Capcom/Ninja theory's plan was to replace Dante?

[Asmodaius]

DmC isn't a whole new game. It derives from the original series, hence why there are so many likeness between the two. They haven't just used DMC as a "template", it is a direct re-interpretation of it. It is still Devil May Cry, not a whole new original game made by NT like, say, Bayonetta was.

DMC Dante and DmC Dante are basically the same character in spirit. They are just different versions of one another, one for each parallel universe, as it were. They aren't two completely different characters, like DMC Dante and 'Dante's Inferno' Dante are.

I don't know what about that which is so hard to understand. I can understand if some have a hard time accepting this though, but none the less, it's the truth. These are the facts.

 

[CoolDemon]

DmC isn't a whole new game. It derives from the original series, hence why there are so many likeness between the two. They haven't just used DMC as a "template", it is a direct re-interpretation of it. It is still Devil May Cry, not a whole new original game made by NT like, say, Bayonetta was.

DMC Dante and DmC Dante are basically the same character in spirit. They are just different versions of one another, one for each parallel universe, as it were. They aren't two completely different characters, like DMC Dante and 'Dante's Inferno' Dante are.

I don't know what about that which is so hard to understand. I can understand if some have a hard time accepting this though, but none the less, it's the truth. These are the facts.

The first Dante will always be Dante. While DmC Dante is just a bad copy.
You say "They are different versions of one an another like Dante Inferno and DMC Dante".

Dante Inferno inspiration = D.C
DMC inspiration = D.C
DmC character inspiration = DMC

Are you suggesting that DMC Dante is based off DmC´s character?
And if name is only thing that makes two different characters the same, then Capcom could put Monkey from Enslaved in DMC serie and call him "Dante".

And if you disagree that name is not the reason why two characters are the same:
Then Nero is as you say it "in spirit" the same character which is Dante.

I don´t expect you to understand me, but couldn´t you at least try to think through what your saying?

To be honest this is how I've felt since DMC4 was released.

In DMC2 for some reason they couldn't pull off Dante right so they tired another aproach to the character in 3, that one seemed to work but it seemed like a one time thing so they tried to replace him with someone that was closer to what he was, some punk ass kid.

So what do 3, 4, and DmC have in common? The protagonists are teens. Capcom is still trying to brush off the original Dante to cater to a younger audience. They couldn't really replicate DMC1 Dante's persona so they just kept trying to replace him.

I agree but because the replicate Dante(s) wasn´t appearance wise far from original Dante (DMC 1) it is easier to accept them. But if you carefully go back to who Dante of DMC is, the obvious answer is DMC 1.

 

[Asmodaius]

You say "They are different versions of one an another like Dante Inferno and DMC Dante".

No, that is exactly what I wasn't saying. Try read my post again.

'Dante's Inferno' Dante and DMC Dante are exactly two whole different characters with no connection what so ever, except that they share names.
DMC Dante and DmC Dante are the same character in spirit, but two different versions set in two different worlds that are parallel to one another.

Nero is also a whole different character, but set in the same universe of DMC Dante. Who exactly he is, no one knows, except that he shares Dante's looks.

Also, Devil May Cry is not based on the Divine Comedy. The names of the characters in DMC are, however, taken from the Divine Comedy along with other religious texts, such as Dante, Vergil, Lucia, Trish (Beatrice), Gloria etc.. The story of Devil May Cry differentiate from the Divine Comedy enough to be original from one another.

I don't know what about this you don't understand.

 

[CoolDemon]

No, that is exactly what I wasn't saying. Try read my post again.

'Dante's Inferno' Dante and DMC Dante are exactly two whole different characters with no connection what so ever, except that they share names.
DMC Dante and DmC Dante are the same character in spirit, but two different versions set in two different worlds that are parallel to one another.

Nero is also a whole different character, but set in the same universe of DMC Dante. Who exactly he is, no one knows, except that he shares Dante's looks.

Also, Devil May Cry is not based on the Divine Comedy. The names of the characters in DMC are, however, taken from the Divine Comedy along with other religious texts, such as Dante, Vergil, Lucia, Trish (Beatrice), Gloria etc.. The story of Devil May Cry differentiate from the Divine Comedy enough to be original from one another.

I don't know what about this you don't understand.

I did not say that DMC is based off D.C (if i did then i am wrong). I said DMC inspiration comes from D.C (whether that be partially or not).

And i read your post well. You said that DMC and DmC characters are different versions of one and another just like how DMC and Inferno Dante is. But by saying that it means that DMC Dante is a version of DmC Dante when the fact is that DmC character is a version of Dante. DMC Dante is not based off or a version of DmC´s character.

I asked you if name is what makes two different characters the same then you could make Monkey become the main character of DmC and call him "Dante" instead.

But if you disagree on that then surely you must then agree that what makes DmC Dante "in spirit" the same Dante is then the similarities. The sword, the gun, the demonic powers.

