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Been enjoying hearing people talk about a half decent DBZ game for a change and sounds like I will have to get it myself at some point.


I feel Xenoverse (with the 3 DLC packs) is indeed worth getting. The satisfaction of picking your favorite Race and turning them into beings with Power Levels "Over 9000!" Is fantastic. (Even if most of the Races are broken. I mean Humans are the supreme race in this game. Humans!)
Like Vampire says seeing your CAC fight alongside Son Goku, Lord Beers, and even SS4 Gogeta is orgasmic! (Yup, orgasmic!) The story is new, and plus who doesn't love being trained under Kuririn?! I'd say get it, play Online Quests and build your Saiyan character, which you've been building in your head ever since you've first laid eyes on a Great Ape or Super Saiyan or whatever! Lol
 
I recently collected all of Funimation's Blue, Orange, and Green Dragon Ball Bricks. (Alongside with the Movies and TV Specials) So I decided to watch the entire show from beginning to end. Starting with Dragon Ball and ending with Dragon Ball GT. With the Movies and TV Specials in between said episodes.
My plan is to first watch the Japanese version of a Episode, (with Steve and Clyde's Subs on) than immediately view the Uncut Funimation English dub of said episode. Now clearly, I'm more than aware of Dragon Ball's lore and characters, but I'm going to review these episodes as if I'd never seen the show before. Is Funimation's Uncut non-Kai Dub so bad? Is the Japanese dub truly brilliant like fans claim? Well before their was Super Saiya-Jins/Super Saiyans, before their was Beers-Sama/Lord Beerus, and before Trunks fudged up the Timeline, their was Son Goku and Bulma!

Dragon Ball Episode 1:
Japanese Version: --- Funimation Uncut English Dub:
1. Bulma and Son Goku --- 1. The Secret of the Dragon Balls
Son Goku - Goku

Bulma - Bulma
Pilaf-Sama - Emperor Pilaf
Nyoibou - Power Pole
Hoi Poi Capsule - Dyno Caps

So Dragon Ball starts off with the tiny monkey tailed boy Son Goku (simply Goku in the Dub), living his life in the Mountains. Miles away from the city. Despite claiming to be a human, Goku clearly has super human strength. Like Lifting tree stumps, and surviving being shot point blank with a gun!
Speaking of which, the person who shot Son Goku was Bulma! A cute blue haired girl, searching for the Seven Magical Dragon Balls. It seems these seven Dragon Balls when gathered unleashes the “lord of dragons” Shen Long! Who can grant anyone any single wish they want! Using a device called the Dragon radar, that Bulma invented, she has found one Dragon Ball so far. (Her first ball was found in her house’s storeroom. Now she has two!) Son Goku has one of these Dragon Balls, a memento of his dead Grandfather.
Bulma cons Son Goku into joining her on her quest to collect the balls by dangling adventure and fighting interesting people in front of his face. The two pair up and now with three Dragon Balls in their collection, the duo journey out to see the world and collect a dragon’s balls! Eh…I mean the Dragon Balls!
Son Goku is presented as a “Tarzon like” loner. Raised in the mountains, Goku is ignorant, not knowing what a motor bike looks like. Heck he had no idea Bulma was also human like him! (Thou I question how much of a human, Goku is…) His Grandfather told him about girls and the city, but it wasn’t unto Bulma showed up that Goku now, actually knows what these things are!
Son Goku doesn’t understand the difference between the female and male anatomy, and wonders why Bulma lacks a tail. Goku isn’t aware of Bulma using him to get her way and doesn’t seem to understand that the giant Pterodactyl (that tries to eat Bulma during the adventure) is lying upon his “friendship” relationship with Bulma. Goku has a red pole that expands and contracts depending on Goku’s needs. It’s called the Noyibou.
Bulma is presented as a blue haired “double-talker”. She tells Goku “you’ll see the world with me!” But merely wants to use the boy as a body guard. (Because of his super human strength) She is clearly intelligent, seeing as she created a device that can locate the mysterious Dragon Balls. Bulma lacks the super human strength that Goku has, opting to use typical items a human would use to defend themselves, like a gun.
The other characters introduced are Pilaf-Sama (Emperor Pilaf in the Dub) and his two minions. At this point, Pilaf is short, blue and wants to rule the world. (By using the Dragon Balls) I’m confident in saying that Pilaf is not a human like, say Bulma is. I assume?!
The world of Dragon Ball takes heavy inspiration from Chinese art, Son Goku’s house while merely a hunt in the middle of nowhere, contains lovely vases and paintings? I’m not sure. Anyway, I find myself liking the motor vehicles of the world. Bulma’s motor cycle has a nice oval shape to it that just looks great.
Overall a solid start to the franchise. Sadly the Brick sets lack a next episode preview so I can’t say what nonsense Son Goku and Bulma will get into. But I’m sure with Bulma’s snooty uptightness and Son’s Tarzon style way of life, the two will clash and bring laughs for me to enjoy! After all this whole World is one big treasure island, that’s right! Now’s the time for Adventure!
FUN FACTS:
Son Goku's first word(s) in the Japanese Version are "Hiya!" While in the Uncut Funi Dub is first words are "Hi! Just hanging around?"
Bulma said their was a rumor of someone who collected all seven Dragon Balls and “…became a king!” That was a long time ago.
Bulma’s first wish was a unlimted supply of strawberries, than it turned into wanting a cute boyfriend. In the Dub Bulma wishes for a cute boyfriend, no mention of strawberries.
The Uncut Funi Dub mentions Shu's name. The Japanese Dub did not name him. Same goes for Goku's Grandfather. His name is Gohan. Finally the English Dub, mentions that Goku was orphaned, found, and raised by Gohan. The Japanese version did not imply all of this.
Bulma gets Son Goku to join her by saying "you'll see the world and fight strong people." Plus Goku's grandfather instructed him to be nice towards girls. Goku has to be nice towards Bulma by joining her. The English Dub implies that Gohan would be proud of Goku to journey the world.
Finally in the Japanese version Son Goku defeats the Pterodactyl with seemingly no moral complications. While the Dub implies that Goku doesn't like hurting folks, but had no choice.

