could they have handled things better?

[Enigma]

I know, that's where I disagree. Maybe I should have phrased it better. When I said "very few people approved it", I wasn't referring to DmC itself, but rather their decision to reboot the series.

Sure, there were A TON of discussions about DmC in itself, but they were accompanied by almost an equal amount of discussions about how stupid Capcom was to make such a decision. In fact, many of the talks I had about DmC specifically, ended up touching that subject.

My personal experience with people who were not in favor of a reboot, was that they had already seen the direction DmC was headed in (and they didn't like it) therefore they didn't want the reboot. But I agree most people didn't want a reboot -- I'm just saying that many people were open to it. So the idea that DmC failed solely ''because it was a reboot'' is false. There were multiple factors that contributed to DmC's failure -- it's false to think that it was only because of the fact that it was a reboot.

 

[Foxtrot94]

So the idea that DmC failed solely ''because it was a reboot'' is false.

Not saying it's the sole reason, but I'd say it's a major factor. Most people's hate towards the game even after release came from them being negatively biased from the start for that reason.

Me personally, I watched the first trailer and I was... surprised, to say the least. I wanted to talk to people about it and so I joined tons of discussions. Months later, I almost completely dropped following its development altogether, I stopped caring, not only about DmC, but the franchise as a whole. And lots of other people, friends of mine included, did too. That's how badly this game hurt the franchise and the fanbase (even though there were other fractures before, none of em compared to this one).

The positive aspect of my drop in caring is that when I first played it on my friend's Xbox (why should have I bought it if I didn't care?) I was long cooled down so I could analize it with a clearer mind. Overall, I liked it, but I have my complaints about its quality as a Devil May Cry game, and ultimately a number of small grievances that put together, still left a "meh" taste in my mouth.

 

[Enigma]

Not saying it's the sole reason, but I'd say it's a major factor. Most people's hate towards the game even after release came from them being negatively biased from the start for that reason.

Me personally, I watched the first trailer and I was... surprised, to say the least. I wanted to talk to people about it and so I joined tons of discussions. Months later, I almost completely dropped following its development altogether, I stopped caring, not only about DmC, but the franchise as a whole. And lots of other people, friends of mine included, did too. That's how badly this game hurt the franchise and the fanbase (even though there were other fractures before, none of em compared to this one).

The positive aspect of my drop in caring is that when I first played it on my friend's Xbox (why should have I bought it if I didn't care?) I was long cooled down so I could analize it with a clearer mind. Overall, I liked it, but I have my complaints about its quality as a Devil May Cry game, and ultimately a number of small grievances that put together, still left a "meh" taste in my mouth.

I don't know, we probably don't have any evidence that it's a major factor. I personally haven't seen many people complain about the fact that it was a reboot -- if anything, on the sites I visited, it was always a minority of people who hated it because it was a reboot. Most people just didn't care for it because it didn't look particularly good gameplay-wise, and the characters and story didn't appeal to them much. In other words, almost everything that mattered was kind of 'meh' in their eyes. That was certainly the case for me... I think I'd give the original DmC a score of 6/10, no higher. Also, many people warmed up to DmC and even bought it... in the aftermath of all the hating on DmC, I think very little hate remained for the fact that it was a reboot.

 

[Foxtrot94]

I personally haven't seen many people complain about the fact that it was a reboot

Ha! Good for you! The mess those conversations were... I reply to a guy , another guy replies to my reply, I reply to the replier but in the meantime another guy replies to the same post as the previous replier... goddammit!

Ah, but that's another matter...

 

[Director Bison]

Truly unprofessional though. You don't wanna act like that when business is involved.

Ninja Theory might wanna thank him too, for sure. Thanks to him, their reputation certainly improved.

true all the drama around DmC made me want to avoid anything with Ninja theory's name on it
i debated with myself whether or not i should of got ENSLAVED i wasn't sure if i would hate it
but eventual i did and i'm glad i didn't miss out on it
so now i trust Ninja Theory more


honestly i feel bad for Ninja Theory they were just doing there jobs
it's just CAPCOM gave them a job that was almost doomed from the start

i remember hearing CAPCOM sent back early concept art of Dante and saying they wanted to be shocked and for them to make things completely different

of course when you change so much fans will react negatively to it

 

[absolitude]

so while i'm reading how DmC was a broken product, here i am saying i'm enjoying it, alot for the gameplay.. and this question comes to mind, will NT be able to pull off the gameplay alone without capcom's aid?

 

[Innsmouth]

so while i'm reading how DmC was a broken product, here i am saying i'm enjoying it, alot for the gameplay.. and this question comes to mind, will NT be able to pull off the gameplay alone without capcom's aid?

Pretty sure Hellblade will answer this.