And if we then go based on similarities and not by name - then Nero is Dante. Nero looks like Dante, has demonic powers like him, a gun and a sword. Just the similarities that DmC supporters use to illustrate tht DmC character is Dante.

And if you believe that name plus similarities is what is needed to say "Character B that you see in Game B is actually character A from game A". But name is just a label and means little. I can stamp the name "Dante" on Mario, but he will still be Mario.

 

[Asmodaius]

*sigh*
No, that was not what I said, and no, you do not understand...

 

[Pale Rider]

I'm really lost here. Cooldemon, what exactly is your problem? Is it that this Dante is not similar to DMC Dante? Or is it that they're somewhat similar? Or both? Or neither? Or something else?
I'm confused

 

[CoolDemon]

I'm really lost here. Cooldemon, what exactly is your problem? Is it that this Dante is not similar to DMC Dante? Or is it that they're somewhat similar? Or both? Or neither? Or something else?
I'm confused

If you can please read through the start to the end of what me and Asmo discussed. I don´t really got time at the moment. If your still confused after that i will then try to explain further.

 

[Asmodaius]

@ DanTe_InCoGniTo:

I think he doesn't want to accept the facts and are making up all these theories and excuses to not to accept it.

Either way, it is as I said:

DmC isn't a whole new game. It derives from the original series, hence why there are so many likeness between the two. They haven't just used DMC as a "template", it is a direct re-interpretation of it. It is still Devil May Cry, not a whole new original game made by NT like, say, Bayonetta was.

DMC Dante and DmC Dante are basically the same character in spirit. They are just different versions of one another, one for each parallel universe, as it were. They aren't two completely different characters, like DMC Dante and 'Dante's Inferno' Dante are.

I don't know what about that which is so hard to understand. I can understand if some have a hard time accepting this though, but none the less, it's the truth. These are the facts.

But for some reason, CoolDemon insists in misunderstanding what I wrote here.

I can try and break it down one more time though, just to see if he understands. If he doesn't well, then I deem him a lost case...

DMC Dante and DmC Dante = Two versions of the same character who live in each their universe that goes parallel of one another.

'Dante's Inferno' Dante = Has absolutely nothing to do with either DMC Dante or DmC Dante than the fact they share the same name.

Nero = A character who looks like DMC Dante, but who is his very own character in the same universe as DMC Dante. Why he shares Dante's looks is yet to be explained.

Just because some characters in different games are alike does not mean they are the same, that's just pure logic. But that doesn't change the fact that DMC Dante and DmC Dante are the same character in spirit.

Again, I have no idea why that is so hard for CoolDemon to understand. It's so incredibly simple.

 

[CoolDemon]

I understand your points but the one i have yet to understand, and that we have discussed much before is:

How you can say "DmC and DMC is two versions of same character" or "DmC and DMC character are different versions of one another". You could say "DmC Dante is Ninja theory´s version of DMC Dante" but not they are versions of one another.

DMC Dante is not a version of DmC Dante
DMC Dante inspiration comes from other sources (name from D.C, Blade etc)

By saying that DMC and DmC are two versions of SAME character it means that there is a mutual character that DMC and DmC characters were based off or inspired by. For example Dante´s inferno and DMC characters are both inspired by D.C Dante though they are not different versions of eacother (DMC Dante not a version of Inferno Dante and other way around).

And with that said DMC Dante is not a version of DmC character. DmC Dante is a version of DMC Dante. One could however say that DMC Dante is a version of Blade, not that i know much about it, but just suggesting to illustrate my point even more. Like you said "Just because two characters share alot does not mean they are the same". That´s the case with DMC and DmC characters. And your explanation to that DmC character is Dante from DMC is that "in spirit" they are the same character plus they share the same name. So you have contradicted yourself as well ("Just because ...").

You say i am making up things. I am not. But one point you have made that i NOW agree to is that Nero is not Dante but i just used him as example to prove my point. The point that similar things like a sword, demon powers, guns and the name "Dante" does not make a character to DMC Dante. Because if you disagree to that then Nero could be Dante: he looks like Dante, has gun, sword and demon powers. The only thing that stops Nero from being a Dante character is the fact he has different name and is in same universe as DMC Dante.

And with name difference i want to prove that name means little. If you give Monkey from Enslaved the rebelleion, two guns, demon powers and the name Dante - does that make him DMC Dante ? No.

To sum it up:
"In spirit", name and some similarities like demon power, two guns and sword that you use to say that DmC character is DMC Dante is flawed.

"In spirit" doesn´t mean a thing. I could say "in spirit" Trip in Enslaved is Nariko from Heavenly sword. But that´s not true.

It is still Devil May Cry?
Tameem: I hope that you’ll all look at this game as a brand new work, rather than as a part of the existing series.

