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CheeseKao

Lord Cheesington
Dude, it was NOT stated to be a reboot from the start.
OMG you're right! Oh wait...

In fact, with all the information we have now, DmC isn't a reboot either. It's a reimagining of the Devil May Cry franchise. FYI, a re-imagining/retelling is not the same as a reboot. They are somewhat similar but they have their differences so don't reply to me with anything along the lines of "reboot=re-imagining"

They were having a confusion as what to call it- An origin story or the alternate universe **** or the reboot of the whole franchise. I'm not gonna help you with 'evidences' that it was not the ANTI-DmC camp that caused the confusion
I never implied nor state that they did so I don't see where you're coming from. All I said was that they refuse to accept the fact that DmC was never part of the DMC universe.

On a site like YouTube, Yes. But here?No. Turn back a few pages and you'll see who's having a hard time comprehending the fact that people don't think the same way as you do.
Youtube, Gamefaqs, Sony forums, NeoGaf, Facebook. Just to name a few more. Anyway, you're asking me to compare a measly few users' posts in this forum to the tens of thousands of immature posts out there? Right. I know for a fact that there are people who dislike DmC and are able to behave reasonably but the sheer amount of "haters" who can't even be bothered to properly substantiate their claims overwhelm the number of reasonable people who dislike the game.
 

Pale Rider

Wickedly good
OMG you're right! Oh wait...

In fact, with all the information we have now, DmC isn't a reboot either. It's a reimagining of the Devil May Cry franchise. FYI, a re-imagining/retelling is not the same as a reboot. They are somewhat similar but they have their differences so don't reply to me with anything along the lines of "reboot=re-imagining".

I don't know what you're talking about but I read an article stating DmC to be a reboot. I just don't remeber where.
And about your re-imagining/retelling thing, I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not, but yes, retelling is not the same as reboot.

I never implied nor state that they did so I don't see where you're coming from. All I said was that they refuse to accept the fact that DmC was never part of the DMC universe.
Ah, I see. I misinterpreted what you were actually saying. Sorry about that.

Youtube, Gamefaqs, Sony forums, NeoGaf, Facebook. Just to name a few more. Anyway, you're asking me to compare a measly few users' posts in this forum to the tens of thousands of immature posts out there? Right. I know for a fact that there are people who dislike DmC and are able to behave reasonably but the sheer amount of "haters" who can't even be bothered to properly substantiate their claims overwhelm the number of reasonable people who dislike the game.

I am not asking you to compare. I was talkin' about the people on this particular site when I spoke of "preachings". On sites like those, moderators hardly give a **** about what you say. But here, it's different. I know because I've been warned for using foul language for Dino!!
 

CheeseKao

Lord Cheesington
I don't know what you're talking about but I read an article stating DmC to be a reboot. I just don't remeber where.
And about your re-imagining/retelling thing, I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not, but yes, retelling is not the same as reboot.
It isn't sarcasm but more of a precautionary statement. As for DmC being a retelling/re-imagining of the Devil May Cry franchise, view the videos below.
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There's also another fairly recent video with Capcom reps stating that DmC is a re-imagining/retelling but I don't remember where it's from.



Ah, I see. I misinterpreted what you were actually saying. Sorry about that.
No problem.



I am not asking you to compare. I was talkin' about the people on this particular site when I spoke of "preachings". On sites like those, moderators hardly give a **** about what you say. But here, it's different. I know because I've been warned for using foul language for Dino!!
Some forums are like that. If the mods don't want you using foul language, just don't use it. Nobody here would want this forum to turn into Capcom Unity now, wouldn't they?
 

Stylish Nero

We Dem Boys!!
I don't wanna sound brash but isn't a re-imagining/retelling ISN'T THAT WHAT A REBOOT IS.

And no don't come here with any BS saying they're different....a reboot is when the creators redo a series redo it differently like a re-imagining or retelling and as for the alternate universe....that is something that is brought up when making a reboot...like each Batman/Marvel/DC Comic movie/comic reboot the author usually refer to the new story/reboot as a separate universe from the previous series/reboots.

