Any DmC fans hyped for MGR?

[Zato-OW]

I did look at the mechanics, there are differences, but a lot of similarities because it's the same team. Bayo is pretty much P* remaking DMC with a different lead, to the point bayo was stealing lines of Dante's wholesale, have a number of his moves...AND BALDAR WAS THE EXACT SAME CHARACTER AS SANCTUS. For f**ks sake, Jeanne was Vergil with bewbs even. It's even a joke in the fandom that Jeanne and Vergil hooked up and that was Nero, as implausible for ages and timelines as it is.

Bayonetta had a collection of things from every game he created in Bayonetta. Don't single out DMC as if it was the only thing he referenced in Bayonetta. I remember back in when Bayonetta was release you were complaining hardcore about it. Saying that it outright "stole" from DMC. How can you steal from a series you created? That's like saying Capcom stole DMC from Kamiya...

 

[Agent47_89]

Calling MGS story bad yea im not arguing story with you.

The more I read your post the more inclined I am to ignore you but I wont due to not wanting to be that guy.
Im goign to explain myself. MGS's use of some over the top scenarios is not over used like it is in MGR. Those scenes are used in epic moments. Epic in senses like Transformers 1 where when things do get real its something to behold. But they arent used every moment. Raiden fighting the geckos was awesome and showed the power of new cyborg tech in the cyborg soldiers. However this scene was long and drawn out in the sense of he was putting effort into it. Then shortly after he was beaten by vamp. Then there was him struggling to hold a ship to stop snake from being crushed. Then there is grey fox stoping liquid snake from killing snake in the metal gear rex.
Those moments are used sparsely and not all the time like MGR has.

I'll only concede that MGS series may not have as many consecutive OTT scenes but it has much more than its fair share.

Raiden's strength in MGS4 wasn't consistent so none of those scenes made sense when put together. He can stop a ship but got hurt by some rubble.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

And considering this is a Platnium developed game, it will be gushed on by Kamiya's fans, even though he's not part of the game's team, yet will be considered a financial flop(like bayonetta/Okami/ect ect), and then said fans will rush to defend Plantium saying that "clearly no one gets it"...just like Bayonetta.

Meanwhile, other development companies who get the same udnerselling good game result get crucifed and mocked by angry fans who put out a campaign of hate and bile to scare potential new audience out of even looking at their games.

EDIT

Bayonetta had a collection of things from every game he created in Bayonetta. Don't single out DMC as if it was the only thing he referenced in Bayonetta. I remember back in when Bayonetta was release you were complaining hardcore about it. Saying that it outright "stole" from DMC. How can you steal from a series you created? That's like saying Capcom stole DMC from Kamiya...

Kamiya did not work on DMC2-4, yet Bayo steals HEAVILY from those, especially 4, include entire plot elements(Vigrid=Fortuna, Holy figure planning to remake world, Baldar=Santus, a God in a Statue that said holy main absorbs into to activate Creator=Savior). Also, no, I didn't "complain hardcore back during release", I was gone around the time Bayo came out.

 

[MultiBro]

I did look at the mechanics, there are differences, but a lot of similarities because it's the same team. Bayo is pretty much P* remaking DMC with a different lead, to the point bayo was stealing lines of Dante's wholesale, have a number of his moves...AND BALDAR WAS THE EXACT SAME CHARACTER AS SANCTUS. For f**ks sake, Jeanne was Vergil with bewbs even. It's even a joke in the fandom that Jeanne and Vergil hooked up and that was Nero, as implausible for ages and timelines as it is.

Bayo did refrence to DMC and it is even implied that Bayo takes place in the same universe as DMC. But "stealing" things from DMC? That is a huge stretch.

And considering this is a Platnium developed game, it will be gushed on by Kamiya's fans, even though he's not part of the game's team, yet will be considered a financial flop(like bayonetta/Okami/ect ect), and then said fans will rush to defend Plantium saying that "clearly no one gets it"...just like Bayonetta.

Meanwhile, other development companies who get the same udnerselling good game result get crucifed and mocked by angry fans who put out a campaign of hate and bile to scare potential new audience out of even looking at their games.

Honestly, you are just sounding like the "antis" you oh so hate from the other side.

And while Bayonetta wasn't a financial success, it still generated a decent amount of cash for P* and Okami wasn't a flop either since it did bring forth a sequal (which wasn't the best but decent enough).

