Capcom/Ninja theory's plan was to replace Dante?

[CoolDemon]

They haven't forgotten about the "old" Dante and will probably continue DMC.
This is just an experiment, spicing the things up and testing how fans would react if the series went in other direction.
You can still play that HD collection, which they made to keep DMC canon hot.
Dante from DMC hasn't changed ffs.
He's still there and you will probably play couple more games with him.
If you don't like this character, then wait for the continuation of the canon and amuse yourself with HD collection until then.
In the meantime I'll enjoy this sweet candy of a game.

Well like many others i expected a prequel or sequel game of DMC.

A prequel showing how things went for Vergil in demon realm or Sparda family
A sequel explaining Nero

HD games will be nice but it does not provide any of that.
Just because i discuss the character Dante of DMC does not mean i believe character is only important thing in a game.

 

[Subject 64432B]

Well like many others i expected a prequel or sequel game of DMC.
A prequel showing how things went for Vergil in demon realm or Sparda family
A sequel explaining Nero

Well, you're not the only one.
But all that can be revealed just by making a series of flashbacks or a novel, don't you think?
Explaining Nero in a game would be a big fail because they would split DMC in two directions then: Nero's and Dante's and that's just baaaad.
Why did Capcom even make DMC4, what were they thinking....
If they explained Nero's story then they would have to explain Lucia's story too to make it fair and square, next is Arkham etc. etc.

 

[CoolDemon]

Let's not talk about such topics from her on. Thread is going off topic.

 

[Asmodaius]

Including Nero was generally a bad decision to begin with. If anyone should be blamed for trying to replace Dante, it should be the person who thought about making Nero the main character of DMC4.

At least it is Dante who is the main character of DmC.

 

[Pale Rider]

Okay... Tbh, I didn't read all the post carefully. So the following lines are nothing but my opinion.
I personally believe that they're related to one another because DMC was rebooted and turned into DmC which, in a way, says that it's based on DMC. So, I believe I can safely say that DmC is related to DMC (its character). For the opposite, since DMC in a parallel universe looks like DmC, DMC is related to DmC.
So yeah.. they are related to one another (and yes ..I used a common point for relating them to one another ).

Now, do I make sense or it's all utter bullshyt??

 

[CoolDemon]

Okay... Tbh, I didn't read all the post carefully. So the following lines are nothing but my opinion.
I personally believe that they're related to one another because DMC was rebooted and turned into DmC which, in a way, says that it's based on DMC. So, I believe I can safely say that DmC is related to DMC (its character). For the opposite, since DMC in a parallel universe looks like DmC, DMC is related to DmC.
So yeah.. they are related to one another (and yes ..I used a common point for relating them to one another ).

Now, do I make sense or it's all utter bullshyt??

What you said make sense. But that's not what i have been just discussing
And if you haven't realize by now the reason Capcom is calling it a parallel universe is because they are worried about sales. The parallel universe idea wasn't something that came out after a intelligent thought process, it's something that came out of their holes to save their asses.

But it's a different what you describe, and what i have discuessed:
You talk about that DMC is related to DmC because DMC is a parallel universe of DMC and other way around

What i have said is that because DmC's character is not DMC Dante but just "a Dante", and that DMC Dante and DmC Dante does not have a mutual source of inspiration like how DMC and Dante's inferno inspiration is D.C. And therefor DmC Dante is a version (Ninja theory's) of DMC Dante. And most importantly: DMC Dante is not a version of DmC Dante.

I may make a drawing to illustrate That may help!

 

[Asmodaius]

What you said make sense. But that's not what i have been just discussing
And if you haven't realize by now the reason Capcom is calling it a parallel universe is because they are worried about sales. The parallel universe idea wasn't something that came out after a intelligent thought process, it's something that came out of their holes to save their asses.

This, exactly this, is something you have absolutely no idea about. You say it as if it is a fact when this is in fact something you do not know! No one of us knows. It is only something we can ponder about.

So please, do not state your opinions as if they are facts, because they are not.

 

[CoolDemon]

This, exactly this, is something you have absolutely no idea about. You say it as if it is a fact when this is in fact something you do not know! No one of us knows. It is only something we can ponder about.

So please, do not state your opinions as if they are facts, because they are not.

I believe that it's why they called it a parallel universe. But you are right, i am being wrong for stating it as a fact.

 

[Pale Rider]

What you said make sense.

I hope you were not sarcastic.

DmC Dante
is a version (Ninja theory's) of
DMC Dante.

Agreed.

And most
importantly: DMC Dante is not a
version of DmC Dante.

I'm not at all good at explaining things but I'll try my best. Look at it in this way.
You have two DVDs - A & B. A is original and B is copied. So can't you say that B is the copied version of A? Or the other way round; A is the original version of B?
Y'know like DMC Dante is the original version of DmC Dante?

Do I make sense or again it's all bullshyt ?

 

[CoolDemon]

No, i wasn't being sarcastic at all.

You cay say that B is the copied version of A beause that's a fact. And you can also say that A is the original version of B. But what you can not say is that A is a version or a copy of B.

I am making some illustrations ready to show you. That should help. So wait for it I got leet drawing skills.
Your explanation was pretty good by the way. I get your point. Now all is left ME making my point even more clear with illustrations

 

[CoolDemon]

ABOVE: Here you see how DMC Dante being a result of inspiration taken from Divine Comedy and from Blade. And Inferno Dante is from what i know strictly based on or inspired by D.C.
But D.C is not inspired by DMC Dante. And neither is Blade inspired by DMC Dante.
What else we can see is that DmC Dante is based off DMC Dante.
But DMC Dante is not based off or taken ideas or inspiration from DmC Dante. The ideas that shaped DMC Dante came from D.C and Blade.

