Why the Yamato is the way it is in DmC

[Bazilican]

I was talking more about design and not usage. I know they're not the same in usage considering the 2 games aren't really similar.

However I used to Hammerfist to help classify Eryx as generic "hulk hands" as you stated (minus generic) because well they're generic hulk hands.

Oh. My mistake then.

 

[OppressedWriter]

You really think between my video and that video you posted yours is a better demonstration of how bad ass Vergil? Come on man.

Mine isn't even edited and it doesn't have 1:30 seconds of cutscenes.

 

[Kam]

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so after flaming me for presenting an opinion, you're going to also present an opinion?
You can't tell me to get off the soapbox if you have to stand on my soapbox to do it, especially if your closing statement is to ask for me to get on my soapbox again and deliver another opinion.

And since you asked, my opinion remains unchanged. His moves look awkward and unpracticed, but if you move fast enough to make it difficult to make out his individual animations, it's hard to notice how awful his motion capture model was. If reboot vergil acts this way because he's so "END OF THIS" straight to the point super practical, why does he never swing his sword with both hands? Seems awfully impractical, and he most certainly isn't doing it for style.

You really think between my video and that video you posted yours is a better demonstration of how bad ass Vergil? Come on man.

First you rip into me for presenting an opinion, and then you post "come on man"? I don't even have an analogy for how hypocritical you just were because my normal analogy for this kind of double standard is this exact situation

 

[Stylish Nero]

That honestly doesn't impress me compared to the flashiness of DmC Vergil's gameplay. In fact that kind of looks like Vergil a beta of DmC Vergil. Funny actually.

Well DmC and DMC3 are 2 differently structured games.

DmC focuses on crowd control (hence no lock-on) while DMC3 focuses primarily on 1 enemy at a time (hence lock-on) so there moves and fighting styles are adjusted to such.

 

[OppressedWriter]

Well DmC and DMC3 are 2 differently structured games.

DmC focuses on crowd control (hence no lock-on) while DMC3 focuses primarily on 1 enemy at a time (hence lock-on) so there moves and fighting styles are adjusted to such.

That makes no sense at all. I do the exact same moves as your video on a single enemy, the butcher. There is no groups of enemies I'm attacking while attacking the butcher. What do I need to do the same video but on a single enemies and then magically it'll all be a fair comparison. Like I said moving goal posts.

 

[Bazilican]

You really think between my video and that video you posted yours is a better demonstration of how bad ass Vergil? Come on man.

Mine isn't even edited and it doesn't have 1:30 seconds of cutscenes.

It would have been better if there was a better player of DMC3 Vergil.

so after flaming me for presenting an opinion, you're going to also present an opinion?
You can't tell me to get off the soapbox if you have to stand on my soapbox to do it, especially if your closing statement is to ask for me to get on my soapbox again and deliver another opinion.

And since you asked, my opinion remains unchanged. His moves look awkward and unpracticed, but if you move fast enough to make it difficult to make out his individual animations, it's hard to notice how awful his motion capture model was. If reboot vergil acts this way because he's so "END OF THIS" straight to the point super practical, why does he never swing his sword with both hands? Seems awfully impractical, and he most certainly isn't doing it for style.


First you rip into me for presenting an opinion, and then you post "come on man"? I don't even have an analogy for how hypocritical you just were because my normal analogy for this kind of double standard is this exact situation

Let.It. Go. no one likes people who open old wounds.

Well DmC and DMC3 are 2 differently structured games.

DmC focuses on crowd control (hence no lock-on) while DMC3 focuses primarily on 1 enemy at a time (hence lock-on) so there moves and fighting styles are adjusted to such.

True. I forgot about that.

 

[CheeseKao]

That makes no sense at all. I do the exact same moves as your video on a single enemy, the butcher. There is no groups of enemies I'm attacking while attacking the butcher. What do I need to do the same video but on a single enemies and then magically it'll all be a fair comparison. Like I said moving goal posts.