 

[Ruisu]

Can't believe all the nonsense being said in this topic. I'll just go buy my rising and leave you guys there to hate all you want.

 

[Blacknerd]

Can't believe all the nonsense being said in this topic. I'll just go buy my rising and leave you guys there to hate all you want.

Because hate is something that people will continue to spread for everything. I dont hate MGR and im still renting it to give it a chance

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Bayo did refrence to DMC and it is even implied that Bayo takes place in the same universe as DMC. But "stealing" things from DMC? That is a huge stretch.

Considering the entire plot with Baldar and teh Laguna is pretty much page for page Sanctus and the Order...that is outright theft. no one gave a **** though because, well, it's Kamiya, and the DMC team left Capcom and joined him to make Bayo.

Honestly, you are just sounding like the "antis" you oh so hate from the other side.

Oh, no, see most "antis" won't even play the game. I played it, had been excited, and was disappointed by the hype around bayonetta, who herself is an unintentional parody of her own archtype. It's like Other M. I love the gamePLAY, but i HATE the butchering of character(or in bayos case, total lack there of)

BACK on topic. No, not hyped, not getting it, and leaving it at that.

 

[Zato-OW]

And considering this is a Platnium developed game, it will be gushed on by Kamiya's fans, even though he's not part of the game's team, yet will be considered a financial flop(like bayonetta/Okami/ect ect), and then said fans will rush to defend Plantium saying that "clearly no one gets it"...just like Bayonetta.

Meanwhile, other development companies who get the same udnerselling good game result get crucifed and mocked by angry fans who put out a campaign of hate and bile to scare potential new audience out of even looking at their games.

EDIT


Kamiya did not work on DMC2-4, yet Bayo steals HEAVILY from those, especially 4, include entire plot elements(Vigrid=Fortuna, Holy figure planning to remake world, Baldar=Santus, a God in a Statue that said holy main absorbs into to activate Creator=Savior). Also, no, I didn't "complain hardcore back during release", I was gone around the time Bayo came out.

Me and you argued about Bayonetta back then. I remember you clearly. You kept going on and on about how "bad" Bayonetta was because of the reviews it received. The plot of DMC4 and Bayonetta are only similar when it comes to the statue. The rest are very much different.

The Savior was molded by harnessing a massive amount of demonic power by Sparda and thus the project completed by Sanctus. The "Savior" could only be activated by Sparda's blood BECAUSE Sparda crafted it that way. It basically was a ON/OFF switch. The "Savior" was meant to destroy to demon realm and thus "remake the world" with NO demons, this was Sparda's plan. Sanctus was trying to complete that plan. That right there is the plot of the Savior and your saying its the same plot as Jubileus? Also how does Sanctus=Balder? Balder is the last of his kind and the "father" of Bayonetta... So your saying just because they both lead a cause means he is a direct rip of Sanctus? Fortuna is a holy city that worshiped Sparda not the Savior(the construction of the Savior was kept a secret from the civilians). The Isla Del Sol is where people gather to worship the actual god Jubileus for her to return since she is the actual creator of earth. I can keep going on here...

 

[WorkenOnMaLeft]

Yeah I was talking about the combat, but I do love Bayo, from the opening credits right through to the dance number at the end
Funny enough though, the way you feel about Bayonetta is how I feel about MG. I really tried to get into the MG universe, over several games, but it just never clicked for me. If I do pick this up I doubt i will be watching the cut scenes

hah yea I think MGS is a good series I loved 2 and think Snake Eater is one of the best games ever made in my opinion. I'l be the first to tell you, however, that while the story is good in its own right the narrative and the way its told is god awful, mostly in 2 and of course 4, and is only rivalled by the KH series in that aspect (mostly referring to the portable prequels). I mean come on theres a twist for the twist of the twist and an explanation for the explanation -___- at one point you just stop caring. God these games need better writters lol.

 

[Ruisu]

Besides, saying the "Giant Statue" plot from Bayonetta is a rip-off from DMC4 is absurd. There is this little thing called "cliches", and they tend to repeat again and again from one story to another. You cannot call a story a "rip-off" or accuse it of plagiarism just because they use the same cliches, ESPECIALLY, when you're talking about Bayonetta, since it's whole plot was just a mix of anime/games/j-culture tropes, as a tribute, gag, or whatever you call it.

It's like criticizing The Expendables of being too cliche.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

YOu really don't wann'a admit just how much the Baldar/Jubileus plot really did take from DMC4, do you?