 

[absolitude]

Pretty sure Hellblade will answer this.

eventhough it's a different genre? or are we going to view from how enjoyable the combat will be? fair enough.. but i doubt --no upgrades, no unlockables, i'm really blank about this..

 

[Innsmouth]

eventhough it's a different genre? or are we going to view from how enjoyable the combat will be? fair enough.. but i doubt --no upgrades, no unlockables, i'm really blank about this..

Well. Than it answers your question They had chance to make their own action game. We'll see if it be any good in the end

 

[AgentRedgrave]

He wasn't being a jerk. Fans were acting like little bitches, and he treated them as bitches rather than cower behind false pretenses and fallacious sincerity. Three cheers for that guy.

It's highly unprofessional is what it is.

 

[The Good Gentleman]

It's highly unprofessional is what it is.

In a world permeated with "industry professionals" like Tomonobu Itagaki and Brendan McNamara, the things he said were a kindness.

 

[Foxtrot94]

It's highly unprofessional is what it is.

Really. To me it looked like the PR for DmC was one shot in the foot right after the other.

 

[AgentRedgrave]

In a world permeated with "industry professionals" like Tomonobu Itagaki and Brendan McNamara, the things he said were a kindness.

Yeah, no. That is NOT how you behave when promoting a product. Being "Not as bad as these guys" doesn't cut it.

 

[The Good Gentleman]

Yeah, no. That is NOT how you behave when promoting a product. Being "Not as bad as these guys" doesn't cut it.

Silly rabbit. Idealism is for rabbits!

 

[Foxtrot94]

Silly rabbit. Idealism is for rabbits!

It's not about idealism, it's about knowing how to behave in order to encourage people to buy your game, instead of making people your enemies (or in this case, even MORE enemies) through douchy attitude and building a reputation of a non serious company.

I know people who are not even DMC fans, yet were baffled by how the marketing was handled.

 

[V's patron]

I'm unsure if making it a spin off would have gotten it less hate because fans were still bitter at how nero was brought in/handled so it would have suffered the same hate he did. (granted whether or not they can change people minds at the end is up in the air)

the problem with Nero is tricky to explain because it depends on how you think storytelling in franchises should progress because fans tend to focus more on building on the past and connecting the dots while creators tend to just wanna have freedom rather restrictions.

Fans wanted a resolution of some kind to DMC2 while creators rather it just never be brought up again so they brought in nero and started to phase Dante out. There was an easier way to get both but instead we got the very dull and tedious anime and 4.

DmC unfortunately continued that trend.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

He wasn't being a jerk. Fans were acting like little bitches, and he treated them as bitches rather than cower behind false pretenses and fallacious sincerity. Three cheers for that guy.

Jerk? No. But he didn't handle press well. And the terrible fanbase made it worse.

Also HAS Tameem and NT ever had the type of exposure DmC had?

DmC was a giant bag of pr nightmare and this was something new to the company. Capcom for the most part messed up. NT was just doing what they usually do.

And no, I still put complete disappointment in DMC's horrendous fanbase for being so childish. A letter to the president...cause you didn't like a game...
Really?

I've just come to not care what some raging fanboys of anything say. All I ever do is miss out on something I might actually like. I did it with Heath Ledger as Joker, I did it with DmC, and goddamit, I'm doing it for Ben Affleck as Batman, fanboy bitching be damned.

 

[Chancey289]

Oh my Godzilla, just get over yourselves people.

The game wasn't even a bomb sheesh.

 

[Director Bison]

Oh my Godzilla, just get over yourselves people.

The game wasn't even a bomb sheesh.

i not saying it was a bomb
i think DmC sold over a million that's obviously no bomb

but with all the drama (raging fanboys and bad PR alike)
it took me quite a while to get over most of my negative feeling toward DmC
and i'm a very forgiving person when it comes to games so that says allot

my point is DmC could have had allot less negativity

but its true that the negativity can not blamed on one group everyone shares some of the blame

 

[Chancey289]

i not saying it was a bomb
i think DmC sold over a million that's obviously no bomb

but with all the drama (raging fanboys and bad PR alike)
it took me quite a while to get over most of my negative feeling toward DmC
and i'm a very forgiving person when it comes to games so that says allot

my point is DmC could have had allot less negativity

but its true that the negativity can not blamed on one group everyone shares some of the blame

Of course it could have had less negativity. I'm a longtime fan of this series as well and thinks it gets way more hatred than deserved. It's not a bad game and I like it because I love Devil May Cry. Simple as that. I don't understand why that's so hard to see concerning the real stubborn fanboy perspectives.

Still, all in all, I just don't care anymore.

My main point is that it's been nearly 2 years now and people need to just. stop. I don't care how much people hate it. Move on. It's just a video game. The ones that made this whole thing worse, is the fans. This thread's is proof.