Why the other day I was ACTUALLY talking to my friend about the Christopher Nolan Batman/Dark Knight trilogy and he described it taking place in alternate universe....that term is a way so the creators can isolate the reboot from the rest of the series/other reboots granted its fiction. Same goes for the Amazing Spider-Man and the original Spider-Man some say they take place in an alternate universe.

If you don't believe go ahead define what a reboot is and see how it is different from a re-imagining/retelling.
 

Tiran

The great pretender.
I think the terminology was confused from the beginning.

This was always intended to be a reboot based on the themes, elements, game-play and/or characters - but not tied to - the previous four games, but using them as a foundation from which to expand and explore new concepts and possibilities with the mythos.
As far as I was concerned, it seemed pretty clear that this was always exactly what it has turned out to be, whatever anyone choose to call it. I was never under the impression that this EVER had anything chronologically to do with the previous series. Otherwise why would the early interviews even bring up the point of what will and won't be preserved in the reboot.
The fact that anyone would ever be confused as to the placement of this storyline has and still (yes, there are those who still think this is a prequel to DMC 3.) baffles me. As far as people still wanting clarification on what this is... F#cking LOOK at it!!!!! Just as Tameem said, it speaks for itself. loud and clear. You either take it for the obvious game it is or you don't. There is no confusion neither should their ever have been.
 

Stylish Nero

We Dem Boys!!
I think the terminology was confused from the beginning.This was always intended to be a reboot based on the themes and/or characters - but not tied to - the previous four games.
As far as I was concerned, it seemed pretty clear that this was always exactly what it has turned out to be, whatever anyone choose to call it. I was never under the impression that this EVER had anything chronologically to do with the previous series. Otherwise why would the early interviews even bring up the point of what will and won't be preserved in the reboot.
The fact that anyone would ever be confused as to the placement of this storyline has and still (yes, there are those who still think this is a prequel to DMC 3.) baffles me. As far as people still wanting clarification on what this is... F#cking LOOK at it!!!!! Just as Tameem said, it speaks for itself. loud and clear. You either take it for the obvious game it is or you don't. There is no confusion neither should their ever have been.

Yeah who are those 3 people in your signature?
 

CheeseKao

Lord Cheesington
I don't wanna sound brash but isn't a re-imagining/retelling ISN'T THAT WHAT A REBOOT IS.

And no don't come here with any BS saying they're different....a reboot is when the creators redo a series redo it differently like a re-imagining or retelling and as for the alternate universe....that is something that is brought up when making a reboot...like each Batman/Marvel/DC Comic movie/comic reboot the author usually refer to the new story/reboot as a separate universe from the previous series/reboots.

Why the other day I was ACTUALLY talking to my friend about the Christopher Nolan Batman/Dark Knight trilogy and he described it taking place in alternate universe....that term is a way so the creators can isolate the reboot from the rest of the series/other reboots granted its fiction. Same goes for the Amazing Spider-Man and the original Spider-Man some say they take place in an alternate universe.

If you don't believe go ahead define what a reboot is and see how it is different from a re-imagining/retelling.
"These are a few terms that get thrown around a lot but what are the specific connotative meanings behind them? Here's how I would basically break it down:

A "remake" is taking basically the exact same story and doing it again with changes. Such examples of this would include Rob Zombie's Halloween, Gus Van Sant's Psycho, and the 1995 version of Sabrina with Harrison Ford & Julia Ormond.

A "reimagining" is looser. It takes a similar premise as the original but does it in a very different way. Examples of this would include Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes, Death Race with Jason Statham, and Ronald D. Moore's Battlestar Galactica. (I'm also tempted to put the new Conan the Barbarian movie here but it doesn't quite feel the same. It's almost not a "re-" anything because it feels so unconcerned with any previous Conan productions.)

A "reboot" only comes into play when you're dealing with an ongoing series that doesn't want to acknowledge any of its previous incarnations for whatever reason. The Amazing Spider-Man, Batman Begins, & Casino Royale are the best examples I can think of for this.