BTW, no, I rip into bayo on the fact I OWN the game and played it through and through, not on "reviews". The gameplay is fun, the lack of character and the blatently derived plot that Kamiya claimed SO otherwise are what annoy the crap out of me. he claimed "oh, the plot and characters are SO original, totally new!" when the majority of it was very blatently DMC4. An Island Holy City with a maniacal father figure who wants to break the world down and rebuild it to their whims using a Statue form God, and is heralded by an army of "angelic" minions? gee, you know, no, DMC4 and bayo are TOTALLY nothing alike there, you're absoultely right.:troll:

 

[Zato-OW]

YOu really don't wann'a admit just how much the Baldar/Jubileus plot really did take from DMC4, do you?

BTW, no, I rip into bayo on the fact I OWN the game and played it through and through, not on "reviews". The gameplay is fun, the lack of character and the blatently derived plot that Kamiya claimed SO otherwise are what annoy the crap out of me. he claimed "oh, the plot and characters are SO original, totally new!" when the majority of it was very blatently DMC4. An Island Holy City with a maniacal father figure who wants to break the world down and rebuild it to their whims using a Statue form God, and is heralded by an army of "angelic" minions? gee, you know, no, DMC4 and bayo are TOTALLY nothing alike there, you're absoultely right.:troll:

I'm not even going to go into this. Almost nothing can really be called "original" anymore because almost everything we have seen has been done before at some time. You are saying Boyonetta is a direct rip from DMC4 and I'm showing why it isn't. The story in Bayonetta isn't even good. Its okay/decent but nothing near great. If you feel that it is a direct rip then feel that way. There are similar things there but to call it a direct rip is laughable in my opinion. Its like when people claim DMC is a direct rip from Inuyasha because of the similarities. Its so annoying having to argue against people who take similarities and claim they are stealing from something else.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

I'm not even going to go into this. Almost nothing can really be called "original" anymore because almost everything we have seen has been done before at some time. You are saying Boyonetta is a direct rip from DMC4 and I'm showing why it isn't. The story in Bayonetta isn't even good. Its okay/decent but nothing near great. If you feel that it is a direct rip then feel that way. There are similar things there but to call it a direct rip is laughable in my opinion. Its like when people claim DMC is a direct rip from Inuyasha because of the similarities. Its so annoying having to argue against people who take similarities and claim they are stealing from something else.

DMC3 and Inuyasha were close but clearly homaged similarities. Isla de Sol was a friggin theft whole sale of Fortuna with attempts to COVER the fact it was borrowed wholesale, Kamiya even tried to claim that bayo was in no way deriving it's plot from other sources...and then later admited he played over half of DMC4 for "research". What is it when you lift from something that's already lifted a majority of it's plot from something else...that was already lifting it's plot from something else...

Okay, I lost count, how many remakes from everyone other than Toriyama are we on for DBZ? There was Naruto, there was Bleach, we're on DMC4 to degrees since it borrows from Bleach heavily...

Oh, yes, and it's honestly annoying to have to point things out to people who try to argue it's not there when it is and refuse to seem them when it's right in front of them. I guess like the obvious lifting of story and design Kamiya had his team did...you're not there.

 

[nightrunner_ks]

Its good I guess. Hate the story. Its just a huge retcon of MGS4. But gameplay is solid.

MGR fans have left a bitter taste in my mouth though.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

To be honest, I can't see MGR doing any better then DmC did.

MGR seems to be the type of game that WANTS to be like DMC, but comes off as a cheap knock off. It tries to add different things and mask you into believing its not trying, but I can see past the shallow effects that it kind of does try too hard.

To me it's like Never Dead. That game tried to really copy DMC. If you look at the start screen and click start, a gunshot is heard and right after that you hear the title of the game in a demonic voice. In fact I think that's one of the games MGR reminds me of a bit.

Anyway in terms of sales, I can't see it doing that much since most hack n' slash games are at an all time low these days. The only H&S game that's got a top spot is GOW, which is just a barbaric blood splattering, sex driven eleven year old's dream game, mixed with a dungeons and dragons nerd to put in the mythology. (No offense to D&D players if any are here). Plus MGR had its fair share of hatred from the fanbase. Even if they have ground zero, it didn't make the hate go away since some of the fans will try and make MGS Ground Zero sell more then rising. That's no different then fan buying the HD collection over DmC, hell some might have even bought it two or three times just to make sure DmC was under the radar.