Perhaps he was talking about the video in general?

 

[Stylish Nero]

You really think between my video and that video you posted yours is a better demonstration of how bad ass Vergil? Come on man.

Mine isn't even edited and it doesn't have 1:30 seconds of cutscenes.

 

[CheeseKao]

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If anything, DMC3 Vergil is more graceful while DmC Vergil is more destructive.

 

[OppressedWriter]

so after flaming me for presenting an opinion, you're going to also present an opinion?
His moves look awkward and unpracticed, but if you move fast enough to make it difficult to make out his individual animations, it's hard to notice how awful his motion capture model was.

Really unbiased opinion you have there.

So let me get this straight. You can't see his moves, but you're sure when you can see them they're bad looking. And then, the Gameplay isn't fast enough in DmC with dante, but now its too fast in DmC with Vergil. Christ. Listen to yourself. Basically what are you saying that New Vergil is so badass and fast that you can't seem make out how he's moving. Awesome, I also agree.

so after flaming me for presenting an opinion, you're going to also present an opinion?
If reboot vergil acts this way because he's so "END OF THIS" straight to the point super practical, why does he never swing his sword with both hands? Seems awfully impractical, and he most certainly isn't doing it for style.

It's not impractical, it's because HE DOESN"T NEED TO USE both hands. He's not an average human. I figure that when he does use both hands it will be for some dramatic event where he is raged beyond normal. Maybe a potential fight with Dante in a sequel. But against these lessor demons and most enemies, new vergil is too badass to worry about using both hands to swing his sword.

Also, stop getting so defensive, when you post an opinion as fact, expect someone to respond to counter your opinion in an equally stern manner. Secondly, that comment wasn't even directed at you it was directed at Stylish Nero.

 

[OppressedWriter]

If anything, DMC3 Vergil is more graceful while DmC Vergil is more destructive.

This is the thing. I can make him look graceful as well, its up to the player how he plays him. The problem is I keep trying to convince people who are constantly moving goal posts. Here is some footage of Vergil slowing down and being more efficient and precise with his attacks. Some of the sounds are missing for his attacks, because I had modded him into bloody palace.

Watch at 1:03 for an example

 

[Stylish Nero]

This is the thing. I can make him look graceful as well, its up to the player how he plays him. The problem is I keep trying to convince people who are constantly moving goal posts. Here is some footage of Vergil slowing down and being more efficient and precise with his attacks. Some of the sounds are missing for his attacks, because I had modded him into bloody palace.

Watch at 5:43 for an example

I can see your having DT troubles.

If you can make him graceful make him graceful or show me its possible. Practically all DmC Vergil combo vids I've seen look the same (a series of lightning fast attacks, launching multiple enemies, aerial combos, aerial flushes, and solar flare spams mixed with some Killer Bee JC).

 

[OppressedWriter]

I can see your having DT troubles.

If you can make him graceful make him graceful or show me its possible. Practically all DmC Vergil combo vids I've seen look the same (a series of lightning fast attacks, launching multiple enemies, aerial combos, aerial flushes, and solar flare spams mixed with some Killer Bee JC).

And how exactly is that different from the video's you posted?

And if honestly, that's all you see in the video I posted, I don't even believe you're watching them, and should have figured as much, there's a huge variety, but you know what I'll take the challenge, did you see me cancel killer bee or any enemies against the butcher. I mean it seems unfair that your videos are allowed to jump cancel and move as fast as the game would allow, but somehow I have to limit myself because well hes just too fast to be graceful fast. Talk about tough standards.

Like I said he's not supposed to be in Bloody Palace, unlike you, I'm actually providing proof of me playing so keep that in mind. This seems to be something I notice often all this talk about this mechanic and that mechanic but I never see footage from the people talking about how much they miss it or what they can do. I don't want truestyle videos of some players, I want you to do a video, because well you care so damn much about the certain mechanic. I think that's a fair thing to ask don't you think.

 

[Stylish Nero]

And how exactly is that different from the video's you posted?