There are also other, lesser levels of reboots where a movie will have some newness but also some attachment to the previous continuity, like Superman Returns. There are occasionally "agnostic" movies like TMNT (which even strategically places a crack in the ooze cannister so that we can't tell whether it's from "TCRI" or "TGRI") and Terminator Salvation (which is presumably a follow-up to Terminator 3 but might also be in some way a successor to The Sarah Connor Chronicles). People will argue about how exactly X-Men: First Class fits into the continuity of the previous X-Men movies. And then there's the very rare animal of the 2009 Star Trek movie, which is set in a new timeline but it is a new timeline specifically created from some of the characters time travelling and changing history.

Then there's the "revival," which is just a straight up continuation of the old thing but done in a way that is specifically designed to appeal to new people that never saw the old thing. The new Doctor Who falls into this category, as do the new versions of 90210, Knight Rider, & Melrose Place. (I would also count the 2002 version of The Twilight Zone, although The Twilight Zone is an anthology series so it doesn't really have a continuity to adhere to anyway. They did do a direct sequel to the old episode "It's a Good Life" called "It's Still a Good Life." But they also did remakes of the classic episodes "Eye of the Beholder" & "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street.")

How would you define these sometimes nebulous terms"~The Borgified Corpse
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?s=f3053500de0d98b701d6c7759c27c4c8&t=146941
 

Atredus

The Great Destroyer
I think it would fit him.This vergil looks exactly like gilver in terms of clothing.

Yes and no. They seem like they are trying to make this as realistic as they can, and I think in real life, you would see him with a standard Katana before the O-Katana. To me the standard Katana says "Good Afternoon sir. I shall cut you down with little effort," while the O-Katana says, "YOU WILL DIE...HORRIBLY AND VIOLENTLY"
 

Razyel

Soul Reaver
"These are a few terms that get thrown around a lot but what are the specific connotative meanings behind them? Here's how I would basically break it down:

A "remake" is taking basically the exact same story and doing it again with changes. Such examples of this would include Rob Zombie's Halloween, Gus Van Sant's Psycho, and the 1995 version of Sabrina with Harrison Ford & Julia Ormond.

A "reimagining" is looser. It takes a similar premise as the original but does it in a very different way. Examples of this would include Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes, Death Race with Jason Statham, and Ronald D. Moore's Battlestar Galactica. (I'm also tempted to put the new Conan the Barbarian movie here but it doesn't quite feel the same. It's almost not a "re-" anything because it feels so unconcerned with any previous Conan productions.)

A "reboot" only comes into play when you're dealing with an ongoing series that doesn't want to acknowledge any of its previous incarnations for whatever reason. The Amazing Spider-Man, Batman Begins, & Casino Royale are the best examples I can think of for this.

By your logic Amazing Spider-man isn't a reboot but a reimagining and Raimi's Spider-man is also a reimagining of this :
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CheeseKao

Lord Cheesington
By your logic Amazing Spider-man isn't a reboot but a reimagining and Raimi's Spider-man is also a reimagining of this :

The Amazing Spider-Man is a reboot when compared to the original Spider-Man movies but not the comics. As for Raimi's spiderman, I suppose it's a retelling of the original spider-man comics since Peter's first girl was actually Gwen, not Mary Jane.

Oh and by the way, that's a really big spoiler you posted there.
 

Razyel

Soul Reaver
The Amazing Spider-Man is a reboot when compared to the original Spider-Man movies but not the comic. As for Raimi's spiderman, I suppose it's a retelling of the original spider-man comics since Peter's first girl was actually Gwen, not Mary Jane.
That's the thing, it doesn't reboot Raimi's trilogy. It's an alternate take and doesn't owe anything to the previous movies.
btw Total Recall is a reboot.
PS. remember the web-shooters :D
 

CheeseKao

Lord Cheesington
That's the thing, it doesn't reboot Raimi's trilogy. It's an alternate take and doesn't owe anything to the previous movies.
btw Total Recall is a reboot.

In all honesty, it's rather hard to distinguish between reboots and re-imaginings but I can see how The Amazing Spider-Man may also possibly be a retelling.

PS. remember the web-shooters :D
You mean those web shooters from the cartoon that have cartridges that magically disappear and assimilate into Spidey's suit?
 
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