Let the journey continue! Bring on episode 2!!!

Japanese Version ------ Uncut Funi Dub
2. “What the…?! No Balls!” ----- 2. “The Emperor’s Quest”
Names:
Mai - Mai
Not revealed yet - Shu/Shao
Ryugadani - Skull Valley
Kame (Turtle) - Not revealed. But is clearly a turtle
Not revealed yet - Grandpa Gohan
Bulma and Son Goku continue their journey to search for the Dragon Balls and decide to camp (in a house) for the night. As Bulma baths Goku, she freaks out over Son’s tail. It’s real! Bulma than baths and when Goku offers to help (in return for her kindness) she kicks him out because he’s 14 and she is 16.
Goku doesn’t like “normal people” food so he decides to go outside and hunt for food. Pilaf sends Mai (the girl minion) and the ninja dog (name not revealed) to Ryugadani, after Mai relays a report of a possible Dragon Ball being there. Ultimately Goku, Mai and the Ninja Dog end up in this valley. Goku mistakes their plane for a big bird.
It turns out the possible Dragon Ball there is in fact a pack of wild wolfs! (Their red eyes mistaken for a Dragon Ball’s glow) Son Goku beats up some wolfs and Pilaf’s crew flee for their lives. (Goku realizes that their plane is not a bird as well) Returning home, Goku eats his cached prey (a wolf and centipede). Son wants to sleep on Bulma’s lap and she refuses, in the moaning Son attempts to lay on the sleeping Bulma’s lap.
He pats her crotch and removes her under wear. She lacks balls… Goku’s panic only lasts for a moment as he instead decides to work out! Crushing small boulders is Goku’s workout regime. He mistakes a boulder for a turtle and after feeding the sea fairer, Goku and a grudge filled Bulma decide to help the turtle find his way back to the sea.
FUN FACTS:
Bulma went from Pink clothes to biker clothes.
First usage of the word Pichi-Pichi Gal.
Bulma is freaked by Goku’s tail. And she herself is not totally aware of the male anatomy. Goku’s grandpa did not have a tail.
Goku says he is 14. Bulma is 16.
Goku thinks bread and coffee do not taste good. A wolf is more to his liking.
Mai says Son must be from the “sticks” due to his outfit.
Son says Roasted Chicken is one of his favorite foods.
Goku would sleep in his Grandpa’s lap…
Goku says he was abandoned in the mountains when he was a baby. But than “Grandpa” found him and took him in. Bulma thinks Son was abandoned because of his tail…