And that's all you see in that video, there's a huge variety, but you know what I'll take the challenge, did you see me cancel killer bee or any enemies against the butcher. I mean it seems unfair that your videos are allowed to jump cancel and move as fast as the game would allow, but somehow I have to limit myself because well hes just too fast to be graceful fast. Talk about tough standards.

Like I said he's not supposed to be in Bloody Palace, unlike you, I'm actually providing proof of me playing so keep that in mind. This seems to be something I notice often all this talk about this mechanic and that mechanic but I never see footage from the people talking about how much they miss it or what they can do. I don't want truestyle videos of some players, I want you to do a video, because well you care so damn much about the certain mechanic. I think that's a fair thing to ask don't you think.

I don't have a capture card or a recording device.

 

[OppressedWriter]

I don't have a capture card or a recording device.

You don't need a capture card or recording device if you have the game on PC.

And I'd like you answer how the lighting fast attacks you see in DmC are any different from the videos you posted? all I see is storm swords and aerial rave, killer bee, and stinger spamming to isolate enemies.

 

[Stylish Nero]

You don't need a capture card or recording device if you have the game on PC.

Nope..

 

[Kam]

This is the thing. I can make him look graceful as well, its up to the player how he plays him. The problem is I keep trying to convince people who are constantly moving goal posts. Here is some footage of Vergil slowing down and being more efficient and precise with his attacks. Some of the sounds are missing for his attacks, because I had modded him into bloody palace.

Watch at 1:03 for an example

If you're comparing animation sets against each other, moving fast enough to make the bad animations hard to notice is a really poor argument. In my opinion (and the opinion of many others in this thread, it seems) new vergil's animations look awkward and terrible. Your shameless video plugs don't do much to address that, aside from demonstrate that if you zoom around fast enough, it's really hard to see your animations (thank you, 30fps cap)

 

[OppressedWriter]

Get outta here with that weak sauce argument. I can post DmC related videos, I don't understand what exactly you think I"m plugging. Am I supposed to be making money off my DmC videos? You're striking me now as just another hater. I'm not going to bother playing this frustrating game (where you ask for proof, and then when given it, accuse me of plugging videos) with you anymore. I'll just counter your points as if you don't exist, because that's the best solution for the both of us going forward.

And what 30 FPS cap are you talking about? I play on PC I don't have an fps cap, and If you're talking about Youtube video speeds than that applies to all the videos you post for all DMC games as well.

 

[Kam]

Get outta here with that weak sauce argument. I can post DmC related videos, I don't understand what exactly you think I"m plugging. Am I supposed to be making money off my DmC videos? You're just another hater. I'm not going to bother playing this stupid game with you anymore. I'll just counter your points as if you don't exist, because that's what you deserve.

And what 30 FPS cap are you talking about mr. know it all. I play on PC I don't have an fps cap, and If you're talking about Youtube video speeds than that applies to all the videos you post for all DMC games as well.

In the end it's your opinion versus the opinions of everyone else. The only difference is we don't get preachy about people posting opinions at us

 

[OppressedWriter]

In the end it's your opinion versus the opinions of everyone else. The only difference is we don't get preachy about people posting opinions at us

Ugh, really man. It doesn't have to be this way. But you should really learn to take your own advice, because you come off exactly the way you're criticizing me for coming of, preachy. You're the one accusing me of somehow plugging videos as if theres some ulterior motive, besides me trying to prove my point around DmC in a DmC fan board/website. So, don't get on me about being preachy. If you followed your own advice many of these things would have already been resolved months ago, but old fans like yourself can't seem to help yourselves, and just keep bringing up old threads. Like the one for Brea is doing DmC which was just a subtle hate thread of some player making fun of DmC. Hell, I could do something similar for DMC4, but I"m not a child, and secondly it would be a huge waste of time. Like I said, It's not worth it. I just honestly don't take some people seriously anymore, and I'm sad to say you're now among those people. Goodbye.