I've yet to see a television commercial for DmC, or MGR where I live. I've seen ads on youtube and other anime related sites along wth video game sites as well, but no TV adds. There is the ad in Japan though.

I think their are a few MGR commercials, but I don't know. I think the reason DmC didn't have much commercials was because they were using a lot of the money for combichrist to make music, and for Nosia to be added in. Plus the actors, the Avatar set, etc. I'm not surprised DmC got only one commercial out.

But for me, I'll be skipping MGR, not because I like DmC better (which I do) but because it's not anything I won't see in this bad boy of a game right here

 

[Agent47_89]

The only H&S game that's got a top spot is GOW, which is just a barbaric blood splattering, sex driven eleven year old's dream game, mixed with a dungeons and dragons nerd to put in the mythology.

Are you serious? D&D comes into your mind before Clash of the Titans, Hercules, Greek Myth, or even Conan the Barbarian?

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Are you serious? D&D comes into your mind before Clash of the Titans, Hercules, Greek Myth, or even Conan the Barbarian?

Thinking about it now, Clash of the Titans would have been more suitable.

 

[EvilX-81]

To be honest, I can't see MGR doing any better then DmC did.

MGR seems to be the type of game that WANTS to be like DMC, but comes off as a cheap knock off. It tries to add different things and mask you into believing its not trying, but I can see past the shallow effects that it kind of does try too hard.

To me it's like Never Dead. That game tried to really copy DMC. If you look at the start screen and click start, a gunshot is heard and right after that you hear the title of the game in a demonic voice. In fact I think that's one of the games MGR reminds me of a bit.

Anyway in terms of sales, I can't see it doing that much since most hack n' slash games are at an all time low these days. The only H&S game that's got a top spot is GOW, which is just a barbaric blood splattering, sex driven eleven year old's dream game, mixed with a dungeons and dragons nerd to put in the mythology. (No offense to D&D players if any are here). Plus MGR had its fair share of hatred from the fanbase. Even if they have ground zero, it didn't make the hate go away since some of the fans will try and make MGS Ground Zero sell more then rising. That's no different then fan buying the HD collection over DmC, hell some might have even bought it two or three times just to make sure DmC was under the radar.

I've yet to see a television commercial for DmC, or MGR where I live. I've seen ads on youtube and other anime related sites along wth video game sites as well, but no TV adds. There is the ad in Japan though.

I think their are a few MGR commercials, but I don't know. I think the reason DmC didn't have much commercials was because they were using a lot of the money for combichrist to make music, and for Nosia to be added in. Plus the actors, the Avatar set, etc. I'm not surprised DmC got only one commercial out.

But for me, I'll be skipping MGR, not because I like DmC better (which I do) but because it's not anything I won't see in this bad boy of a game right here

Damnit, you just reminded of a number of games that I want to get this year. Want MGR, but.... Killer is Dead this summer, GoWA around the corner, also want NUNS3 which looks like it'll be packed with content to keep me busy for a good while and the fight engine finally looks like non-sh*t this time around, also coming out with GoWA. Preordered DmC because I figured VD will make for a good amount of content altogether (hurry the **** up NT before I lose this preorder reciept!!!)

My wallet just exploded into flames in protest. MGR might have to take a seat in the back....

 

[Ether0]

Anyone with half a brain can see that Dante not having white hair is the least importen complains about the new DmC and prefering MGR because of Raidens hair is beyond stupid.


How is it irony exactly? Some of us complained about the midcutscenes in DmC because the previous ones didn't have them (DMC4 doesn't really count since Neros buster cutscenes were purely optional, except Sanctus).

Midcutscenes in a P* game is their style and usually have a purpose to them rather than random slowdowns and "Dante stops to look at something".

I was not even talking about the issues with the new DmC dude. I was talking about how DMC in general is a very different take on action games than MGR and how the two games look and feel extremely different. The white hair comment was talking about how that is where the similarities end pretty much. Has nothing to do with the issues in DmC's gameplay or plot so why don't you take that half of a brain cell and try reading for once.

 

[MultiBro]

I was not even talking about the issues with the new DmC dude. I was talking about how DMC in general is a very different take on action games than MGR and how the two games look and feel extremely different. The white hair comment was talking about how that is where the similarities end pretty much. Has nothing to do with the issues in DmC's gameplay or plot so why don't you take that half of a brain cell and try reading for once.

Sorry about that then, english isn't my first language. I still make mistakes.