Goku pats Bulma’s crotch. Goku freaks over Bulma’s lack of male genitals lol.
Bulma wants Goku to call her Bulma-San because he is addressing her to formally. (I'm under the impression that the lack of "San" means said people are close.)
First appearance of “Kame.” (Turtle) He went picking for mushrooms and got lost. It’s been a year since than.
US Version FUN FACTS:
Goku doesn’t like the Dyno Caps and claims that his Grandpa told him to only use Magic if its to help someone.
In The Jap Version Bulma kicks Goku out of the bathroom for being 14, in the Dub it’s simply a matter of “Goku, I don’t want your help to bath, get out!”
First mention of Mai’s name. "Agent Mai".
Mai calls Shu, “Shao” during the valley scene.
Gohan found Goku on a “little bed of moss…”
The Opening and Ending Theme Songs:
I like the Japanese opening "Mystical Adventure" But I'd be remiss if I also didn't say I like the Funi English version more. Don't get me wrong, both versions capture the feel of the show, the epic journey for the Dragon Balls! However the Funi version has a bit more "Pop" to it! The high pitch male voice just works for me.
The same can be said for my like of the Japanese and Funi Ending themes. "I'll give you Romance." The Japanese version is a bit too 80's soft, while the Funi version is a bit more romantic? Honestly it comes down to personal taste.
 
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Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection "F" has strong US box office opening

Deadline reports that on Tuesday it brought in $1.97 million, despite only playing one showtime per night in less than 900 theaters. Wednesday brought in another $1.6 million. Theaters are reported to have sold out in major markets, and at a budget of only $5 million it's speculated that it could bring in almost $20 million domestically, in a single week.

That would follow an already accomplished run in overseas markets, grossing almost $52 million, and beating Fast & Furious 7 for the biggest opening of 2015 in Japan. A representative for FUNimation called it "a resounding victory on all levels."
 
Episode 3 of Dragon Ball:
Japanese Version:
The Turtle Hermit’s Kinto Un
FUN FACTS:
First time Bulma calls Son Goku “Son Kun”
First usage of Rock, Paper, Scissors Attack.
“Tori Bot” Says “Penguin Village…this is not.”

The First appearance of Turtle Hermit
Immortal Phoenix, died of food poisoning last year.
Kinto Un, the flying cloud.
Hermit says there is only the one Kinto Un
Kame House first appears
Three Star Ball first appears
Turtle Hermit found the Three Star Ball at the bottom of the ocean about a 100 years ago.
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US Uncut Funi Dub Version:
The Nimbus Cloud of Roshi
FUN FACTS:
Goku does not say "Rock, Paper, Scissors." But rather, “1...2...3...” Than attacks
First appearance of “Master Roshi, the Turtle Hermit” Mention is made of Roshi being a master and training.
The Immortal Phoenix becomes a Magic Carpet in the Dub.
Said carpet is at the Cleaners.
Kinto Un is called the Flying Nimbus in the Dub.
The Three Star Ball Washed up on Roshi’s island

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Episode Review:
Continuing on from episode 2, Son Goku and Bulma escort the sea turtle to the ocean. After a rumble with a giant bear, the three arrive at the ocean! The sea turtle wants to present a gift to the pair. Leaving, the turtle later returns with a old man!
The Turtle Hermit is his name, and after a failed attempt to call a immortal phoenix, the old man calls upon the Kinto Un! A flying cloud that only Son can ride, because he is pure of heart. Something the old man and Bulma lack! Bulma wants her gift too!
The old fart will only give up a gift after Bulma shows off her panties! With only a moments hesitation, Bulma flashes her bare crotch at the Turtle Hermit! (Recall that Goku removed her underwear in the last episode) The Turtle Hermit has a nose bleed and gives up his 3 Star Drgon Ball! Everybody parts ways, Goku and Bulma continue their search as the Turtle Hermit has a humorous run in with Pilaf and his gang.
Son Goku is still portrayed as a naïve, care free young boy, while Bulma continues to do whatever under handed deed needed to get the Dragon Balls. Even going as far as to flash her under garments! The Turtle Hermit is presented as...well just that! A old man with a decent house mind you, who doesn't mind asking lady ladies for a little skin! Ultimately harmless, but is clearly strong. (As seen by his ability to bust a hole in a metal plane using his walking stick!) Now with four Dragon Balls in tow, Bulma and Son-Kun continue their journey, and word has it that a Village is being tormented by someone named after Asian Tea!