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BELOW: This picture illustrates that DmC and DMC are parallel to one another. If you existed in DMC universe then DmC would be parallel to your universe. And if you existed in DmC then DMC would be parallel to your universe.

Though i believe that the "parallel universe" is just a statement made because they were worried about sales (but this is not important to note - the point is).

I hope this helps

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Ok...where did Blade come from..?

 

[Pale Rider]

What else we can see is that
DmC Dante is based off DMC Dante.
But DMC Dante is not based off
or taken ideas or inspiration
from DmC Dante. The ideas that
shaped DMC Dante came from
D.C and Blade.

Who's disagreeing with you on that ??

BELOW: This picture illustrates that DmC and DMC are parallel
to one another. If you existed
in DMC universe then DmC
would be parallel to your
universe. And if you existed in
DmC then DMC would be parallel to your universe.

As far as I know, this is what others have been saying.

Did you note when Asmo said there weren't any direct links but they were indirectly related ?!

Though i believe that the
"parallel universe" is just a
statement made because they
were worried about sales (but
this is not important to note -
the point is).

Totally agree with you on this. I think the same way.


EDIT:

Ok...where did Blade come
from..?

Forgot to ask this.

 

[CoolDemon]

Who's disagreeing with you on that ??

Well Asmo said this:

They are just different versions of one another, one for each parallel universe, as it were. .

And Blade came in because Berto said that Dante's character was also influenced by a Blade. Whether that be Blade the vampire or a other Blade. I googled it and i found a thread that said "Blade and Dante is so similar", and so i googled for a Blade i didn't know. But i never found him and i assume people mean Blade the vampire because there is similar things in his character.

Blade vampire:
Guns, sword, half of two things.

But my main point has always been:
DmC and DMC character are not the same though they are alike.

 

[Subject 64432B]

Will you ever stop?
I hope this is the last post on this subject.
It's hard to keep track of new posts when you're discussing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
We have totally drained all the information we have on new Dante and thus there's nothing more to discuss about this.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Guys keep it on topic please.

Also, Blade may have some similarities with Dante, but so have D, Alucard, Vash the Stampede and who knows what else. They weren't necessarily a source of inspiration to each other. Hideki Kamiya has stated that his inspiration for DMC1 Dante was the manga Cobra. If you search it, you'll see that Cobra and especially the main character, look nothing like Dante, so Kamiya was probably talking about the character.

 

[CoolDemon]

Guys keep it on topic please.

Also, Blade may have some similarities with Dante, but so have D, Alucard, Vash the Stampede and who knows what else. They weren't necessarily a source of inspiration to each other. Hideki Kamiya has stated that his inspiration for DMC1 Dante was the manga Cobra. If you search it, you'll see that Cobra and especially the main character, look nothing like Dante, so Kamiya was probably talking about the character.

Ah, that's true. I read Blade and Cobra. Nonetheless the point with the illustration was not to say that Blade is a source of DMC. Was to explain what i was thinking to DI in a other way than text.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[berto]

Back on the pre release stage of DMC 4 the producer Hiroyuki Kobayashi had a Q&A settion where you could send in your questions and you might get lucky and he'd answer them. At the end of the interview the interviwer ask Kobayashi if there was anything he'd like to add that wasn't asked here. He he said that there is a misconception of how DMC was inspired by the Matrix, infact, it was the film Blade that gave the insperation people often think came from The Matrix.

Edit: Pardon me. I was wrong, it wasn't the fan Q&A where he said that but rather in an interview for the game:
Crispy Gamer: So, if you don't borrow from other videogames, what does inspire you?

Kobayashi: As I said, I love Hollywood action movies, but Yoji Shimomura [director of the game's cut scenes] is more into Asian action movies. You know, the kind with lots of fighting in cramped spaces. Obviously, the team overall is influenced by anime. One in particular that influenced the team -- it was a manga originally, and then became an anime -- is called 'Black Lagoon.' And naturally, we are influenced by anything with guns and swords, anything like that. One thing you might not know is that it was the movie 'Blade,' and not 'The Matrix,' that was the biggest influence on the original Devil May Cry.

Source

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Back on the pre release stage of DMC 4 the producer Hiroyuki Kobayashi had a Q&A settion where you could send in your questions and you might get lucky and he'd answer them. At the end of the interview the interviwer ask Kobayashi if there was anything he'd like to add that wasn't asked here. He he said that there is a misconception of how DMC was inspired by the Matrix, infact, it was the film Blade that gave the insperation people often think came from The Matrix.

Edit: Pardon me. I was wrong, it wasn't the fan Q&A where he said that but rather in an interview for the game:
Crispy Gamer: So, if you don't borrow from other videogames, what does inspire you?

Kobayashi: As I said, I love Hollywood action movies, but Yoji Shimomura [director of the game's cut scenes] is more into Asian action movies. You know, the kind with lots of fighting in cramped spaces. Obviously, the team overall is influenced by anime. One in particular that influenced the team -- it was a manga originally, and then became an anime -- is called 'Black Lagoon.' And naturally, we are influenced by anything with guns and swords, anything like that. One thing you might not know is that it was the movie 'Blade,' and not 'The Matrix,' that was the biggest influence on the original Devil May Cry.

Source

Incredibly interesting, I had no idea. Thanks a lot for your input

 

[CoolDemon]

Yeah nice input Berto (thanks). I guess it´s not so wrong to point to Blade as a source of inspiration for DMC