....seriously wow.

I don't care if DMC-Reboot succeeds or fails, i'm just wondering if this would've gotten the same attention if it wasn't standing on the backs of the DevilMayCry titles before it.

Well, this is what is happening here. People who repeat the same complaints like they did months ago, because they cannot get over it and get on with their lives. So yeah, it sucks, but what happened with forgive and forget? Accept the truth and continue living your life instead of being stuck in the same rut, brooding over the same topics. That's what I define as being butthurt... Well, it's one way of being butthurt, the other is more literal, but let's not get into that. ;P

 

[berto]

But again, you cannot be 100% sure before you actually try it yourself.

I can't be a 100% sure I won't get hit by a car when I walk out the door, but I can't live my life without some asumbtions or I'll spend more time questioning than doing. If I want to know with more certainty I'll go to other trusted sources because unlike trying chips games are far more expensive. I'm just greatful for GameStop's used game return policy.

 

[ZeroLove]

I can't be a 100% sure I won't get hit by a car when I walk out the door, but I can't live my life without some asumbtions or I'll spend more time questioning than doing.

EXACTLY! You just agreed with my point! You can only be sure if you actually go out the door! If you experience it yourself! If someone else tells you "You are gonna get hit by a car" and then you DON'T walk out the door, you can only assume you will.

If I want to know with more certainty I'll go to other trusted sources because unlike trying chips games are far more expensive. I'm just greatful for GameStop's used game return policy.

That's what demos are for, to test out the game for yourself so you can form an opinion about the game without having to pay a whole lot.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

its an unwanted reboot thats the problem before there was mention of a new dmc people were wanting a sequel to 2 finishing nero and dantes story or a game about vergil or sparda no one wanted a reboot then NT a developer that is sub-pair comes in to make the reboot and then insult old fans of the series

Please don't say that "NT insulted fans" stuff...because they didn't. I have seen no definitive proof, and what I have been shown has been extremely contrived and spun to sound bad.

And they really didn't try to "shove DmC down people's throats," but with everyone and their grandmother crying fowl and saying that DmC would be nothing like the older series, they decided to consistently show it off every chance they got, so that people could get a better understanding for the game.

 

[berto]

EXACTLY! You just agreed with my point! You can only be sure if you actually go out the door! If you experience it yourself! If someone else tells you "You are gonna get hit by a car" and then you DON'T walk out the door, you can only assume you will.

Are you out of your DAMN mind!!?? I wouldn't walkout the door for a week if someone said that to me! I'd avoid cars like a plague!

Anyway, if 42 different sources tell you a game sux are you going to stick with 'you won't know until you try' even if it costs you $60 to find out? 'Cause I'm not.

 

[meg5493]

Please don't say that "NT insulted fans" stuff...because they didn't. I have seen no definitive proof, and what I have been shown has been extremely contrived and spun to sound bad.

And they really didn't try to "shove DmC down people's throats," but with everyone and their grandmother crying fowl and saying that DmC would be nothing like the older series, they decided to consistently show it off every chance they got, so that people could get a better understanding for the game.

then please dont say that it isnt true if you havent seen it also it has Devil May Cry as its title and if its not as good as previous installments then it fails at what its trying to be and im not going to get into the story and characters

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Are you out of your DAMN mind!!?? I wouldn't walkout the door for a week if someone said that to me! I'd avoid cars like a plague!

Anyway, if 42 different sources tell you a game sux are you going to stick with 'you won't know until you try' even if it costs you $60 to find out? 'Cause I'm not.

That's what was the case for DMC2, and I played it and liked it.

 

[berto]

That's what was the case for DMC2, and I played it and liked it.

How much you'd paid for it?

 

[DragonMaster2010]

How much you'd paid for it?

...5 dollars...:ermm:

 

[berto]

...5 dollars...:ermm:

As opposed to $60 which, in other words, is not too much of a risk.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

then please dont say that it isnt true if you havent seen it also it has Devil May Cry as its title and if its not as good as previous installments then it fails at what its trying to be and im not going to get into the story and characters

I can say it isn't true, because it's not. When I say "I haven't seen it," it's because I've been shown where people supposedly do insult fans, and I saw absolutely no insults. There has been no definitive evidence of anyone, from NT or Capcom, having said anything to directly insult "the fans." The only things I have ever laid eyes is contrived bullshit where they twist people's words, or worse yet, completely disregard a word's meaning given the context of the situation. Tameem Antoniades says DMC isn't cool anymore? That's his opinion, and given the context of the discussion, he's right - for the direction Capcom wanted them to take DmC, the classic style wouldn't work.
And the biggest evidence to support that no one ever insulted the fans? The fact that no one in their right mind would go on record while being interviewed and start insulting people. They would not go around showing off their game while simultaneously telling consumers to eat a proverbial dick, and that they were all a bunch of idiots. It'd be a PR nightmare, and they'd get fired for sure. Not unless the entire company, or in this case, two companies, were perfectly fine with one of their representatives insulting consumers, which I highly doubt, because...well...it's bad for business.
The only guy to get away with something like that is David Jaffe, but that's because he just doesn't give a **** about anything >.<

 

[meg5493]

I can say it isn't true, because it's not. When I say "I haven't seen it," it's because I've been shown where people supposedly do insult fans, and I saw absolutely no insults. There has been no definitive evidence of anyone, from NT or Capcom, having said anything to directly insult "the fans." The only things I have ever laid eyes is contrived bullshit where they twist people's words, or worse yet, completely disregard a word's meaning given the context of the situation. Tameem Antoniades says DMC isn't cool anymore? That's his opinion, and given the context of the discussion, he's right - for the direction Capcom wanted them to take DmC, the classic style wouldn't work.
And the biggest evidence to support that no one ever insulted the fans? The fact that no one in their right mind would go on record while being interviewed and start insulting people. They would not go around showing off their game while simultaneously telling consumers to eat a proverbial ****, and that they were all a bunch of idiots. It'd be a PR nightmare, and they'd get fired for sure. Not unless the entire company, or in this case, two companies, were perfectly fine with one of their representatives insulting consumers, which I highly doubt, because...well...it's bad for business.
The only guy to get away with something like that is David Jaffe, but that's because he just doesn't give a **** about anything >_<

lets settle this in a neutral draw *hugs*

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Hugs are always nice.