Dragon Ball Episode 4:
While on the hunt for the fifth Dragon Ball, Son Goku and Bulma wind up in a village. The villagers live in terror, a shape shifting Youkai known as Oolong has kidnapped three of their young girls! But Bulma cares little for that! “Hey do ya folks have a ball that looks like this Dragon Ball?” She asks.
“I have a similar ball!” A old woman replies. By Joe it is a Dragon Ball! The Six Star Ball too!
Bulma wants it. But the old lady won’t hand it over. So Bulma thinks of a plan! “Son-Kun will beat up Oolong, save your missing girls and than the Dragon Ball is ours!” The plan is under way and Son Goku has to dress like a girl to fool Oolong! Right on time, Oolong shows up and notices Son-Kun’s Nyoibou! But not his clearly visible tail…
Anyway, Oolong thinks the disguised Goku is shaking in terror over his appearance. (Goku really just has to pee)
So Oolong changes into a handsome man. “Hey sexy! Check out my 85 size bust!” Bulma declares, memorized at Oolong’s beautiful face. Oolong can’t decide! Bulma or Son Goku?! (Which he thinks is a village girl)
Well Oolong doesn’t have to think to hard over this question, Goku blows the whole operation by peeing!
Oolong hates men and changes into a giant cow, hoping to scare Son-Kun off. It doesn’t work, so Oolong runs away. Goku chases after the giant pig, only to find a tiny pig dressed in Communist clothes!
In turns out that the little pig man is Oolong! But nobody knows this! His 5 minute transformation time limit was up and he reverted to his normal look. Goku pays no mind to this tiny pig and after a minute, Oolong changes into a giant mecha man!
“I’ll dump you into my soup kid! Beat it now or else!” Goku ain’t worried about nothing! Goku is clearly stronger than Oolong, so the transformed pig flees the scene!
Son Goku chases after him and captures him!
It’s revealed that the tree girls Oolong kidnapped live the High Life in his home! Oolong wanted a humble quiet village girl because, the three he stole in the past, are all snooty! With the girls saved, Bulma is given the Six Star Dragon Ball!
With the closing credits, sung and done, I now ponder the Next Episode!… The Lack of Episode Preview really is a downer…
So our two protagonists so far. Bulma and Son Goku, what do we know about them?
Son Goku: 14 years old
Orphaned as a child and found by a man, he calls his Grandpa. His Grandfather taught him Kung Fu and gave him general knowledge on things like people and civilization. Manly that these things exist! Other than that Son-Kun is ignorant of pretty much everything. Only fighting, and hunting come naturally to him.
That’s all we know about Son Goku! Bulma implies that perhaps Son’s tail, a odd trait to be sure is the reason his parents abandoned him! (She is cruel!) One has to wonder, is Son Goku so super human strong because of his Grandfather’s Kung Fu upbringing? What kind of Martial Arts training allows someone to survive gun fire and a Ax to the head?! Goku says he’s a human, but I question this. So that begs the question, what the hell is Son Goku?!
Bulma: 16 years old
A normal girl who wants a boyfriend. She is intelligent, evidenced by creating a handheld device that can locate these mysterious Dragon Balls. She’s conniving, using Son-Kun as a body guard. She’ll reveal her undergarments to get a Dragon Ball if need be!
So it’s safe to say she’s pretty selfish. Selfish, petty, and spoiled. She is from the city and…that’s it!
Honestly not much character for these two. A wild mountain boy, and a self indulged teen girl. No doubt their differences lead to hilarious situations but here is what I wanna know:
1. What is Son Goku? He can’t be human…Cough
2. This Grandpa of Goku’s sounds interesting. Who is this mysterious man who raised his monkey boy.
3. Any back story on Bulma.
Japanese Version: / US Uncut Funi Dub:
"Oolong, the Kidnapping Monster" / "Oolong the Terrible"
Son Goku can "sense" people / Goku can "feel" that people are there
Old village woman says her Grandma
found the Dragon Ball a long time ago / The Old village woman says the Dragon Ball has been in her family for generations
The Village girls kidnapped by Oolong are named:
Hog-Chan / Alexy
Lee / Little Flower
Hedge / Sarah
Goku was taught "Kung Fu" / Goku was taught "Karate"
Episode notes:
Oolong's first appearance: He has a 5 minute transformation limit. After this time limit, he must wait 1 minute before changing again. Oolong can transform into anything he desires within that 5 minute time period.
The Dub says Oolong went to shape shifting school. No mention of such place in the Japanese version, yet.
Oolong says Bulma is older than him. (Japanese dub only)
Bulma's bust size is 85. (Jap Dub)
First appearance of the Six Star Dragon Ball.
The Dub explains that the villagers have a Legend of a Boy who will topple a giant and ride the clouds. (The Japanese version has none of this)
 