 

[Asmodaius]

By reading your response I can honestly say that, no, you do not understand my points. If you did understand, you would not ask the questions you do. And I rather disagree with the notion of your post.

 

[CoolDemon]

By reading your response I can honestly say that, no, you do not understand my points. If you did understand, you would not ask the questions you do. And I rather disagree with the notion of your post.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Asmodaius]

Sounds good to me.

Then let us agree to disagree. ^^

 

[Subject 64432B]

I believe Capcom/Ninja theory hoped to replace Dante and DMC. By that i mean go forward with a DMC game using DmC. Afterall DmC is using DMC as template (Gameplay, character,story).

"If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he'd get laughed out. What Devil May Crydid when it launched was it brought everything that was great about action cinema like the fashion, music -- it was like a cultural melting pot

How come DmC is using DMC as a template in story when we don't even know what the story in DmC is about?

NT's just trying to create a more realistic version of Dante under the supervision of Capcom, while Capcom is trying to get out of the *hit they got into by making DMC4.
This game will surely give them double profit cause they'll have more time to think about sequel to DMC4 + DmC will attract new fans.
Now when you think of it, DMC Dante would get laughed out anywhere not just by entering a bar, imagine a shirtless Dante walking down the street, with eye scratching white hair......but that's what makes him cool cause he's a game character (AND I THINK HE'S COOL).
DmC Dante has undershirt, has more normal hair and is somehow "dirty" which just makes him easier to adapt to.

 

[CoolDemon]

How come DmC is using DMC as a template in story when we don't even know what the story in DmC is about?

NT's just trying to create a more realistic version of Dante under the supervision of Capcom, while Capcom is trying to get out of the *hit they got into by making DMC4.
This game will surely give them double profit cause they'll have more time to think about sequel to DMC4 + DmC will attract new fans.
Now when you think of it, DMC Dante would get laughed out anywhere not just by entering a bar, imagine a shirtless Dante walking down the street, with eye scratching white hair......but that's what makes him cool cause he's a game character (AND I THINK HE'S COOL).
DmC Dante has undershirt, has more normal hair and is somehow "dirty" which just makes him easier to adapt to.

DmC is using gameplay, character and some of story elements of DMC. I haven't said or meant to say DmC is using DMC's story.

I think DmC will fail but discussing that is besides the point of this thread and certainly not a fact.So i suggest we don't go that way.

Mario isn't normal, but still even non gamers know of him. Should they make a realistic version of him so people can relate or adapt to him?

Here's a 3d realistic kinda picture of Mario/Lugi :

 

[Asmodaius]

You can't really compare Dante with Mario and Luigi. Dante is no where near the same level as those two. That said, a realistic Super Mario game sounds cool. I'd give it a try at least. ^^

The reason DmC shares some elements in gameplay, story, character design etc. with DMC is because DmC derives from DMC! They are both Devil May Cry games! They aren't two seperate titles, they are related to one another, there's a link between them - which has been my point from the very start.

It's not a direct link, as DMC1-4 has, but there definately is one.

 

[Subject 64432B]

Here's a 3d realistic kinda picture of Mario/Lugi :

Being realistic doesn't necessarily mean to look like a drug addict or even alcohol addict like in this picture.
Mario is children's character and Dante's not.
Children can adapt and relate to him.

 

[Asmodaius]

Well, Super Mario already has some realism to it, just interpreted in a more child-friendly way. E.g. if you eat mushrooms, you get high. XD

 

[CoolDemon]

Being realistic doesn't necessarily mean to look like a drug addict or even alcohol addict like in this picture.
Mario is children's character and Dante's not.
Children can adapt and relate to him.

I know, that is why i added "kinda" realistic because they look like how you describe them lol.

And Mario being a children character can be discuessed. My point is that it's stupid to change a character so that players can relate to them. And what if someone doesn't relate to the character? Are they gonna change the character again, and again...and again?
You either like a character or you don't. If you don't like the character - just walk away. And go find something that you can relate to (if that's important to you).

 

[Subject 64432B]

And what if someone doesn't relate to the character? Are they gonna change the character again, and again...and again?
You either like a character or you don't. If you don't like the character - just walk away.

They haven't forgotten about the "old" Dante and will probably continue DMC.
This is just an experiment, spicing the things up and testing how fans would react if the series went in other direction.
You can still play that HD collection, which they made to keep DMC canon hot.
Dante from DMC hasn't changed ffs.
He's still there and you will probably play couple more games with him.
If you don't like this character, then wait for the continuation of the canon and amuse yourself with HD collection until then.
In the meantime I'll enjoy this sweet candy of a game.

 

[Asmodaius]

I personally find the new Dante's look is better than the original Dante's. Never been a fan of white hair. DMC2 Dante with black hair would be the coolest look for him, in my opinion.

Also, CoolDemon, you say "if you don't like a character, then walk away"... then why don't you just walk away from this new Dante which you seem to hate so much?