All about Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super

[ROCKMAN X]

Didn't Goku attempt a Potara fusion with Gohan & if Gohan was so Ultimate then wouldn't he have saved the day & the Kais not even consider Potara fusion between Goku/Gohan.

That's cus Super buu FUSED with Gotenks.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

In essence UltimateGohan was fighting a Kid SuperSaiyan 3

No Gohan was fighting the equivalent of 2 SS3 fused! Super buu's powers are equal to Gotenks's.

We've already established that Fusion Super saiyan forms are ridiculously overpowered compared to normal ones so SS3 Gotneks is WAY WAY more powerful than SS3 Goku.

Plus there's the additional element of Goku sparing Vegeta's feelings playing towards Vegeta's pride portraying the feeling of i need you Vegeta because you aren't unless in a fight.

Not really..going outside would've just resulted in Super buu pummelling Goku&vegeta like you've seen like in this filler.
But really Goku could just teleport or stall super buu until gohan gets healed.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

That's a Potara fusion not a Fusion Dance.

The only difference between a potara fusion&fusion dance is that one is permanent and other one is not.

But explain how two level 1 SuperSaiyan kids whom never reached Ascended Saiyan level even, merging from the Fusion Dance are equal to two SuperSaiyan 3s ?

That's how fusion works it multiplies the powers and also time chamber training doubled their powers.

As i said it wasn't just Gohan that Buu had absorbed at that time.

Goku was referring to "Back to normal" as in they removed everyone leaving only base super buu and he's still too strong.

THE SAME BASE BUU who fought SS3 GOTENKS who's like 1000X times stronger than SS3 Goku Geez... -_-

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

If I recall Super Boo's Ki was enhanced thanks to SS3 Gotenks. Gotenks power wasn't that far from Ultimate Gohan's Ki. Boo knew this and laid the trap. Now Gotenks Boo had more power and Piccolo's wisdom. He used this to best Gohan. Once the fusion wore off, Piccolo Boo was screwed. Even a battered Ultimate Gohan was confident he would win. That led to him getting absorbed. He and Goku got carried away.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Yet goku says to piccolo super buu , you don't plan to beat me like that do you obviously confident he could beat super buu piccolo

 

[ToCool74]

Yet goku says to piccolo super buu , you don't plan to beat me like that do you obviously confident he could beat super buu piccolo

Goku only was confident he could beat him in the anime if i'm not mistaken, in the manga goku says GOHAN could beat Piccolo Super Buu

Read here,
http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/503/10

Always go by the manga events first.

But its been a while since I seen the anime, what episode exactly did goku say he could beat Buu?

Just curious.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

He said it while gohan looked for the potaro earing and the gotenks fusion wore off so buu simply had the two boys in there base forms and piccolo aswell as his own power.

 

[ToCool74]

He said it while gohan looked for the potaro earing and the gotenks fusion wore off so buu simply had the two boys in there base forms and piccolo aswell as his own power.

No I meant which episode exactly?

I know when it happened, I've read all the chapters and wached all the episode, I want to know which episode so I can see it for myself what exactly was said, not that it matters much since as the manga chapter above I posted proves is that Goku did not say that in the original source material.

I just want to know what exactly he said in the anime out of curiousity since its been a while since I've say the anime.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

I dunno the exact number but it is the episode where goku is given back his life by elder kai qnd goes back to earth.

 

[ToCool74]

nevermind, found it on youtube here,

He said "you don't plan on beating me like that", well it does not matter dude, that was filler anyway, he never even said that in the manga.

The animation team Toei messed that up, it really can not be used in any real argument since it did not happen in the source material.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Yet goku says to piccolo super buu , you don't plan to beat me like that do you obviously confident he could beat super buu piccolo

That fight with Super buu&Goku is filler and Goku saying he can beat super buu by himself is a dubbing error!

In the original Jap version Goku says "Gohan can beat you without fusing" watch it here and skip to 16:00.. damn when the hell will they release Kai buu Saga already?

 

[ToCool74]

That fight with Super buu&Goku is filler and Goku saying he can beat super buu by himself is a dubbing error!

In the original Jap version Goku says "Gohan can beat you without fusing" watch it here and skip to 16:00.. damn when the hell will they release Kai buu Saga already?

already went over this with him, read the comments above.