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As well as Kid Buu/Pure Buu being the strongest version of Buu.
How the hell is that possible? Super buu fought Gotenks SSj3(who trained in Time chamber to get stronger BTW) and Goku&vegeta fused to Fight Super buu whereas Goku SS3 can solo Kid buu that alone proves Kid buu is weaker than Super buu.

Gotenks is a fusion character his base Super Saiyan form(after the training)is said to be as strong as SS3 Goku and his SS3 surpasses Goku so that means Gohan IS stronger than SS3 Goku.
Never said anything about surpassing Gohan
That's cus they're talking about giving Goku a new form not Gohan... it seems like Gohan's taking the backseat in this series.

What i'm most curious about in DB:Super is how it ties to the DBZ's finale where Goku fights uub.
 
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Defuse lol. Defuse.

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DE! FU! SHUN! HAAAAA!!!
 
WHEN BUU REVERTS BACK TO SUPER BUU WITH PICCOLO’S POWERS ABSORBED GOKU SAYS “I’M DISAPPOINT GOHAN HIMSELF COULD BEAT YOU NOW”
You gotta be kidding me Goku already knows that he is no match for Super buu as he's on par with SS3 Gotenks WHO IS 100X times stronger than SS3 Goku.

So let's recap :-
SS1 Gotenks = SS3 Goku
SS3 Gotenks > SS3 Goku
SS3 Gotenks = Super buu
Gohan > Super buu

Ergo Gohan >> SS3 Goku.

Both Gotenks&Gohan have surpassed Goku by the end of buu arc.
WHEN I PARTICIPATED IN THE MEETINGS, THERE WAS ALREADY TALK OF, “WE’D LIKE TO COMEOUT WITH A BEING SURPASSING SUPER SAIYAN 3. IT WOULD BE A SUPER SAIYAN GOD
again that's because they want goku to fight someone not Gohan that doesn't indicate gohan is weaker that just means they want to give SS3 goku a new challenge.
 
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Why would they want an enemy to be stronger than Goku just to be easily defeated by Gohan if that's the case.
The same reason why Gohan&Gotenks didn't fight Kid buu cus its GOKU TIME! you'd think Goku or Supreme kai would just use instant transmission to bring gohan to the fight right? But NOOO! Goku has to be the hero.
Why introduce a challenger made for the weaker character.
Because
Goku is the MAIN character always was and seemingly always will be which makes me consider dropping DB:Super altogether cus its just goku.. goku and more goku.. i'm sick of him! he had the entirety of Dragon ball&DBZ dedicated to him like just how far will they drag his uninteresting&bland character?
Even the DragonBallZ movie WRATH OF THE DRAGON which takes place after the Majin buu saga places SuperSaiyan 3 Goku stronger than ultimate Gohan.
Wrath of Dragon is so non-canon it hurts..
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^^ There Goku admits that he's too weak to fight Super buu(Someone who Gotenks was going toe to toe with)
so there's no doubts here..Gohan is the strongest non-fused character after the end of buu saga.


Gohan > Gotenks SS3 > Goku SS3
 
The boys and girls at Kanzenshuu are of this mind set:

Ultimate Son Gohan was the strongest Z warrior period. SS3 Gotenks and SS3 Goku were weaker than him. He was the hope that would kill Super Boo. Super Vegeto (a fused character) was stronger than Ultimate Gohan AND Gohan absorbed Super Buu. (who was treated as the strongest bad guy in Z history) Kid Boo was weaker than any form of Super Boo, thus SS2 Vegeta and SS3 Goku could tackle him. (More so Son-Kun) Than Lord Beers appeared and fudge everything up!
Ultimate Gohan, and a fused Goku and Vegeta could not beat Lord Beers. (Whether Vegeto or Gogeta is meant is unsure, but "Fusion" can't beat Beers) But SSGod Goku could rumble with Beers. Goku was still weaker however. SSGSS Son Goku is stronger than SSGod Son Goku. But unless SSGSS Vegeta teams up with Son-Kun, they can't beat Lord Beers. Together however, it is implied they could beat the God of Destruction. Whis is on a whole another level period.
Kanzenshuu has done A LOT of research into this stuff, so I'm inclined to trust their thoughts. They are not the final source on these subjects, but they are the most trustworthy and reasonable of the bunch.
 
Why do you think Gohan dropped in popularity ?
Because Akira wrote him as a wimpy loser young adult from a 90's sitcom as opposed his badass warrior version in the future.
SO THAT MEANS GOHAN WAS STRONGER CUZ HE WAS BEATING SUPER BUU!
Basically yes the same Super buu who Goku said "he's too powerful for both of us" and i'm pretty sure Goku&Vegeta broke the potara earrings right after they separated.


It is hard to believe but Gotenks SS3 is stronger than SS3Goku..
 
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Watching the anime, reading scans from the manga it makes sense because nowhere did Goku said ultimate Gohan is stronger than he himself is.
Goku would've quickly admitted that, Vegeta would've admitted that & neither did.

y.

The manga makes it pretty clear while Goku and Vegeta are in Buu that they would not be able to beat Super Buu together,

Read this chapter here
http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/508/6

There is no way Goku would have been as panicked or desperate if he was as strong as Gohan who had just slaughtered Super Buu easily earlier that day.

Just because its not stated that Gohan is more powerful than Goku at the time does not make it so, all one has to use is common sense when reading the chapters in the right context.

Like say for instance just because I don't admit a professionally trained MMA fighter can beat me up does not lend credibility to it, in fact the obvious would lean more towards the contrary.
 
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Sure i agree with you.
However when the creator himself does not imply ultimate Gohan as being the stronger than SuperSaiyan 3 Goku & constantly focusing SuperSaiyan 3 Goku being the stronger Z-fighter then it's a different matter.

As i said there was nothing in that interview saying there are stronger challengers designed towards making ultimate Gohan out to be stronger.
Even DragonBallZ movies taking place after the Majin Saga always indicates SuperSaiyan 3 Goku as the stronger Z-fighter between the two.
Gohan is third behind Vegeta with SuperSaiyan 3 Goku 1st as the strongest otherwise ultimate Gohan would be treated as such.
But he isn't, so he isn't.

If thats the case the lets just call it Akira either being contradictory because he is old and senile, or it could be that just by the time Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F takes place (which is years after Buu's defeat) that Gohan simply had gotten weaker due to him just completely stopping his training and focusing on being a career man.

Its established in those movies that Goku and Vegeta did not stop their training at all, it stands to reason that they would be stronger than Gohan by that point since Gohan was no longer training.

But its pretty darn obvious that Gohan was the strongest non fused fighter during the later events of the Majin Buu saga, otherwise Goku and Vegeta would not have had any trouble with Super Buu while inside him if Goku was indeed more powerful than gohan, its just that plan and simple.

The chapter I posted above makes it so clear that Super Buu>>>Goku and Vegeta.

And chapters before that makes it clear that Ultimate Gohaan>>>Super Buu
 
uhh I have no clue what your talking about, first you say you agree with me earlier and now your disagreeing.....whatever man, there really is not much to debate here, its obvious that Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 goku during the Majin Buu saga, if you believe otherwise than fine, agree to disagree.

I'm out.
 
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It all goes back to Gohan neglecting his training. Gohan only got powerful when he got angry. Gohan was what 9 when he went SS2. (Funi dub has his age at 11) That's a baby snapping and going on a rampage. It makes sense. But as a young teen his emotions are more refined. Plus Boo didn't kill 16 to **** him off lol. Than he got Ultimate form and grew up. He's a dad so he's busy doing what Goku failed to do. Everything! Lol (Father wise)
 
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