I showed him what was said in the original manga by posting the chapter and let him know it was a mistake on Toei part for adding that filler and having goku say that.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I showed him what was said in the original manga by posting the chapter and let him know it was a mistake on Toei part for adding that filler and having goku say that.

Well i was talking about Anime not Manga and that line as purely a dubbing error.

Many people consider Anime to have its own "canon".

 

[ROCKMAN X]

2. Neither multiples anything that's not already there.

No Fusion MULTIPLIES your powers.. Fusion is not a simple addition like buu's absorption.

If Fusion was indeed just addtion then WHY THE BLOODY HELL is Vegito stronger than Buuhan?

Gohan + Super buu fusion should be stronger than Vegito which is a fusion of a SS3Goku&vegeta BOTH weaker than buu&Gohan!

3. No, Goku said that before he removed anyone, if Goku thought Buu would've reverted back to Fat Buu then Goku could've gone SuperSaiyan 3 & that would've been the end of it.

No he didn't! he says that after he removed everyone and when Super buu was reverted to his base form!

 

[Dante's Ghost]

I have to admit as much as I loved this series back in the day as a kid (recording all the episodes mostly Dragon Ball on VHS and collecting all the action figures---which I still have in the loft) , I find DragonBall Z Abridged hilarious these days! Purely for the fact it cuts out all the unnecessary filler and adds funny jokes!

 

[ROCKMAN X]

It provides enough power to go SuperSaiyan 3 from two level 1 SuperSaiyans.

A SS3 who is MASSIVELY powerful than SS3 Goku and unlike Goku Gotenk's body does not exhaust like Goku's.

Then why the smurf was Vegito beating the crud out of him ?

because like i said Fusion MULTIPLES it is not a simple addition like buu's absorptions.

Logicically it makes no sense if you just assume Fusion to be simple additions,the only way to make sense of Gotenks&Vegito's powers is multiplication.

And honestly Vegito going SuperSaiyan was unnecessary overkill as a SuperSaiyan power up wasn't needed.

Well that's filler in the manga Vegito goes straight to Super Saiyan af so we can't really say Vegito base form can beat up buu like that.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
As i said AKIRA TORIYAMA & Yūsuke Watanabe focused on Goku as the strongest, SuperSaiyan 3 Goku is top dog so speak to either of them about it.

I'd actually say that Goku's SS3 is a flawed transformation like the Trunk's "Ultra Saiyan" it takes way too much energy to sustain and it completely exhausts the user compared to fusions&Gohan.

and yeah technically they can just keep fusing what i don't get is why the hell don't Tien&Krillin fuse? they are arguably the 2 strongest humans.

and why don't the Z fighters open their own DOJO? they can teach other humans their abilities a make boat loads of money.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I forgot what those two Z Souls do lol. I should look into those and get back to you @VampireWicked !

So I hear the World Tour is open in Xenoverse, but its no different from Ranked Match. I'm gonna give it a try right now! I'll be back!

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

@Sparda's rejected son
lol Okay.
I finally got my friend on my team, took awhile.
That's annoying thing about online play, trying to get a friend in the same lobby.

Oh & what's a decent level to have in stamina ?
I was playing against my friend & she's spamming the vanish retreat each time i attack it was ridiculous.
I'm just wondering cause i don't want to have stamina to high & then go after the purple ai jerks & they guard break me empty my stamina to zero & i'm stuck wait for my stamina to refill & be helpless.
However i don't want to be fighting against my friend & she's spamming vanish & i'm stuck taking hits because i don't have as much stamina as she does.

So what's a decent level ?

I'd say 4 blocks of Stamina are decent. It allows quick recovery time if you lose Stamina. Use moves like Instant Transmission or After Image Strike to dodge Ultimate Attacks.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Your stats depend on your race for instance I have my health at 40 and my ki and 27 and my basic attacks and ki blast supers at 79 and the rest in the other things ,I am saiyan race which have the highest basic attacks

also the clothes I wear boosts health up 20 and also basic attacks and ki blast supers up 20 so in reality my health is 60 my ki is 47 and my ba and kbs are 99 and my other statsnare in the 20's and thirties


this makes attacks like meteor crash and basic punch and kick combos do massive damage and also makes my ki suoers do massive damage